After his sloppy defensive performance in the first bout, Benitez looks himself again, with better accuracy and 4 and 5 punch counters to the body that take there toll on Curry. In the final analysis, Curry was robbed in the first bout, but if the second one had been 15, I think Benitez would have taken him out before the final bell.
Gilgamesh, Seamus had also scored that fight (Benitez-Curry I), as had Scartissue (whose card I already quoted above). Seamus scored it for Curry by a comfortable margin, giving Curry both of the close early rounds (1 and 3), giving round 6 to Curry and scoring both 8 and 9 even.
Scartissue also gave the fight to Curry if it been scored on the 10 point must system, but by a very narrow margin via a card a bit more similar to both of ours. He gave the two early close rounds to Curry (1 and 3), but gave Benitez the 6th and the 9th, scoring the 8th even.
R1: 10-9 Clay
R2: 10-9 Clay
R3: 10-9 Clay
R4: 10-9 Clay
R5: 10-9 Clay
R6: 10-9 Jones
R7: 10-10 Even
R8: 10-9 Clay
R9: 10-9 Jones
R10: 10-9 Clay
98-93 Clay
That is 7-2-1 on rounds, however the 1st, the 5th and the 8th could potentially be scored the other way. Jones definitely caught Clay with a vicious left hand in the first round and got in some good work after that, but I just don’t think that it overcomes the battering which Jones took over the rest of the round. From rounds 2 through 4 Clay battered Jones with combination after combination. Jones showed a lot of heart and resolve pushing through that and getting some more momentum going into the 5th. The 5th was close and could potentially be scored for Jones, but Clay hit him with more shots and I felt was more in control over the course of the round. The 8th was similar to the first in that Clay took control of the round, but took a sequence of several savage shots which definitely stung him. He controlled most of the round though. I gave the close 9th to Jones and Clay did a nice job in the 10th.
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Check out this savage Middleweight contender fight between Eduardo Lausse and Bobby Boyd from 1956. It would be 7-3 by round for Boyd. I scored it via the 10 point must system.
I have had some time off from work of late and so I have been going through a few fights. Hopefully it is fine with everyone for me to post a number of scorecards as I watch them.
Here is the second meeting of Ernie Terrell and Cleveland Williams in April of 1963. It was scored on the 5 point must system. I scored it on the 10 point must system and so aside from the nominal values, the results should be the same for each.
Ernie Terrell vs. Cleveland Williams II (4-13-1963)
R1: 10-9 Terrell
R2: 10-9 Terrell
R3: 10-10 Even
R4: 10-9 Terrell
R5: 10-9 Williams
R6: 10-9 Terrell
R7: 10-9 Williams
R8: 10-9 Williams
R9: 10-9 Williams
R10: 10-9 Terrell
96-95 Terrell
Terrell won the fight by split decision and my card came out agreeing with the result, but really the fight was so close that I completely understand a card going narrowly the other way, as well. Terrell dominated the action early with his jab and his high work rate, but Williams clawed his way back into the fight as it went on. It was incredibly close.
I just watched Ali's Heavyweight title defense (his sixth since regaining the title in the Rumble in the Jungle) against Jimmy Young from April of 1976 and scored it. After tallying it up, I came out narrowly for Ali, which is definitely consistent with my overall feelings towards the fight. It was a real good fight, but Young just didn't do quite enough. The judges do not appear to have deducted a point on their cards (using the 5 point must system) for the standing eight count given to Young after going through the ropes in round 12, so I didn't do so here either. Ali showed tremendous heart and resilience in digging down deep to claw out the majority of the rounds coming down the stretch, including the 15th, which I thought that Ali won clearly, to win the fight. I scored it using the 10 point must system.
Muhammad Ali vs. Jimmy Young (4-30-1976)
R1: 10-9 Young
R2: 10-9 Young
R3: 10-9 Young
R4: 10-9 Ali
R5: 10-9 Ali
R6: 10-9 Ali
R7: 10-9 Ali
R8: 10-9 Young
R9: 10-9 Ali
R10: 10-9 Ali
R11: 10-9 Young
R12: 10-9 Ali
R13: 10-10 Even
R14: 10-9 Young
R15: 10-9 Ali
Alright, I just finished scoring the third Ali-Norton fight. My god what a fight! I came out with Ali winning a narrow decision after tallying it all up. I wish that I still had my other cards for their other two fights. I know that I scored the first fight 115-114 with one round even for Norton. I believe that I scored the second fight 114-114 even, but I am not 100% sure on that. Here is the third fight:
Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton III (9-26-1976)
R1: 10-9 Ali
R2: 10-9 Norton
R3: 10-10 Even
R4: 10-9 Ali
R5: 10-9 Norton
R6: 10-9 Norton
R7: 10-10 Even
R8: 10-9 Norton
R9: 10-9 Ali
R10: 10-9 Ali
R11: 10-9 Ali
R12: 10-10 Even
R13: 10-9 Ali
R14: 10-10 Even
R15: 10-9 Ali
146-143 Ali
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I don't remember my round by round card, but I know I had Young beating Ali 9-6 on rounds, but only by 1 point cause the ref gave Young 2 standing 8 counts for leaning between the ropes.
goose 5 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026, 20:10
I don't remember my round by round card, but I know I had Young beating Ali 9-6 on rounds, but only by 1 point cause the ref gave Young 2 standing 8 counts for leaning between the ropes.
Hey,
I appreciate the comment.
I just watched the fight this afternoon. I think that the judge actually gave *one* standing eight count, in the 12th round. He did not give a standing eight count for either time that Young leant through the ropes in the 13th round. The judges did not appear to deduct a point for the standing eight count in the 12th round, so I didn’t either. If a point is to be deducted then it would be 144-141 on my card, for Ali, rather than 144-142, for Ali.
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2354595 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026, 19:54
Alright, I just finished scoring the third Ali-Norton fight. My god what a fight! I came out with Ali winning a narrow decision after tallying it all up. I wish that I still had my other cards for their other two fights. I know that I scored the first fight 115-114 with one round even for Norton. I believe that I scored the second fight 114-114 even, but I am not 100% sure on that. Here is the third fight:
Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton III (9-26-1976)
R1: 10-9 Ali
R2: 10-9 Norton
R3: 10-10 Even
R4: 10-9 Ali
R5: 10-9 Norton
R6: 10-9 Norton
R7: 10-10 Even
R8: 10-9 Norton
R9: 10-9 Ali
R10: 10-9 Ali
R11: 10-9 Ali
R12: 10-10 Even
R13: 10-9 Ali
R14: 10-10 Even
R15: 10-9 Ali
146-143 Ali
Interesting. I had it 10 rounds to 5 for Norton the 1st time I watched it. The most recent time I saw it much closer at 8 rounds to 7. Still for Norton though.
2354595 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026, 19:54
Alright, I just finished scoring the third Ali-Norton fight. My god what a fight! I came out with Ali winning a narrow decision after tallying it all up. I wish that I still had my other cards for their other two fights. I know that I scored the first fight 115-114 with one round even for Norton. I believe that I scored the second fight 114-114 even, but I am not 100% sure on that. Here is the third fight:
Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton III (9-26-1976)
R1: 10-9 Ali
R2: 10-9 Norton
R3: 10-10 Even
R4: 10-9 Ali
R5: 10-9 Norton
R6: 10-9 Norton
R7: 10-10 Even
R8: 10-9 Norton
R9: 10-9 Ali
R10: 10-9 Ali
R11: 10-9 Ali
R12: 10-10 Even
R13: 10-9 Ali
R14: 10-10 Even
R15: 10-9 Ali
146-143 Ali
Interesting. I had it 10 rounds to 5 for Norton the 1st time I watched it. The most recent time I saw it much closer at 8 rounds to 7. Still for Norton though.
It was a hell of a fight. I don’t know if I have ever had that many rounds even before.
scartissue wrote: ↑06 Oct 2019, 11:53
Watched a great old fight today from the '50s out of Chicago stadium. Eduardo Lausse v Bobby Boyd. Two top-ten ranked fighters in a 10 rounder, which rarely happens today. Amazingly, Illinois was utilizing the 10 point must system. So, here we go.
Actual scores were 94-93 Lausse, 95-88 Boyd and 94-91 Boyd for a split decision win for Boyd. Illinois may have adopted the 10 point must system but I do not know their criteria on scoring, because those scores make little sense to me. Regarding the fight, Lausse was your typical Argentine that we have seen through the years. strong as an ox, good jaw, clubbing puncher. Boyd was a slick boxer with a very good jab who didn't mind engaging with a sharp-shooting right hand. I felt it was tit-for-tat throughout until fatigue really got them in the last two rounds. The 9th you could really see them take the round off with a lot of mauling, but in the 10th Lausse was winning the round on my card, but Boyd flurried really well a couple of times during the round which pulled that even. If I gave that to Lausse I would have had a draw, which would also have been a good score. It was a good, hard 10 rounder.
I just watched this fight the other day. I didn’t realize that anyone had already scored it on here until now.
I just watched the George Foreman-Jimmy Young fight for the second time in my life and scored it. What a brilliant performance from Young and a phenomenal job getting through the really difficult stretches of the fight from rounds 7 through round 10, especially in round 7. After the 10th round Foreman just had nothing left in the tank whatsoever and Young made him pay the price in the closing two rounds to seal a brilliant victory.
George Foreman vs. Jimmy Young (3-17-1977)
R1: 10-9 Young
R2: 10-9 Young
R3: 10-8 Young (pt. deduction to Foreman)
R4: 10-9 Foreman
R5: 10-9 Young
R6: 10-9 Young
R7: 10-9 Foreman
R8: 10-9 Young
R9: 10-9 Foreman
R10: 10-9 Foreman
R11: 10-9 Young
R12: 10-8 Young
116-110 Young
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Just watched the Larry Holmes-Carl Williams fight for the first time. I had never seen it before. It was a great fight. I gave Williams the majority of the early rounds. He was brilliant. He just faded too much down the stretch and it ended up, after I had tallied it all up, costing him the narrowest decision on my card.
Larry Holmes vs. Carl Williams (5-20-1985)
R1: 10-9 Williams
R2: 10-9 Williams
R3: 10-9 Holmes
R4: 10-9 Williams
R5: 10-9 Williams
R6: 10-9 Holmes
R7: 10-9 Williams
R8: 10-9 Holmes
R9: 10-9 Holmes
R10: 10-10 Even
R11: 10-10 Even
R12: 10-9 Holmes
R13: 10-9 Williams
R14: 10-9 Holmes
R15: 10-9 Holmes
I know that Shavers has admitted in later years that he probably lost the fight with Ali, like on ‘Facing Ali,” but he actually pulled out a narrow victory on my card. Ali was a clear process of deterioration at this point and he pretty clearly was no longer performing at quite the level which he had been a year earlier in his fights in ‘76 (like against Young and Norton). He pulled out a gutsy final round, as he had done in the Young and Norton fights, but here, for me, on my card, it wasn’t enough. Ali just lost too many rounds and faded too considerably down the stretch that on my card, at least, he just came up a bit short.
Muhammad Ali vs. Earnie Shavers (9-29-1977)
R1: 10-9 Ali
R2: 10-9 Shavers
R3: 10-10 Even
R4: 10-9 Shavers
R5: 10-9 Ali
R6: 10-9 Shavers
R7: 10-9 Shavers
R8: 10-9 Shavers
R9 10-10 Even
R10: 10-9 Ali
R11: 10-9 Ali
R12: 10-9 Shavers
R13: 10-9 Shavers
R14: 10-9 Shavers
R15: 10-9 Ali
145-142 Shavers
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Yeah I know, and amazingly the 2nd one was a full 10 years after the 1st one. Duran was past his prime for the 1st one, he was WAYYYYY past it for the 2nd one.
I would love to get another/other scorecards for this fight. Pinklon Thomas vs. Trevor Berbick for the WBC Heavyweight Championship of the world. I had scored this fight once before and came out the same way again by a very narrow margin both times. This was a very close, competitive and brutal fight. I think that it was a good decision.
Pinklon Thomas vs. Trevor Berbick (3-22-1986)
R1: 10-9 Thomas
R2: 10-10 Even
R3: 10-9 Berbick
R4: 10-9 Berbick
R5: 10-9 Thomas
R6: 10-9 Thomas
R7: 10-9 Thomas
R8: 10-9 Berbick
R9: 10-9 Berbick
R10: 10-9 Thomas
R11: 10-9 Berbick
R12: 10-9 Berbick
I have been watching a number of Joe Louis’ fights from before he became World Champion. Here is Louis fight against former Heavyweight Champion Max Baer, scored on the 10 point must system.
Joe Louis vs. Max Baer (9-24-1935)
R1: 10-9 Louis
R2: 10-9 Louis
R3: 10-7 Louis (two knockdowns)
R4: Louis wins by Knockout
Here is how I had the first fight with Schmeling up through the knockout, again if scored on the 10 point must system.
Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling I (6-19-1936)
R1: 10-9 Louis
R2: 10-9 Louis
R3: 10-9 Schmeling
R4: 10-8 Schmeling (knockdown)
R5: 10-9 Louis
R6: 10-9 Schmeling
R7: 10-9 Louis
R8: 10-9 Louis
R9: 10-9 Schmeling
R10: 10-9 Louis
R11: 10-9 Schmeling
R12: Schmeling wins by knockout.
So, going into the twelfth round, the fight was even on my card on the 10 point must system. On a rounds basis it would be 6-5 for Louis going into the 12th.
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2354595 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026, 12:25
Alright, so I just rewatched the first Pacquiao-Bradley fight (on the Top Rank broadcast) and worked my tail off trying to score it again. I just took it one round at a time and watched the fight through again. I think that Bradley stole all three of the last three rounds of the fight, which ultimately got him a draw on my card. Here is what I came out with:
I just watched the second Pacquiao-Bradley fight for the first time. It was an extremely competitive fight early on, but Pacquiao took control of the fight as it progressed.
2354595 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026, 19:54
Alright, I just finished scoring the third Ali-Norton fight. My god what a fight! I came out with Ali winning a narrow decision after tallying it all up. I wish that I still had my other cards for their other two fights. I know that I scored the first fight 115-114 with one round even for Norton. I believe that I scored the second fight 114-114 even, but I am not 100% sure on that. Here is the third fight:
Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton III (9-26-1976)
R1: 10-9 Ali
R2: 10-9 Norton
R3: 10-10 Even
R4: 10-9 Ali
R5: 10-9 Norton
R6: 10-9 Norton
R7: 10-10 Even
R8: 10-9 Norton
R9: 10-9 Ali
R10: 10-9 Ali
R11: 10-9 Ali
R12: 10-10 Even
R13: 10-9 Ali
R14: 10-10 Even
R15: 10-9 Ali
146-143 Ali
Have not seen this in a while, but I scored it a draw. I think I gave each guy 6 rounds and had 3 even. I almost never score a round even. However, there were more close rounds in this fight that just about any fight I have ever seen. At the time, most people thought this was a very close fight that could have gone either way. 20 years later, it later morphed into a robbery.
2354595 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026, 19:54
Alright, I just finished scoring the third Ali-Norton fight. My god what a fight! I came out with Ali winning a narrow decision after tallying it all up. I wish that I still had my other cards for their other two fights. I know that I scored the first fight 115-114 with one round even for Norton. I believe that I scored the second fight 114-114 even, but I am not 100% sure on that. Here is the third fight:
Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton III (9-26-1976)
R1: 10-9 Ali
R2: 10-9 Norton
R3: 10-10 Even
R4: 10-9 Ali
R5: 10-9 Norton
R6: 10-9 Norton
R7: 10-10 Even
R8: 10-9 Norton
R9: 10-9 Ali
R10: 10-9 Ali
R11: 10-9 Ali
R12: 10-10 Even
R13: 10-9 Ali
R14: 10-10 Even
R15: 10-9 Ali
146-143 Ali
Have not seen this in a while, but I scored it a draw. I think I gave each guy 6 rounds and had 3 even. I almost never score a round even. However, there were more close rounds in this fight that just about any fight I have ever seen. At the time, most people thought this was a very close fight that could have gone either way. 20 years later, it later morphed into a robbery.
I couldn’t agree more. It was just an absolutely incredible fight.
