Trump attacks Iran

[Ambling Alp II]

Biden and Harris seemed hell bent on starting WW3 while Trump was talking about winning the Nobel peace prize and claiming he could stop the war in Ukraine within 24 hours.

Anybody who believed any of this was engaged in motivated reasoning.

I don't see how Biden or Harris were hell bent on starting WW3.

Me either. How in the world can someone possibly come to that conclusion?

[stujones]

Anyone a hell of a lot more worried that this could be the start of a global war than they were for Ukraine / Russia.

We can talk about the legality the attack all we want, but the worrying fact is - is the world is running out of easy access oil supplies then you feel these countries who have stressed do not want to get involved will be forced to get involved.

This will literately become the battle for oil that no politician would admit too 30 and then 20 years ago.

[Baby Face Finster]

Trump has warned Allies in NATO that if they don't help keep the Strait of Hormuz open it will end badly for them. He starts the war and now threatens others to get involved. What he claimed was going to be a quick end to this war now looks like it will drag on and spread. So yeah I would say there is a threat for this to escalate to dangerous levels.

Is this going to turn into the Coalition of the Coerced?

[Jaguar]

Trump has warned Allies in NATO that if they don't help keep the Strait of Hormuz open it will end badly for them. He starts the war and now threatens others to get involved. What he claimed was going to be a quick end to this war now looks like it will drag on and spread. So yeah I would say there is a threat for this to escalate to dangerous levels.

Is this going to turn into the Coalition of the Coerced?

Leaving Trump aside, the Americans have form for this sort of thing: start quick and easy war; get bogged down; drag other nations in; and then ultimately fail.

It all feels dreadfully familiar to me.

[stujones]

Trump has warned Allies in NATO that if they don't help keep the Strait of Hormuz open it will end badly for them. He starts the war and now threatens others to get involved. What he claimed was going to be a quick end to this war now looks like it will drag on and spread. So yeah I would say there is a threat for this to escalate to dangerous levels.

Is this going to turn into the Coalition of the Coerced?

Yes, my fear is that it might be the coalition of the cooerced - or have no choice, it is either fight (or at least help out in such a way that there is a fear of getting attacked) or the respective country comes to a grinding halt cos it doesn't have enough fuel to run efficiently. I know its a small anacedotal example - but there is a "notoroiously" cheap fuel station about 20 miles from my house - has an excellent reputation, that has been twice in the last two weeks now I have been there and it is "out of petrol" - and the other times I have been there there have been queues of about 1/3 of a mile! And that pertrol has gone up about 10 p per litre! (its still about 5p a litre cheaper than anywhere else).

Or maybe alternative, we kill of Ukraine by lifting the sanctions off Russia so we can use their resources.

Maybe these renewables weren't such a bad idea after all.

[NazNaci1]

Can't speak for any other countries but here in the UK, we are, massively and vehemently opposed to getting involved in any wars, especially this one.

Starmer has just come out and said as much. Granted, can't trust him but surely he knows if he was to force the UK into this, inspite the Trump regime's pressure, it would be even more catastrophic for his Govt.

I sincerely hope we stay well clear.

[greg]

A very dangerous and potentially explosive situation, particularly given the unpredictability of the person in charge and his status as a convicted felon at home...

[Ricky]

Can't speak for any other countries but here in the UK, we are, massively and vehemently opposed to getting involved in any wars, especially this one.

You can't speak for anyone other yourself. But if you want the data, according to YouGov 29% of people in the uk 'strongly oppose' using UK sites to launch US attacks against Iran, 21% 'somewhat oppose' and 32% are in favour of it. I'd imagine the numbers in favour of wiping out the terrorist fascist regime would be much higher if the UK wasn't so populated full of headcase muslims.

[NazNaci1]

Can't speak for any other countries but here in the UK, we are, massively and vehemently opposed to getting involved in any wars, especially this one.

You can't speak for anyone other yourself. But if you want the data, according to YouGov 29% of people in the uk 'strongly oppose' using UK sites to launch US attacks against Iran, 21% 'somewhat oppose' and 32% are in favour of it. I'd imagine the numbers in favour of wiping out the terrorist fascist regime would be much higher if the UK wasn't so populated full of headcase muslims.

Recent polling indicates that only 25% of Britons support the US-Israeli military action against Iran, while opposition has risen to 59%. This reflects a growing discontent among the public regarding the conflict.

Sign up, mate.

[IRONFIST]

Cowardly custard Starmer continues cowardice https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2lr40g17kt, he's even got his hands up in surrender mode just like his BLM kneeling days. I've heard KFC are naming a chicken burger after him, the Kentucky Fried Starmer double, Lammy has already ordered two dozen...

A chicken and a turkey walk into a crowded restaurant and the waiter says: "yes Mr Starmer what can I get you today..."

[Taansend]

Can't speak for any other countries but here in the UK, we are, massively and vehemently opposed to getting involved in any wars, especially this one.

Starmer has just come out and said as much. Granted, can't trust him but surely he knows if he was to force the UK into this, inspite the Trump regime's pressure, it would be even more catastrophic for his Govt.

I sincerely hope we stay well clear.

I hope so too. This is Naranja's mess. He needs to be held accountable & not drag Europe (which he is constantly slagging off) into it.

[giacomino]

Can't speak for any other countries but here in the UK, we are, massively and vehemently opposed to getting involved in any wars, especially this one.

You can't speak for anyone other yourself. But if you want the data, according to YouGov 29% of people in the uk 'strongly oppose' using UK sites to launch US attacks against Iran, 21% 'somewhat oppose' and 32% are in favour of it. I'd imagine the numbers in favour of wiping out the terrorist fascist regime would be much higher if the UK wasn't so populated full of headcase muslims.

Recent polling indicates that only 25% of Britons support the US-Israeli military action against Iran, while opposition has risen to 59%. This reflects a growing discontent among the public regarding the conflict.

Sign up, mate.

Trumpy’s kids (one who is prime military age) aren’t signing up. Neither are the keyboard warriors across the world. Nor are the orthodox Jews in Israel who back Netenyahu. But a pol not rushing to send his country to a war his country didn’t start and wasn’t consulted on is a “coward.” Makes sense to the hard-of-thinking crowd, I guess

[Tony1244]

Can't speak for any other countries but here in the UK, we are, massively and vehemently opposed to getting involved in any wars, especially this one.

You can't speak for anyone other yourself. But if you want the data, according to YouGov 29% of people in the uk 'strongly oppose' using UK sites to launch US attacks against Iran, 21% 'somewhat oppose' and 32% are in favour of it. I'd imagine the numbers in favour of wiping out the terrorist fascist regime would be much higher if the UK wasn't so populated full of headcase muslims.

Recent polling indicates that only 25% of Britons support the US-Israeli military action against Iran, while opposition has risen to 59%. This reflects a growing discontent among the public regarding the conflict.

Sign up, mate.

Polls depend upon how the question is asked. If you ask do you want to wipe out terrorists and totalitarian regimes, you'd get a lot of yes votes. If you ask do you want to support Israel and the US - not so much.

Like the abortion question. Should it be between you and your doctor or the politicians vs is it ok to kill your baby?

[giacomino]

You can't speak for anyone other yourself. But if you want the data, according to YouGov 29% of people in the uk 'strongly oppose' using UK sites to launch US attacks against Iran, 21% 'somewhat oppose' and 32% are in favour of it. I'd imagine the numbers in favour of wiping out the terrorist fascist regime would be much higher if the UK wasn't so populated full of headcase muslims.

Recent polling indicates that only 25% of Britons support the US-Israeli military action against Iran, while opposition has risen to 59%. This reflects a growing discontent among the public regarding the conflict.

Sign up, mate.

Polls depend upon how the question is asked. If you ask do you want to wipe out terrorists and totalitarian regimes, you'd get a lot of yes votes. If you ask do you want to support Israel and the US - not so much.

Like the abortion question. Should it be between you and your doctor or the politicians vs is it ok to kill your baby?

Most people in the world probably don’t want to live in a country governed like Iran or support terrorism, IMO. Most people in the world also probably don’t want to wreck the world economy or pay more for gas and groceries or have countrymen die, to change the regime, IMO

[Ricky]

Recent polling indicates that only 25% of Britons support the US-Israeli military action against Iran, while opposition has risen to 59%. This reflects a growing discontent among the public regarding the conflict.

Sign up, mate.

Polls depend upon how the question is asked. If you ask do you want to wipe out terrorists and totalitarian regimes, you'd get a lot of yes votes. If you ask do you want to support Israel and the US - not so much.

Like the abortion question. Should it be between you and your doctor or the politicians vs is it ok to kill your baby?

Most people in the world probably don’t want to live in a country governed like Iran or support terrorism, IMO. Most people in the world also probably don’t want to wreck the world economy or pay more for gas and groceries or have countrymen die, to change the regime, IMO

Paying 15% more to fuel up your SUV seems a pretty poor reason for not defeating the evil in the world. I paid a bit more filling up yesterday... who cares. Bombs away boys, bombs away

[Nightmare Roy]

So he needs our help for a war he already won last week? Why would you help this fcuking plant pot, he would never return the favour, loyalty is absolutely only one way with him. I guess he gets to cancel the mid terms now.

[bmw hector]

"I care about the civilians"
"Bombs away!"

Where is that moral compass, dear oh dear.

[Tony1244]

Recent polling indicates that only 25% of Britons support the US-Israeli military action against Iran, while opposition has risen to 59%. This reflects a growing discontent among the public regarding the conflict.

Sign up, mate.

Polls depend upon how the question is asked. If you ask do you want to wipe out terrorists and totalitarian regimes, you'd get a lot of yes votes. If you ask do you want to support Israel and the US - not so much.

Like the abortion question. Should it be between you and your doctor or the politicians vs is it ok to kill your baby?

Most people in the world probably don’t want to live in a country governed like Iran or support terrorism, IMO. Most people in the world also probably don’t want to wreck the world economy or pay more for gas and groceries or have countrymen die, to change the regime, IMO

What's the price? If the price is economical, many don't mind paying a bit more. But dead British or American soldiers may be a bit too much.

[Nightmare Roy]

The clown is now asking China to help Their oil is getting through no problem, as if China would help him, he's an absolute tit.

[greg]

I’m not a big fan of abstract poll numbers. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the loudest advocates of war are often the bravest, as long as their battlefield is a computer screen and someone else does the fighting. Are any of those warriors here ready to participate directly in a war or are they/you already speaking out from the front lines? I doubt it.

[Nightmare Roy]

I’m not a big fan of abstract poll numbers. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the loudest advocates of war are often the bravest, as long as their battlefield is a computer screen and someone else does the fighting. Are any of those warriors here ready to participate directly in a war or are they/you already speaking out from the front lines? I doubt it.

Ricky's all for it and he's dead hard, he might just do some IT job but he said he was gonna batter me the other day so he must be pure hard.

[giacomino]

Polls depend upon how the question is asked. If you ask do you want to wipe out terrorists and totalitarian regimes, you'd get a lot of yes votes. If you ask do you want to support Israel and the US - not so much.

Like the abortion question. Should it be between you and your doctor or the politicians vs is it ok to kill your baby?

Most people in the world probably don’t want to live in a country governed like Iran or support terrorism, IMO. Most people in the world also probably don’t want to wreck the world economy or pay more for gas and groceries or have countrymen die, to change the regime, IMO

What's the price? If the price is economical, many don't mind paying a bit more. But dead British or American soldiers may be a bit too much.

I disagree in this case. Trumpy never made the case to Americans that they should pay double for gas or more for food to overthrow (which they have not done) the crappy Iranian regime. I would be happy if it happened but most polling show Americans are not willing to pay the price and there is a lot of danger it could eff up the world economy. I hope it doesn’t.

[Ruthless-RKO]

If Trump has ‘won the war’

Why is he begging others to get involved.

They’ve all given him the middle finger anyway.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Let’s be real and honest.

This isn’t how they thought it would go.

They thought, kill Ayatollah, regime change done within days.

But they have absolutely no control of the situation.

They don’t even know what they’re doing next.

[sheedyblue]

There's a difference between allowing the US to use UK bases and demanding the UK puts boots on the ground or boats in the Strait of Hormuz.