Post Your Scorecards

[Seamus]

I'll have to do the Ellis-Quarry fight some time. Someone told me it was perhaps Ellis' best performance ever.

[Casablanca]

Ellis didn’t have quite the repertoire that say, Ali, had, but he was very talented. He beat Quarry pretty comfortably in that fight, I felt.

[Casablanca]

George Foreman vs Axel Schulz

1: Schulz 10-9
2: Foreman 10-9
3: Schulz 10-9
4: Schulz 10-9
5: Schulz 10-9
6: Schulz 10-9
7: Schulz 10-9
8: Schulz 10-9
9: Schulz 10-9
10: Schulz 10-9
11: Foreman 10-9
12: Schulz 10-9

Total: Schulz 118-110

A big robbery. Slow George was walking onto Schulz' punches all night long. Punchstats provided some nonsense.

I scored it several years ago. A really bad decision. Schulz clearly won the fight.

Seamus, if you get the chance today/this evening to score this fight, I would love to get your score for it. I thought that this was an awful decision.

[Casablanca]

It really is a shame that I lost all of my cards on Eye on the Ring. I had probably over a hundred cards on there. I rescored Pacquiao-Horn and it came out, unintentionally, at the same final score as it had when I first saw the fight.

Manny Pacquiao vs. Jeff Horn (7-02-2017)

R1: Horn 10-9
R2: Horn 10-9
R3: Pacquaio 10-9
R4: Horn 10-9
R5: Horn 10-9
R6: Horn 10-9
R7: Pacquaio 10-9
R8: Pacquaio 10-9
R9: Pacquiao 10-9
R10: 10-10 Even
R11: Pacquaio 10-9
R12: Horn 10-9

115-114 Horn

While a controversial/highly debated result, I have scored it 115-114 for Horn both times that I have scored the fight. The 117-111 card seems wide, but I have no problem with the decision, as my card demonstrates. The kid fought a hell of a fight.

[gilgamesh]

It really is a shame that I lost all of my cards on Eye on the Ring. I had probably over a hundred cards on there. I rescored Pacquiao-Horn and it came out, unintentionally, at the same final score as it had when I first saw the fight.

Pacquiao vs. Horn (7-02-2017)

R1: Horn 10-9
R2: Horn 10-9
R3: Pacquaio 10-9
R4: Horn 10-9
R5: Horn 10-9
R6: Horn 10-9
R7: Pacquaio 10-9
R8: Pacquaio 10-9
R9: Pacquiao 10-9
R10: 10-10 Even
R11: Pacquaio 10-9
R12: Horn 10-9

115-114 Horn

While a controversial/highly debated result, I have scored it 115-114 for Horn both times that I have scored the fight. The 117-111 card seems wide, but I have no problem with the decision, as my card demonstrates. The kid fought a hell of a fight.

I think the big shame of this fight is that fans seem to remember it mostly as a "controversial" decision first and foremost, when the thing it deserves to be remembered for is being one hell of a great fight.

I remember watching it live and feeling Pacquiao had been robbed. I watched it back recently, and I thought it was a wild fight with many see saw rounds that could've went either way. It's not a robbery. Just a close fight where the hometown boy got the benefit of the doubt.

Most importantly. It's an amazing, bloody battle where you see the fighting heart and will of both of these guys on full display, and that's the thing that should stand out most in people's minds about it.

[Casablanca]

It really is a shame that I lost all of my cards on Eye on the Ring. I had probably over a hundred cards on there. I rescored Pacquiao-Horn and it came out, unintentionally, at the same final score as it had when I first saw the fight.

Pacquiao vs. Horn (7-02-2017)

R1: Horn 10-9
R2: Horn 10-9
R3: Pacquaio 10-9
R4: Horn 10-9
R5: Horn 10-9
R6: Horn 10-9
R7: Pacquaio 10-9
R8: Pacquaio 10-9
R9: Pacquiao 10-9
R10: 10-10 Even
R11: Pacquaio 10-9
R12: Horn 10-9

115-114 Horn

While a controversial/highly debated result, I have scored it 115-114 for Horn both times that I have scored the fight. The 117-111 card seems wide, but I have no problem with the decision, as my card demonstrates. The kid fought a hell of a fight.

I think the big shame of this fight is that fans seem to remember it mostly as a "controversial" decision first and foremost, when the thing it deserves to be remembered for is being one hell of a great fight.

I remember watching it live and feeling Pacquiao had been robbed. I watched it back recently, and I thought it was a wild fight with many see saw rounds that could've went either way. It's not a robbery. Just a close fight where the hometown boy got the benefit of the doubt.

Most importantly. It's an amazing, bloody battle where you see the fighting heart and will of both of these guys on full display, and that's the thing that should stand out most in people's minds about it.

It was a hell of a fight. I think that Horn deserved the decision which he received.

I enjoy seeing your cards when you post them as well, Gilgamesh.

[Casablanca]

I watched and scored Ellis' title defense of the WBA title in Stockholm, Sweden against Floyd Patterson last night. It was Ellis’ first defense of the WBA title after winning the WBA tournament and would be the last fight for Ellis before Frazier and the unification of the division in February of 1970. What a fight it was. Patterson fought a great fight for where he was at in his career. I scored it very narrowly for Elllis, but it was a really close fight. I scored it on the 10 point must system. I scored it as follows:

Jimmy Ellis vs. Floyd Patterson (9-14-68)

R1: 10-9 Ellis
R2: 10-9 Ellis
R3: 10-9 Ellis
R4: 10-9 Patterson
R5: 10-9 Patterson
R6: 10-10 Even
R7: 10-9 Patterson
R8: 10-9 Ellis
R9: 10-10 Even
R10: 10-9 Ellis
R11: 10-9 Patterson
R12: 10-9 Ellis
R13: 10-9 Ellis
R14: 10-9 Patterson
R15: 10-9 Patterson

144-143 Ellis

[Casablanca]

I just watched the fight between Jeff Horn and Terrence Crawford for the WBO welterweight title in June of 2018. ‘Bud’ Crawford was absolutely incredible.

Jeff Horn vs. Terrence Crawford (6-09-2018)

R1: 10-9 Horn
R2: 10-9 Crawford
R3: 10-9 Crawford
R4: 10-9 Crawford
R5: 10-9 Crawford
R6: 10-9 Crawford
R7: 10-9 Crawford
R8: 10-9 Crawford
R9: TKO Crawford


Crawford by TKO in the 9th round.

[Casablanca]

I scored the first fight between Sugar Ray Robinson and Gene Fullmer tonight. It was not a great fight and was fairly poorly officiated in my view. Robinson was well past his prime at this point and it is just a testament to his incredible greatness that he was Middleweight champion of the world at this stage of his career. He could still fight, but he was clearly well past his prime. Fullmer was permitted to get away with way too much rabbit punching and other dirty stuff. He took the decision unanimously, but I actually scored it narrowly for Robinson on the 10 point must system. Using the round by round scoring system of the time, it would have come out with Robinson winning on my card, as well.

Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Gene Fullmer I (1-02-1957)

R1: 10-9 Fullmer
R2: 10-9 Fullmer
R3: 10-9 Robinson
R4: 10-9 Robinson
R5: 10-9 Fullmer
R6: 10-9 Robinson
R7: 10-8 Fullmer (knockdown)
R8: 10-9 Robinson
R9: 10-9 Robinson
R10: 10-9 Robinson
R11: 10-10 Even
R12: 10-9 Robinson
R13: 10-9 Robinson
R14: 10-9 Fullmer
R15: 10-9 Robinson

144-141 Robinson

[Casablanca]

Michael Spinks vs Larry Holmes II

R1. 10-9 LH
R2. 10-9 LH
R3. 10-9 LH
R4. 10-9 LH
R5. 10-9 LH
R6. Even 10-10
R7. Even 10-10
R8. 10-9 MS
R9. 10-9 MS
R10. 10-9 MS
R11. 10-9 MS
R12. 10-9 MS
R13. 10-9 MS
R14. 10-9 LH
R15. 10-9 MS

Michael Spinks 144-143

This was a fight I never actually scored before, and so jumped to the conclusion with many others, that Holmes had been robbed. In scoring it today I came to a much different conclusion. As for the recap. Larry Holmes doesn't start off particularly sharp and he's not that accurate with his punches, but he clearly sweeps the first 5 rds because he's throwing and Spinks isn't. Spinks begins to fight back in earnest in the 6th, and the next 2 rds are very back in forth, and so I scored them even. Spinks wins 8 thru 13, by being a bit more aggressive, though some of the rds are fairly close. Holmes briefly hurts Spinks in the 14th with the best punch of the fight, BUT I did not score this a 10-8 rd on the basis, that Larry did nothing to follow up his big advantage, and Spinks was landing before and after being hurt. With the fight even on my scorecard, Spinks pulls out the 15th and the fight by a point.

After 15 rds, it was pretty apparent that Spinks couldn't hurt Holmes, but on the other hand, while the opposite could not be said, Spinks continued throwing and landing several times after being stunned.

I watched both Holmes-Spinks fights for the first time in 2023 and I also scored both for Spinks, albeit the second one very narrowly.

I have seen the whole Heavyweight unification series (which the second fight between Holmes and Spinks was part of). There were some great fights in it.

[Casablanca]

Alright, so I just rewatched the first Pacquiao-Bradley fight (on the Top Rank broadcast) and worked my tail off trying to score it again. I just took it one round at a time and watched the fight through again. I think that Bradley stole all three of the last three rounds of the fight, which ultimately got him a draw on my card. Here is what I came out with:

Manny Pacquiao vs. Timothy Bradley I (6-09-2012)

R1: 10-9 Bradley
R2: 10-9 Pacquiao
R3: 10-9 Pacquiao
R4: 10-9 Pacquiao
R5: 10-9 Bradley
R6: 10-9 Pacquiao
R7: 10-9 Pacquiao
R8: 10-9 Bradley
R9: 10-9 Pacquiao
R10: 10-9 Bradley
R11: 10-9 Bradley
R12: 10-9 Bradley

114-114 Even

[gilgamesh]

Wilfred Benitez vs Bruce Cury

This bout was scored under the Rounds system so it was a simply a case of a Round goes This fighter, That fighter or it's Even. No points. That being said. I had this round

1. Curry
2. Benitez
3. Benitez
4. Curry
5. Curry
6. Benitez
7. Benitez
8. Benitez
9. Benitez
10. Benitez

So 7 rounds to 3, but Benitez was dropped and BADLY hurt in the 4th. He could've easily been stopped right, and under the Ten Point must system it would've been a 10-7 round. He was hurt so badly in the 4th that he came out on wobbly legs still in the 5th, and was dropped again which would've made that a 10-8 round for Curry.

So under a 10 point must system it becomes a much closer 94-93 victory for Benitez, but I'd still have him winning.

As it was. He won a Split Decision.

[Casablanca]

Wilfred Benitez vs Bruce Cury

This bout was scored under the Rounds system so it was a simply a case of a Round goes This fighter, That fighter or it's Even. No points. That being said. I had this round

1. Curry
2. Benitez
3. Benitez
4. Curry
5. Curry
6. Benitez
7. Benitez
8. Benitez
9. Benitez
10. Benitez

So 7 rounds to 3, but Benitez was dropped and BADLY hurt in the 4th. He could've easily been stopped right, and under the Ten Point must system it would've been a 10-7 round. He was hurt so badly in the 4th that he came out on wobbly legs still in the 5th, and was dropped again which would've made that a 10-8 round for Curry.

So under a 10 point must system it becomes a much closer 94-93 victory for Benitez, but I'd still have him winning.

As it was. He won a Split Decision.

I will have to check out both of these fights. This was the first one in November of ‘77. They fought a rematch in February of ‘78, as well, which resulted in a Majority Decision. I haven’t seen either fight, at least in their entirety.

[gilgamesh]

The 1st one is a much better fight. Benitez was a lot more cautious of Curry in the 2nd fight, but won more comfortably.

[Casablanca]

The 1st one is a much better fight. Benitez was a lot more cautious of Curry in the 2nd fight, but won more comfortably.

I am going to have to check them out.

I am looking through my stuff. The overwhelming majority of my old cards are gone because I foolishly thought that Eye on the Ring would stay up indefinitely and they were all there. I did find the Mayweather-Guerrero card. Mayweather was a surgeon as he always was. I scored the fight as follows:

Floyd Mayweather vs. Robert Guerrero (5-04-2013)

R1: 10-9 Guerrero
R2: 10-9 Mayweather
R3: 10-9 Mayweather
R4: 10-9 Mayweather
R5: 10-9 Mayweather
R6: 10-9 Mayweather
R7: 10-9 Guerrero
R8: 10-9 Mayweather
R9: 10-9 Mayweather
R10: 10-9 Mayweather
R11: 10-9 Mayweather
R12: 10-9 Guerrero

117-111 Mayweather

[Casablanca]

Wilfred Benitez vs Bruce Cury

This bout was scored under the Rounds system so it was a simply a case of a Round goes This fighter, That fighter or it's Even. No points. That being said. I had this round

1. Curry
2. Benitez
3. Benitez
4. Curry
5. Curry
6. Benitez
7. Benitez
8. Benitez
9. Benitez
10. Benitez

So 7 rounds to 3, but Benitez was dropped and BADLY hurt in the 4th. He could've easily been stopped right, and under the Ten Point must system it would've been a 10-7 round. He was hurt so badly in the 4th that he came out on wobbly legs still in the 5th, and was dropped again which would've made that a 10-8 round for Curry.

So under a 10 point must system it becomes a much closer 94-93 victory for Benitez, but I'd still have him winning.

As it was. He won a Split Decision.

I had never seen this fight before. I just watched it and came out exhausted. I also scored it 7-3 in rounds for Benitez as he took control of the fight down the stretch despite Curry’s best efforts to get at him. It was extremely close under the 10 point must system. Frankly, Benitez was fortunate that the fight was not stopped at multiple points in both the 4th and the 5th rounds. He was headhunting beginning in the 3rd and it very, very nearly cost him the fight. On my card Benitez took all five of the remaining rounds of the fight to steal it by a point. On the 10 point must system it came out like this for me.

Wilfred Benitez vs. Bruce Curry I (11-18-1977)

R1: 10-9 Benitez
R2: 10-9 Benitez
R3: 10-9 Curry
R4: 10-7 Curry
R5: 10-8 Curry
R6: 10-9 Benitez
R7: 10-9 Benitez
R8: 10-9 Benitez
R9: 10-9 Benitez
R10: 10-9 Benitez

94-93 Benitez

[gilgamesh]

Wilfred Benitez vs Bruce Cury

This bout was scored under the Rounds system so it was a simply a case of a Round goes This fighter, That fighter or it's Even. No points. That being said. I had this round

1. Curry
2. Benitez
3. Benitez
4. Curry
5. Curry
6. Benitez
7. Benitez
8. Benitez
9. Benitez
10. Benitez

So 7 rounds to 3, but Benitez was dropped and BADLY hurt in the 4th. He could've easily been stopped right, and under the Ten Point must system it would've been a 10-7 round. He was hurt so badly in the 4th that he came out on wobbly legs still in the 5th, and was dropped again which would've made that a 10-8 round for Curry.

So under a 10 point must system it becomes a much closer 94-93 victory for Benitez, but I'd still have him winning.

As it was. He won a Split Decision.

I had never seen this fight before. I just watched it and came out exhausted. I also scored it 7-3 in rounds for Benitez as he took control of the fight down the stretch despite Curry’s best efforts to get at him. It was extremely close under the 10 point must system. Frankly, Benitez was fortunate that the fight was not stopped at multiple points in both the 4th and the 5th rounds. He was headhunting beginning in the 3rd and it very, very nearly cost him the fight. On my card Benitez took all five of the remaining rounds of the fight to steal it by a point. On the 10 point must system it came out like this for me.

Benitez vs. Curry I (11-18-1977)

R1: 10-9 Benitez
R2: 10-9 Benitez
R3: 10-9 Curry
R4: 10-7 Curry
R5: 10-8 Curry
R6: 10-9 Benitez
R7: 10-9 Benitez
R8: 10-9 Benitez
R9: 10-9 Benitez
R10: 10-9 Benitez

94-93 Benitez

Yeah nobody would've thought the referee was wrong if he had waved it off after that 2nd knockdown of Benitez in the 4th round. He was completely out on his feet. It was at least halfway through the 5th round before he began to clear his head. Benitez showed incredible heart to survive all that.

You'd never see something of that sort in the modern era. They'd stop that fight now 100% for sure with how badly Benitez was hurt, and rightly so mind you.

[Casablanca]

I love youtube. It gives me the chance to look over fights I missed back in the day. Today I checked out the first Wilfredo
Benitez - Bruce Curry fight. Here we go, not a hard fight to score, but it is scored on NY's rounds basis.

Round 1: Curry
Round 2: Benitez
Round 3: Curry
Round 4: Curry (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 5: Curry (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: Benitez
Round 7: Benitez
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Benitez
Round 10: Benitez

Total: 5-4-1 Benitez.

NY had a supplemental system in use if a judge scored a bout even. If there was a dominant round, one could use extra points, but again, I believe that they could only be employed by the judge if he scored the bout even. The 10 point must system gives one more latitude rather than a simple round basis, which hurts a fighter who had a dominant round. If a 10 point must system was employed, then I would have had Curry the winner with a score of 95-93.

I was looking back through and saw that Scartissue scored that fight awhile ago.

[Casablanca]

Gene Fullmer vs Sugar Ray Robinson I

R1.GF
R2.GF
R3.SRR
R4.SRR
R5.Even
R6.GF
R7.GF (Robinson down) extra pt for Fullmer
R8.Even
R9.SRR
R10.SRR
R11.SRR
R12.SRR
R13.GF
R14.GF
R15.SRR

A Draw 7-7.

Robinson landed the cleaner punches, but Fullmer probably inflicted more damage with his mauling style. The knockdown was more of a punch and a push. Fullmer probably deserved at least a few cautions in this one.

I just watched this fight yesterday and just saw that you had scored it already. I gave the fight narrowly to Robinson. I thought that he got the better of most of the action in each round aside from the shots in the clinch, which I recognize count, if clean, but much of what Fullmer threw was very questionable. It was close though and could have gone either way in my view.

[gilgamesh]

If you like jabbing contests this is one for you. A tactical jabbing contest all the way.

Thomas Hearns vs Virgil Hill

1: Hearns
2: Hearns *
3: Hearns
4: Hill
5: Hearns
6: Hearns
7: Hearns
8: Hill *
9: Hearns
10: Hill
11: Hearns
12: Hearns *

117-111 Hearns

The * indicates a Swing round that could've went either way.

[Casablanca]

I watched the first of the Holmes-Spinks fights again tonight because they had earlier come up in conversation here. They became two of my favorite fights after seeing them for the first time back in 2023. Prior to then, I had still never seen them. Here is how I scored their first fight tonight:

Larry Holmes vs. Michael Spinks I (9-21-1985)

R1: 10-9 Holmes
R2: 10-9 Holmes
R3: 10-9 Spinks
R4: 10-9 Spinks
R5: 10-10 Even
R6: 10-9 Spinks
R7: 10-9 Spinks
R8: 10-9 Spinks
R9: 10-9 Holmes
R10: 10-10 Even
R11: 10-9 Spinks
R12: 10-9 Spinks
R13: 10-9 Holmes
R14: 10-9 Spinks
R15: 10-9 Spinks

146-141 Spinks

When I finally watched the fights back in 2023, I scored the second fight narrowly for Spinks, as well.

[gilgamesh]

Thomas Hearns vs Iran Barkley 2

1: Hearns
2: Hearns
3: Hearns
4: Barkley 10-8 (Hearns knocked down)
5: Barkley
6: Barkley
7: Barkley
8: Hearns
9: Barkley
10: Barkley
11: Hearns
12: Barkley

115-112 Barkley

[Casablanca]

I rewatched the second Holmes-Spinks fight. What a fight! It was an incredibly close fight. I have scored it twice now and both times I scored extremely narrowly for Spinks, but it could very easily go the other way.

Larry Holmes vs. Michael Spinks II (4-19-1986)

R1: 10-9 Holmes
R2: 10-9 Holmes
R3: 10-9 Holmes
R4: 10-9 Holmes
R5: 10-10 Even
R6: 10-9 Spinks
R7: 10-10 Even
R8: 10-9 Spinks
R9: 10-9 Holmes
R10: 10-9 Spinks
R11: 10-9 Spinks
R12: 10-9 Spinks
R13: 10-9 Spinks
R14: 10-9 Holmes
R15: 10-9 Spinks

144-143 Spinks

[Seamus]

Roberto Duran v Esteban DeJesus II

1.10-8 ED Duran down from a left hook
2.10-10 Even
3.10-10 Even
4.10-9 RD
5.10-9 RD
6.10-9 RD
7.10-8 RD DeJesus down from a combination to the head punctuated by a right hand
8.10-9 RD
9.10-9 RD
10.10-9 RD
11. DeJesus goes down from a left-right to the head and takes the count. 98-92 Duran on my card at the time

First time I think I watched this fight in it's entirety since I watched it live on TV. For some reason I thought DeJesus did better, but I only gave him the 1st. I know from reading Ring at the time, he wanted to quit after the 7th but Gregorio Benitez, Wilfred's dad wouldn't let him. DeJesus wanted to box and set up Duran for more left hooks, but Roberto just kept incessant pressure on him hitting him to the body and sapping his strength

[Casablanca]

I scored the Floyd Mayweather-Zab Judah fight. Mayweather was just an absolute surgeon, as always. Judah slowed dramatically following the opening four rounds and was just whitewashed for the remainder of the fight, until Mayweather cruised in the final round. By the time of the low blow, Judah was being punished relentlessly.

Floyd Mayweather vs. Zab Judah (4-08-2006)

R1: 10-9 Judah
R2: 10-9 Mayweather
R3: 10-9 Mayweather
R4: 10-9 Judah
R5: 10-9 Mayweather
R6: 10-9 Mayweather
R7: 10-9 Mayweather
R8: 10-9 Mayweather
R9: 10-9 Mayweather
R10: 10-9 Mayweather
R11: 10-9 Mayweather
R12: 10-9 Judah

117-111 Mayweather