Buster Douglas vs Joe Louis

[Nile4000]

15/Hwy, who wins?

[goose 5]

Douglas stops Louis.

[scorpio83]

Louis would not give Douglas space by jabbing more and landing counter left-right combos over Douglas' jab and stopping him in 8 rounds.

[gilgamesh]

Competitive bout early Douglas has the size and skill to give Louis problems, and possibly hurt him or drop him at points in the bout.

Louis' body shots, and the pace he'd set would eventually be too much for Buster to keep up with, and he's going to gas out as the fight goes on, and get stopped late in the bout by one of the all time greatest finishers in the sport.

[elmersalsa]

If it's the Buster Douglas that whupped the great Mike Tyson, there's no way in hell that Joe Louis wins.

Douglas would be bigger, stronger, and faster. Louis's chin is the problem for me.

Douglas by knockout in six.

[keithmoonhangover]

Louis was always in great shape and Douglas lost to David Bey Mike White and Jesse Ferguson. If they can beat him, Joe Louis certainly can. Louise by stoppage or Douglas pulling himself out.

[tiny_acres]

Louis was always in great shape and Douglas lost to David Bey Mike White and Jesse Ferguson. If they can beat him, Joe Louis certainly can. Louise by stoppage or Douglas pulling himself out.

X2.
The Douglas from the Tyson fight would last until the late rounds and make it a fun fight.But no way does Louis lose this fight

[gilgamesh]

If it's the Buster Douglas that whupped the great Mike Tyson, there's no way in hell that Joe Louis wins.

Douglas would be bigger, stronger, and faster. Louis's chin is the problem for me.

Douglas by knockout in six.

It could be the Douglas that lost to Tony Tucker or the Douglas that beat Tyson, and the only difference is gonna be what round Louis knocks him out in.

Louis is better than Buster Douglas.

[scorpio83]

I don't know why you guys think the Tokyo Buster Douglas who upset Mike Tyson in that one fight would beat the prime Brown Bomber who defended his World Heavyweight title 25 times. Yes, Douglas was better than certain challengers or former or future champions, but his fight with Mike Tyson was not enough as Louis would overwhelm him with greater jabs to his face and slipping through his punches to set up his left hooks and right hands to knock Douglas out in the late rounds.

[gilgamesh]

I don't know why you guys think the Tokyo Buster Douglas who upset Mike Tyson in that one fight would beat the prime Brown Bomber who defended his World Heavyweight title 25 times. Yes, Douglas was better than certain challengers or former or future champions, but his fight with Mike Tyson was not enough as Louis would overwhelm him with greater jabs to his face and slipping through his punches to set up his left hooks and right hands to knock Douglas out in the late rounds.

People also forget to take into account that this was a Mike Tyson who had really half assed his preparation by all reports, so as good as Douglas looked, it probably wasn't the best Mike Tyson.

Joe Louis was a Pro's Pro, he wouldn't have half assed his preparation for any challenger.

[scorpio83]

I don't know why you guys think the Tokyo Buster Douglas who upset Mike Tyson in that one fight would beat the prime Brown Bomber who defended his World Heavyweight title 25 times. Yes, Douglas was better than certain challengers or former or future champions, but his fight with Mike Tyson was not enough as Louis would overwhelm him with greater jabs to his face and slipping through his punches to set up his left hooks and right hands to knock Douglas out in the late rounds.

People also forget to take into account that this was a Mike Tyson who had really half assed his preparation by all reports, so as good as Douglas looked, it probably wasn't the best Mike Tyson.

Joe Louis was a Pro's Pro, he wouldn't have half assed his preparation for any challenger.

I strongly agreed. Louis at his prime would never trained less against any challenger even an underdog ones as well unlike Tyson. Louis is a class way above Douglas and greater than him. The only Joe Louis version that Tokyo Douglas would beat was the comeback, but past prime version of Joe Louis who fought Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano. Yes, the Tyson that Douglas beat wasn't the best version of Tyson who didn't prepare for this fight thinking it was a walk in a park which was not.

[witherspoon]

I strongly agreed. Louis at his prime would never trained less against any challenger even an underdog ones as well unlike Tyson. Louis is a class way above Douglas and greater than him. The only Joe Louis version that Tokyo Douglas would beat was the comeback, but past prime version of Joe Louis who fought Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano. Yes, the Tyson that Douglas beat wasn't the best version of Tyson who didn't prepare for this fight thinking it was a walk in a park which was not.

Let's not forget, also, that Mike came within a second of winning the fight in round 8, despite half assed training.. I don't buy the long count conspiracy, Buster was fully aware of the count, but he was in no hurry to get up and he waited for the referee to reach 9 before he even tried to raise himself. It wouldn't have taken much for that to go wrong.

I'm not sure exactly what my point is, somewhere between Tokyo Buster is not as great as the performance would suggest and Tokyo Mike is slightly more formidable. But I'm sure I'm not picking Buster over Joe Louis.

[elmersalsa]

I would pick Buster Douglas over Joe Louis. If that's the Douglas that fought magnificently in Tokyo, Japan.

[Les Norton]

Louis had 25 defences of the heavyweight title and went 69-3 despite fighting past his prime.
Buster was a hell of a talent but was lazy and didn’t mind quitting. He was amazing against a “underdone”Tyson, but that isn’t Busters fault or problem.
But it was just one night and it was just one fight. Douglas had opportunities to look good but never showed up.
He faded and pretty much quit against Tucker, and then had no intention of getting up against Holyfield.
Unlike Buster, Joe Louis had more than one great night - he was a great heavyweight champion and a top 5 off all time.
I’ll take Louis by KO inside 6

[elmersalsa]

Louis had 25 defences of the heavyweight title and went 69-3 despite fighting past his prime.
Buster was a hell of a talent but was lazy and didn’t mind quitting. He was amazing against a “underdone”Tyson, but that isn’t Busters fault or problem.
But it was just one night and it was just one fight. Douglas had opportunities to look good but never showed up.
He faded and pretty much quit against Tucker, and then had no intention of getting up against Holyfield.
Unlike Buster, Joe Louis had more than one great night - he was a great heavyweight champion and a top 5 off all time.
I’ll take Louis by KO inside 6

Good take, Les, but, in the reality of the situation, the great Joe Louis, as great as he was, he never faced someone as skillfully talented who was bigger, stronger, and faster like Buster Douglas.

I would pick Douglas of the Tokyo fight against many of the great heavyweights of all-time. That left jab was quick and powerful. He had great ring generalship that night.

In any other night besides the Tokyo fight, I would pick Louis.

[keithmoonhangover]

Louis had 25 defences of the heavyweight title and went 69-3 despite fighting past his prime.
Buster was a hell of a talent but was lazy and didn’t mind quitting. He was amazing against a “underdone”Tyson, but that isn’t Busters fault or problem.
But it was just one night and it was just one fight. Douglas had opportunities to look good but never showed up.
He faded and pretty much quit against Tucker, and then had no intention of getting up against Holyfield.
Unlike Buster, Joe Louis had more than one great night - he was a great heavyweight champion and a top 5 off all time.
I’ll take Louis by KO inside 6

Good take, Les, but, in the reality of the situation, the great Joe Louis, as great as he was, he never faced someone as skillfully talented who was bigger, stronger, and faster like Buster Douglas.

I would pick Douglas of the Tokyo fight against many of the great heavyweights of all-time. That left jab was quick and powerful. He had great ring generalship that night.

In any other night besides the Tokyo fight, I would pick Louis.

And Douglas never fought anyone as good as Joe Louis. What's your point?

[Seamus]

It might sound a bit cliche by now, but Tokyo Buster KO's any version of Louis. And if it'll make you all feel better, Louis probably KO's that fat slob who showed up to fight Holyfield.

[witherspoon]

It might sound a bit cliche by now, but Tokyo Buster KO's any version of Louis. And if it'll make you all feel better, Louis probably KO's that fat slob who showed up to fight Holyfield.

Yeah maybe he does, but Louis turned up for 7 years and turned back a couple of dozen challengers, getting off the deck to beat several.

Douglas was great on 11/2/90, he had to get off the deck too, to his credit.

7 years trumps 30 minutes for me. You can argue quality of opposition in those 7 years but I'd counter with modern training and nutrition.

[elmersalsa]

Louis had 25 defences of the heavyweight title and went 69-3 despite fighting past his prime.
Buster was a hell of a talent but was lazy and didn’t mind quitting. He was amazing against a “underdone”Tyson, but that isn’t Busters fault or problem.
But it was just one night and it was just one fight. Douglas had opportunities to look good but never showed up.
He faded and pretty much quit against Tucker, and then had no intention of getting up against Holyfield.
Unlike Buster, Joe Louis had more than one great night - he was a great heavyweight champion and a top 5 off all time.
I’ll take Louis by KO inside 6

Good take, Les, but, in the reality of the situation, the great Joe Louis, as great as he was, he never faced someone as skillfully talented who was bigger, stronger, and faster like Buster Douglas.

I would pick Douglas of the Tokyo fight against many of the great heavyweights of all-time. That left jab was quick and powerful. He had great ring generalship that night.

In any other night besides the Tokyo fight, I would pick Louis.

And Douglas never fought anyone as good as Joe Louis. What's your point?

He whupped Iron Mike Tyson in Tyson's prime. Another one that would have kicked Joe Louis's ass in 60 seconds.

[keithmoonhangover]

Good take, Les, but, in the reality of the situation, the great Joe Louis, as great as he was, he never faced someone as skillfully talented who was bigger, stronger, and faster like Buster Douglas.

I would pick Douglas of the Tokyo fight against many of the great heavyweights of all-time. That left jab was quick and powerful. He had great ring generalship that night.

In any other night besides the Tokyo fight, I would pick Louis.

And Douglas never fought anyone as good as Joe Louis. What's your point?

He whupped Iron Mike Tyson in Tyson's prime. Another one that would have kicked Joe Louis's ass in 60 seconds.

You don't believe that elmer.

[gilgamesh]

And Douglas never fought anyone as good as Joe Louis. What's your point?

He whupped Iron Mike Tyson in Tyson's prime. Another one that would have kicked Joe Louis's ass in 60 seconds.

You don't believe that elmer.

If he does, he's simply a fool.

[gilgamesh]

It might sound a bit cliche by now, but Tokyo Buster KO's any version of Louis. And if it'll make you all feel better, Louis probably KO's that fat slob who showed up to fight Holyfield.

Yeah maybe he does, but Louis turned up for 7 years and turned back a couple of dozen challengers, getting off the deck to beat several.

Douglas was great on 11/2/90, he had to get off the deck too, to his credit.

7 years trumps 30 minutes for me. You can argue quality of opposition in those 7 years but I'd counter with modern training and nutrition.

Perfectly worded sir.

[elmersalsa]

He whupped Iron Mike Tyson in Tyson's prime. Another one that would have kicked Joe Louis's ass in 60 seconds.

You don't believe that elmer.

If he does, he's simply a fool.

Why the name calling, gilgamesh? I don't like that at all. Show some respect.

[gilgamesh]

You don't believe that elmer.

If he does, he's simply a fool.

Why the name calling, gilgamesh? I don't like that at all. Show some respect.

If you think Joe Louis is a bum that would be easily beaten by Buster Douglas, at bare minimal you're under a severe delusion how about that?

Joe Louis wasn't a bum brother. His skills weren't primitive. His combination punching and accuracy is matched by very few Heavyweights throughout the sports history. Suggesting that he'd be blown out by Douglas as if he's just some scrub is absurd.

You talking about me show some respect? You need to put some respect on the name of Joe Louis.

[scorpio83]

If he does, he's simply a fool.

Why the name calling, gilgamesh? I don't like that at all. Show some respect.

If you think Joe Louis is a bum that would be easily beaten by Buster Douglas, at bare minimal you're under a severe delusion how about that?

Joe Louis wasn't a bum brother. His skills weren't primitive. His combination punching and accuracy is matched by very few Heavyweights throughout the sports history. Suggesting that he'd be blown out by Douglas as if he's just some scrub is absurd.

You talking about me show some respect? You need to put some respect on the name of Joe Louis.

I agreed Gilgamesh, even though Elmer made his unpopular opinion of Tokyo Douglas beating a prime Louis, his opinion is laughable and I think Elmer doesn't respect Louis and his accomplishments because of the talents, challengers and champions during that period were different from the generational talent of Tyson and Douglas. Yes, Elmer either should show some respect on the name of Joe Louis or he could leave this subject and make his opinion on another subject.