Floyd Mayweather jr vs The Fab Three @ 147

[Casablanca]

Dude what the f*ck ever alright

I think Leonard could beat him

Honestly much heavier thoughts running through my head this morning than anything Boxing related.

Hope that you are alright brother.

[gilgamesh]

Dude what the f*ck ever alright

I think Leonard could beat him

Honestly much heavier thoughts running through my head this morning than anything Boxing related.

Hope that you are alright brother.

I'm Golden brother.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Floyd lost 5 rounds against dlh, 4 against cotto, 5 against maidana, 4 judah, some to hatton....


He lost plentry rounds

Castillo beat him, everyone knows it

I just scored the first Castillo fight the other day. I scored it 113-113 Even. The second was lopsided in Mayweather’s favor. The Judah fight was not close. The De La Hoya fight was a bit closer, but still a clear victory for Mayweather, I think.

Judah won a lot of early rounds

Someone earlier said floyd barely lost rounds and that was objectively false

[gilgamesh]

Floyd lost 5 rounds against dlh, 4 against cotto, 5 against maidana, 4 judah, some to hatton....


He lost plentry rounds

Castillo beat him, everyone knows it

I just scored the first Castillo fight the other day. I scored it 113-113 Even. The second was lopsided in Mayweather’s favor. The Judah fight was not close. The De La Hoya fight was a bit closer, but still a clear victory for Mayweather, I think.

Judah won a lot of early rounds

Someone earlier said floyd barely lost rounds and that was objectively false

I didn't think Mayweather won the rematch with Castillo lopsided either. It was close again, Floyd won, but it was still a difficult opponent for him.

[Casablanca]

I just scored the first Castillo fight the other day. I scored it 113-113 Even. The second was lopsided in Mayweather’s favor. The Judah fight was not close. The De La Hoya fight was a bit closer, but still a clear victory for Mayweather, I think.

Judah won a lot of early rounds

Someone earlier said floyd barely lost rounds and that was objectively false

I didn't think Mayweather won the rematch with Castillo lopsided either. It was close again, Floyd won, but it was still a difficult opponent for him.

I scored it 117-111 for Mayweather.

[gilgamesh]

Judah won a lot of early rounds

Someone earlier said floyd barely lost rounds and that was objectively false

I didn't think Mayweather won the rematch with Castillo lopsided either. It was close again, Floyd won, but it was still a difficult opponent for him.

I scored it 117-111 for Mayweather.

I had it 115-113 Mayweather

The 1st bout between the 2 of them I had 115-111 Castillo

[Casablanca]

I didn't think Mayweather won the rematch with Castillo lopsided either. It was close again, Floyd won, but it was still a difficult opponent for him.

I scored it 117-111 for Mayweather.

I had it 115-113 Mayweather

I scored the first fight 113-113 Even and the second 117-111 Mayweather. My cards are on the Post your scorecards thread.

I scored the first fight 113-113 Even and the second 117-111 Mayweather. My cards are on the Post your scorecards thread.

The 1st bout between the 2 of them I had 115-111 Castillo

[Casablanca]

I scored the first fight 113-113 Even and the second 117-111 Mayweather. My cards are on the Post your scorecards thread.

[cfang]

How does the Floyd who eased past canelo do against the hagler who lost to Leonard. I can’t help thinking it’d be similar with hagler being too slow to get at Floyd like canelo was. I’d like to think though that hagler would have enough boxing iq and savvy to get at him and rough him up. Views? Consider that canelo weighed 165 in that fight

[gilgamesh]

How does the Floyd who eased past canelo do against the hagler who lost to Leonard. I can’t help thinking it’d be similar with hagler being too slow to get at Floyd like canelo was. I’d like to think though that hagler would have enough boxing iq and savvy to get at him and rough him up. Views? Consider that canelo weighed 165 in that fight

He never tried his hand at 160. Not sure if he would've with a guy like Hagler waiting for him there. Would've been an interesting challenge though.

[p4p1]

If Leonard wins and lands more punches, has he not outboxed him?

I'm talking about how he'd have to strategically approach the fight. If he's trying to play the jabbing and counter punching game with Floyd, he's gonna get the worst of it however he has the option to step inside get in Floyd's chest, and just outhustle him on the inside, Floyd wouldn't just be standing there like an idiot obviously, but he couldn't match Leonard's infighting skills.

Floyd did have an unbelievable knack for making people fight his fight though.

I don't understand, outboxing someone isn't just jabbing and countering. Leonard beating him to the punch is surely outboxing him.

I agree but that has become what outboxing someone is considered as. A lot of people would consider Duran a great fighter but would not consider he outboxes people because his style is in your face, wear you down and beat you to a pulp. But Duran had unbelievable skill on top of his tenacity to maintain that style.

I don't think Leonard would need to get on the inside to beat Floyd FWIW.

[p4p1]

Floyd lost 5 rounds against dlh, 4 against cotto, 5 against maidana, 4 judah, some to hatton....


He lost plentry rounds

Castillo beat him, everyone knows it

I just scored the first Castillo fight the other day. I scored it 113-113 Even. The second was lopsided in Mayweather’s favor. The Judah fight was not close. The De La Hoya fight was a bit closer, but still a clear victory for Mayweather, I think.

Judah won a lot of early rounds

Someone earlier said floyd barely lost rounds and that was objectively false

The judge that scored the fight 119-109 was living in another universe. Having said that, I remember the Judah fight being closish but that isn't always reflected on the cards either. Just shading a round gets you the same score as a clear round and in most cases a dominant round without a knockdown.

[Ambling Alp II]

That's a good point that is sometimes overlooked. Even a round where one guy batters the other guy all over the ring is seldom scored 10-8. It's usually 10-9, just like a close round. Therefore, sometimes fight that has a lopsided score may have more competitive than a score shows.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I just scored the first Castillo fight the other day. I scored it 113-113 Even. The second was lopsided in Mayweather’s favor. The Judah fight was not close. The De La Hoya fight was a bit closer, but still a clear victory for Mayweather, I think.

Judah won a lot of early rounds

Someone earlier said floyd barely lost rounds and that was objectively false

The judge that scored the fight 119-109 was living in another universe. Having said that, I remember the Judah fight being closish but that isn't always reflected on the cards either. Just shading a round gets you the same score as a clear round and in most cases a dominant round without a knockdown.

Also judah should have scored a knockdown the ref blew the call

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Floyd lost 5 rounds against dlh, 4 against cotto, 5 against maidana, 4 judah, some to hatton....


He lost plentry rounds

Castillo beat him, everyone knows it

I just scored the first Castillo fight the other day. I scored it 113-113 Even. The second was lopsided in Mayweather’s favor. The Judah fight was not close. The De La Hoya fight was a bit closer, but still a clear victory for Mayweather, I think.

Judah won a lot of early rounds

Someone earlier said floyd barely lost rounds and that was objectively false

- Not to mention Uncle Roger storming the Ring trying to get at Judah while fighting with Steele sparking other team members that near had a full Ring Riot until security got the spectators tamped down.

That and Steele deliberately missing Judah's KD of l'l floydy earlier. Boxing at it's best with the worst showings of it's lowbrows...

[Ambling Alp II]

You act as if Richard Steele was a crooked referee.

[gilgamesh]

So under my revised ranking system after having watched all available footage of all of these guys, and trust me it took quite a while.

This is how they rank amongst each other in terms of career achievement.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 656 points
2. Roberto Duran - 636 points
3. Ray Leonard - 606 points
4. Thomas Hearns - 551 points

[keithmoonhangover]

So under my revised ranking system after having watched all available footage of all of these guys, and trust me it took quite a while.

This is how they rank amongst each other in terms of career achievement.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 656 points
2. Roberto Duran - 636 points
3. Ray Leonard - 606 points
4. Thomas Hearns - 551 points

I'm in awe of your commitment and hard work in devising the system and scoring the boxers ..... but I don't agree with the rankings.

[elmersalsa]

So under my revised ranking system after having watched all available footage of all of these guys, and trust me it took quite a while.

This is how they rank amongst each other in terms of career achievement.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 656 points
2. Roberto Duran - 636 points
3. Ray Leonard - 606 points
4. Thomas Hearns - 551 points

I'm in awe of your commitment and hard work in devising the system and scoring the boxers ..... but I don't agree with the rankings.

I don't mind Floyd Mayweather Jr above Roberto Duran. He was a magnificent boxer. The best fighter pound per pound since 2001.

[gilgamesh]

So under my revised ranking system after having watched all available footage of all of these guys, and trust me it took quite a while.

This is how they rank amongst each other in terms of career achievement.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 656 points
2. Roberto Duran - 636 points
3. Ray Leonard - 606 points
4. Thomas Hearns - 551 points

I'm in awe of your commitment and hard work in devising the system and scoring the boxers ..... but I don't agree with the rankings.

You probably would if you watched all the fights. Either that or you'd have to change up the scoring criteria. All these guys winding up within 105 points of each other feels about right though.

I was surprised that Julio Cesar Chavez came out well ahead of all of them honestly. An opinion I wouldn't have previously agreed with, but after having watched all of his fights, I now can't see it any other way.

[keithmoonhangover]

So under my revised ranking system after having watched all available footage of all of these guys, and trust me it took quite a while.

This is how they rank amongst each other in terms of career achievement.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 656 points
2. Roberto Duran - 636 points
3. Ray Leonard - 606 points
4. Thomas Hearns - 551 points

I'm in awe of your commitment and hard work in devising the system and scoring the boxers ..... but I don't agree with the rankings.

You probably would if you watched all the fights. Either that or you'd have to change up the scoring criteria. All these guys winding up within 105 points of each other feels about right though.

I was surprised that Julio Cesar Chavez came out well ahead of all of them honestly. An opinion I wouldn't have previously agreed with, but after having watched all of his fights, I now can't see it any other way.

For me, Leonard beating Hearns is better than any win on Floyd's record, but that's just me.

I think JCC scores so highly because of the amount of wins he has against average and below average guys.

[gilgamesh]

I'm in awe of your commitment and hard work in devising the system and scoring the boxers ..... but I don't agree with the rankings.

You probably would if you watched all the fights. Either that or you'd have to change up the scoring criteria. All these guys winding up within 105 points of each other feels about right though.

I was surprised that Julio Cesar Chavez came out well ahead of all of them honestly. An opinion I wouldn't have previously agreed with, but after having watched all of his fights, I now can't see it any other way.

For me, Leonard beating Hearns is better than any win on Floyd's record, but that's just me.

I think JCC scores so highly because of the amount of wins he has against average and below average guys.

It's not just you. Leonard beating Hearns, Duran and Hagler are objectively better than any wins on Mayweather's record in part due to the excitement of the bouts themselves along with the level of competition, Mayweather has some big wins, but usually the fights themselves were nothing to write home about. As I've stated if we were making a list simply based on their absolute biggest wins, then Leonard would indeed rank atop of all those guys, but I take everything into account. The Big Fights, The Winning Fights, The Losing Fights, The Little fights that nobody remembers. All of it.

Chavez scores highly in part due to the sheer volume of his work yes, but he's also consistent as all hell, and does objectively have a pretty f*cking high standard of competition in his own right that he doesn't really get proper credit for. Aside from the 20 or so Top 10 guys he fought, he fought at least 10 or 20 more Top 15-Top 25ish kinda guys that weren't just completely hopeless in there, and he did better in those fights than other guys of his ilk did. Chavez is about as consistent as they come for the longest, it isn't until his later years that he becomes noticeably less effective, but even then he's still a problem in most fights for most opponents.

[Ambling Alp II]

Way too credit for wins over top25 ish guys.
One win over Hearns or Hagler is a more important than 20 wins over guys like this. You are giving credit for beating guys that Leonard could not have possibly lost to. you can always find a guy that can't possibly lose to unless there some horrible officiating. Some great fighters fight a ton of these kinds of fights. Some don't bother.

You also should not give as much credit for beating a Hall of Famer like Arturo Gatti or Ricky Hatton as you do beating someone like Marvin Hagler. not all Hall of Famers are equal. Or often remotely equal.

Not all wins over someone in the top 10 are remotely equal.

You should get as much credit for a WBS title defense over a stiff as you do if against a great fighter.

Quality > Quantity.

[gilgamesh]

Way too credit for wins over top25 ish guys.
One win over Hearns or Hagler is a more important than 20 wins over guys like this. You are giving credit for beating guys that Leonard could not have possibly lost to. you can always find a guy that can't possibly lose to unless there some horrible officiating. Some great fighters fight a ton of these kinds of fights. Some don't bother.

You also should not give as much credit for beating a Hall of Famer like Arturo Gatti or Ricky Hatton as you do beating someone like Marvin Hagler. not all Hall of Famers are equal. Or often remotely equal.

Not all wins over someone in the top 10 are remotely equal.

You should get as much credit for a WBS title defense over a stiff as you do if against a great fighter.

Quality > Quantity.

I don't give as much credit for beating Gatti as I do for beating Hagler. Beating Hagler is beating an All Time great fighter. Beating Gatti is beating a Very good fighter.

Leonard's wins over Hearns, Duran and Hagler get more points individually than anybody else on the lists wins except for Duran's win over Leonard and Hearns' win over Duran.

Leonard is the only man on the list with 3 All Time Great wins.

Comparable Quality certainly cannot be ignored.

[p4p1]

Way too credit for wins over top25 ish guys.
One win over Hearns or Hagler is a more important than 20 wins over guys like this. You are giving credit for beating guys that Leonard could not have possibly lost to. you can always find a guy that can't possibly lose to unless there some horrible officiating. Some great fighters fight a ton of these kinds of fights. Some don't bother.

You also should not give as much credit for beating a Hall of Famer like Arturo Gatti or Ricky Hatton as you do beating someone like Marvin Hagler. not all Hall of Famers are equal. Or often remotely equal.

Not all wins over someone in the top 10 are remotely equal.

You should get as much credit for a WBS title defense over a stiff as you do if against a great fighter.

Quality > Quantity.

All the points you are making Gil as well as his post directly above me has also spoken about in his original post and explained how he takes those wins into account.
His system does award quality but it also awards activity and consistency. It is an interesting system because it doesn't just take the biggest wins but it rewards fighters for being active and taking on good to very good fighters more often. I am sure I have seen you lament about fighters only fight once or twice a year. You are being presented with a system that goes someway to rewarding fighters for activity and essentially punishing them for lack of it.
His system gives 100 points for an ATG win and 50 points for a A Great win over a Great Fighter in a Championship Bout
A fringe contender in a standard action fight with a alphabet title on the line gets 10 points. That is a massive difference.