Fight Films Lost To History

[Boxingnut]

Is there film of Tyrone Everett vs Alfredo Escalera?

[Woller]

Yes, certainly.

[funso banjo baby]

There are vital seconds of the end of Johnson v Burns that are lost....but thats a different issue cos the fuzz apparently stopped the filming? Or did they? Anyway the slaughter certainly went on a bit longer.

Is zale's loss to graziano missing ? That's the lower weight fight I'd love to see more than any other

[gilgamesh]

There are vital seconds of the end of Johnson v Burns that are lost.

Is zale's loss to graziano missing ?

Both of the first 2 Zale-Graziano bouts are as far as I know.

[klompton]

There are vital seconds of the end of Johnson v Burns that are lost....but thats a different issue cos the fuzz apparently stopped the filming? Or did they? Anyway the slaughter certainly went on a bit longer.

Is zale's loss to graziano missing ? That's the lower weight fight I'd love to see more than any other

We are missing the last four rounds of Johnson-Burns, not just the last few seconds.

There is a home movie of Zale-Graziano 2.

[funso banjo baby]

There are vital seconds of the end of Johnson v Burns that are lost....but thats a different issue cos the fuzz apparently stopped the filming? Or did they? Anyway the slaughter certainly went on a bit longer.

Is zale's loss to graziano missing ? That's the lower weight fight I'd love to see more than any other

We are missing the last four rounds of Johnson-Burns, not just the last few seconds.

There is a home movie of Zale-Graziano 2.

There are rounds missing, but I always thought the footage of the 14th round was accurate? Is this not the case?

[klompton]

There are vital seconds of the end of Johnson v Burns that are lost....but thats a different issue cos the fuzz apparently stopped the filming? Or did they? Anyway the slaughter certainly went on a bit longer.

Is zale's loss to graziano missing ? That's the lower weight fight I'd love to see more than any other

We are missing the last four rounds of Johnson-Burns, not just the last few seconds.

There is a home movie of Zale-Graziano 2.

There are rounds missing, but I always thought the footage of the 14th round was accurate? Is this not the case?

No its not. Thats a myth created by Jim Jacobs. He never had the 14th round of that fight. All he ever had was rounds 5-10. When he showed it on TV he edited it to make it look like the film was stopped and then created that story that the police stopped it to prevent audiences from seeing Johnson knock out Burns. That never happened. The film was shown in its entirety all over the world including the knockout. Its easy to find contemporary articles that prove this. It was never stopped by police. The round that Jacobs showed pretending to be the point at which the police supposedly stopped the fight was actually from the 7th round and despite the freeze frame seemingly showing Burns in mid fall he continues to stay upright in the unedited version and makes it through the end of the round.

[pound per pound]

Emler Ray vs Ezzard Chalres. The radio Broadcast exists, the fight film doesn't anymore. Or does it? Ray is one of the best heavyweight never to be filmed.

[klompton]

Emler Ray vs Ezzard Chalres. The radio Broadcast exists, the fight film doesn't anymore. Or does it? Ray is one of the best heavyweight never to be filmed.

Not all fights broadcast on radio were filmed.

[Cap]

From the [Sydney] Sunday Sun published December 27, 1908. "...The last round, the fourteenth, was one of the gamest. Burns fought away from Johnson, who saw a chance to get in. When he did so, he made no mistake. His right went right over Burns' left and to the jaw. Burns went down for eight seconds, and as he was getting up Superintendent Mitchell stepped in and stopped further proceedings. Needless to say, the referee's decision was in favour of Johnson." Every other Australian paper of the day reported the same thing. The fight was stopped by police and the referee awarded the decision to Johnson. One paper reported that Johnson was wearing thick bands over his knuckles.

Cap

[klompton]

From the [Sydney] Sunday Sun published December 27, 1908. "...The last round, the fourteenth, was one of the gamest. Burns fought away from Johnson, who saw a chance to get in. When he did so, he made no mistake. His right went right over Burns' left and to the jaw. Burns went down for eight seconds, and as he was getting up Superintendent Mitchell stepped in and stopped further proceedings. Needless to say, the referee's decision was in favour of Johnson." Every other Australian paper of the day reported the same thing. The fight was stopped by police and the referee awarded the decision to Johnson. One paper reported that Johnson was wearing thick bands over his knuckles.

Cap

The police stopped the fight. They didnt stop the filming of the fight. Thats the point in saying that the final seconds of the film werent missing from the theatrical release and the story today that the film was NEVER complete is a myth.

[Caractacus]

what about 'lost" radio broadcasts of big fights ?
which ones were broadcast
but never put on to cylinder wax, vinyl ( or tape-recorded while live)
I know several of Ron Lyle's early fights in the 1970's were
live on local Denver radio.
KHOW-AM Ron Lyle vrs Manuel Ramos (October-9-1971)

[pound per pound]

From the [Sydney] Sunday Sun published December 27, 1908. "...The last round, the fourteenth, was one of the gamest. Burns fought away from Johnson, who saw a chance to get in. When he did so, he made no mistake. His right went right over Burns' left and to the jaw. Burns went down for eight seconds, and as he was getting up Superintendent Mitchell stepped in and stopped further proceedings. Needless to say, the referee's decision was in favour of Johnson." Every other Australian paper of the day reported the same thing. The fight was stopped by police and the referee awarded the decision to Johnson. One paper reported that Johnson was wearing thick bands over his knuckles.

Cap

Wow, put me in the camp of where was the film of the ending? I'd like to see the ending, not an edited version of one which has the wrong round shown out of sequence. Maybe it exists is Australia?

The poster Klompton has passed. RIP. Whether you were a fan him or not he was an authority on fights films. Does anyone have his list of fights in his massive collection?

[klompton]

From the [Sydney] Sunday Sun published December 27, 1908. "...The last round, the fourteenth, was one of the gamest. Burns fought away from Johnson, who saw a chance to get in. When he did so, he made no mistake. His right went right over Burns' left and to the jaw. Burns went down for eight seconds, and as he was getting up Superintendent Mitchell stepped in and stopped further proceedings. Needless to say, the referee's decision was in favour of Johnson." Every other Australian paper of the day reported the same thing. The fight was stopped by police and the referee awarded the decision to Johnson. One paper reported that Johnson was wearing thick bands over his knuckles.

Cap

Wow, put me in the camp of where was the film of the ending? I'd like to see the ending, not an edited version of one which has the wrong round shown out of sequence. Maybe it exists is Australia?

The poster Klompton has passed. RIP. Whether you were a fan him or not he was an authority on fights films. Does anyone have his list of fights in his massive collection?

LOL

[pound per pound]

From the [Sydney] Sunday Sun published December 27, 1908. "...The last round, the fourteenth, was one of the gamest. Burns fought away from Johnson, who saw a chance to get in. When he did so, he made no mistake. His right went right over Burns' left and to the jaw. Burns went down for eight seconds, and as he was getting up Superintendent Mitchell stepped in and stopped further proceedings. Needless to say, the referee's decision was in favour of Johnson." Every other Australian paper of the day reported the same thing. The fight was stopped by police and the referee awarded the decision to Johnson. One paper reported that Johnson was wearing thick bands over his knuckles.

Cap

Wow, put me in the camp of where was the film of the ending? I'd like to see the ending, not an edited version of one which has the wrong round shown out of sequence. Maybe it exists is Australia?

The poster Klompton has passed. RIP. Whether you were a fan him or not he was an authority on fights films. Does anyone have his list of fights in his massive collection?

LOL

Wow, you disappeared here. Not long ago your last post was Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:18 pm. That's over six months ago, I heard you passed. Doesn't look like you did, unless someone else is using your account : )

Welcome back Steve. I look forward to learning more about Gerb,

[klompton]

Wow, put me in the camp of where was the film of the ending? I'd like to see the ending, not an edited version of one which has the wrong round shown out of sequence. Maybe it exists is Australia?

The poster Klompton has passed. RIP. Whether you were a fan him or not he was an authority on fights films. Does anyone have his list of fights in his massive collection?

LOL

Wow, you disappeared here. Not long ago your last post was Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:18 pm. That's over six months ago, I heard you passed. Doesn't look like you did, unless someone else is using your account : )

Welcome back Steve. I look forward to learning more about Gerb,

Who is Gerb?

[pound per pound]

Wow, put me in the camp of where was the film of the ending? I'd like to see the ending, not an edited version of one which has the wrong round shown out of sequence. Maybe it exists is Australia?

The poster Klompton has passed. RIP. Whether you were a fan him or not he was an authority on fights films. Does anyone have his list of fights in his massive collection?

LOL

Wow, you disappeared here. Not long ago your last post was Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:18 pm. That's over six months ago, I heard you passed. Doesn't look like you did, unless someone else is using your account : )

Welcome back Steve. I look forward to learning more about Gerb.

[pound per pound]

LOL

Wow, you disappeared here. Not long ago your last post was Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:18 pm. That's over six months ago, I heard you passed. Doesn't look like you did, unless someone else is using your account : )

Welcome back Steve. I look forward to learning more about Gerb.

Greb. Where have you been? There was a time that you didn't post here.

[1108788]

Interesting thread, does this mean that the films were destroyed or that we've just lost them? I know there's a bit of footage of Dempsey vs. Fulton out there, but it's atrociously filmed. I'd love to be able to see Corbett vs. Jeffries

[Caractacus]

The two exhibitions that Jack Johnson did at Leavenworth Kansas May 1921 were filmed.
The footage was to be included in a documentary about Leavenworth
that was being filmed at the time .
But at the screening the warden ordered that the Jack Johnson footage be
removed before the final print was made.

Hey, you are good, I had forgotten about that one myself !