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[Casablanca]

I just watched the third fight between Rocky Graziano and Tony Zale again for the Middleweight Championship of the World in June of 1948. It is obviously a real shame that we don’t have the first two fights.

Rocky Graziano vs. Tony Zale III (6-10-1948)

R1: 10-8 Zale (knockdown)
R2: 10-9 Graziano
R3: Zale wins by Knockout

[Ambling Alp II]

One thing rarely mentioned when discussing JCC vs Meldrick 1 is the fact that Meldrick was a recipient of a slow count. At the time Steele makes his decision, it is already 12 seconds from the moment he hit the canvas. At 9-count he was staring totally blank-eyed AND Chavez would still have had 5 seconds to hurt a defenseless guy worse (not 2 seconds).

Right call.

Taylor had pulled himself up. He was a champion. He deserved the right to finish the last few seconds of the fight in which very little, if anything, was going to happen.

He wasn't staring totally blank-eyed. He was looking at his trainer who distracted him. If he was really hurt that bad he probably would not have been distracted. Steele used to be a good referee but became corrupt somewhere along the line.

[Casablanca]

One thing rarely mentioned when discussing JCC vs Meldrick 1 is the fact that Meldrick was a recipient of a slow count. At the time Steele makes his decision, it is already 12 seconds from the moment he hit the canvas. At 9-count he was staring totally blank-eyed AND Chavez would still have had 5 seconds to hurt a defenseless guy worse (not 2 seconds).

Right call.

Taylor had pulled himself up. He was a champion. He deserved the right to finish the last few seconds of the fight in which very little, if anything, was going to happen.

He wasn't staring totally blank-eyed. He was looking at his trainer who distracted him. If he was really hurt that bad he probably would not have been distracted. Steele used to be a good referee but became corrupt somewhere along the line.

I don’t think that I would call him corrupt. I would just call it a bad stoppage.

[Seamus]

You can't change the rules to fit the scenario as in "Taylor really deserved the decision for the beating he took", but alot a guys believe that. It should be the same whether he's way ahead or way behind.

[Casablanca]

Due to a conversation which I had earlier today with user Gilgamesh I scored a contender fight from 2014 in the Junior Featherweight division.

Tyson Cave vs Oscar Escandon (12-11-2014)

R1: 10-9 Cave
R2: 10-9 Cave
R3: 10-9 Cave
R4: 10-9 Cave
R5: 10-9 Cave
R6: 10-9 Cave
R7: 10-9 Cave
R8: 10-9 Cave
R9: 10-9 Cave
R10: 10-9 Cave
R11: 10-9 Escandon
R12: 10-9 Escandon

118-110 Cave

Rounds 1, 3, 5 and 6 were a bit less lopsided than the others, but still clear Cave rounds. 11 was close and could have gone either way and I thought that Escandon took the 12th. As far as the decision is concerned, I am at a loss. I can’t explain it either.

[gilgamesh]

Due to a conversation which I had earlier today with user Gilgamesh I scored a contender fight from 2014 in the Junior Featherweight division.

Tyson Cave vs Oscar Escandon (12-11-2014)

R1: 10-9 Cave
R2: 10-9 Cave
R3: 10-9 Cave
R4: 10-9 Cave
R5: 10-9 Cave
R6: 10-9 Cave
R7: 10-9 Cave
R8: 10-9 Cave
R9: 10-9 Cave
R10: 10-9 Cave
R11: 10-9 Escandon
R12: 10-9 Escandon

118-110 Cave

Rounds 1, 3, 5 and 6 were a bit less lopsided than the others, but still clear Cave rounds. 11 was close and could have gone either way and I thought that Escandon took the 12th. As far as the decision is concerned, I am at a loss. I can’t explain it either.

Obvious corruption is the only explanation

[gilgamesh]

One thing rarely mentioned when discussing JCC vs Meldrick 1 is the fact that Meldrick was a recipient of a slow count. At the time Steele makes his decision, it is already 12 seconds from the moment he hit the canvas. At 9-count he was staring totally blank-eyed AND Chavez would still have had 5 seconds to hurt a defenseless guy worse (not 2 seconds).

Right call.

Taylor had pulled himself up. He was a champion. He deserved the right to finish the last few seconds of the fight in which very little, if anything, was going to happen.

He wasn't staring totally blank-eyed. He was looking at his trainer who distracted him. If he was really hurt that bad he probably would not have been distracted. Steele used to be a good referee but became corrupt somewhere along the line.

I know if I were referee, I'm not stopping the fight there even if that moment happens in the 9th round. Taylor was so far ahead that you had to give him a chance to get it together.

As it was Chavez couldn't possibly have done any further damage to him. The fight was over.

[gilgamesh]

Canelo vs Euri Gonzalez

1. Canelo *
2. Canelo
3. Gonzalez
4. Gonzalez
5. Gonzalez
6. Gonzalez *
7. Gonzalez
8. Canelo
9. Canelo
10. Canelo

Canelo stops him in the 11th round. This is a great fight, and a much tougher night for Canelo than many of his Championship fights wound up being for him.

[Casablanca]

George Foreman vs. Axel Schulz (4-22-1995)

R1: 10-9 Schulz
R2: 10-9 Schulz
R3: 10-9 Schulz
R4: 10-9 Schulz
R5: 10-9 Schulz
R6: 10-9 Schulz
R7: 10-9 Foreman
R8: 10-9 Foreman
R9: 10-9 Foreman
R10: 10-9 Schulz
R11: 10-9 Foreman
R12: 10-9 Schulz

116-112 Schulz

This was a very tough decision for Schulz.

[Casablanca]

Tyson Fury vs. Oleksander Usyk II (12-21-2024)

R1: 10-9 Fury
R2: 10-9 Fury
R3: 10-9 Fury
R4: 10-9 Usyk
R5: 10-9 Usyk
R6: 10-9 Usyk
R7: 10-9 Fury
R8: 10-9 Usyk
R9: 10-9 Fury
R10: 10-9 Usyk
R11: 10-9 Usyk
R12: 10-9 Usyk

115-113 Usyk

Fury really tired down the stretch. If he could have controlled the distance and punished Usyk when he attempted to come inside over the course of the entire fight, he could have won.

[Casablanca]

You can't change the rules to fit the scenario as in "Taylor really deserved the decision for the beating he took", but alot a guys believe that. It should be the same whether he's way ahead or way behind.

For me, Taylor got up and was in charge of his basic faculties in a way which would have enabled him to clearly finish a fight which was essentially over, regardless of where he stood on the scorecards.

[gilgamesh]

Tyson Fury vs. Oleksander Usyk II (12-21-2024)

R1: 10-9 Fury
R2: 10-9 Fury
R3: 10-9 Fury
R4: 10-9 Usyk
R5: 10-9 Usyk
R6: 10-9 Usyk
R7: 10-9 Fury
R8: 10-9 Usyk
R9: 10-9 Fury
R10: 10-9 Usyk
R11: 10-9 Usyk
R12: 10-9 Usyk

115-113 Usyk

Fury really tired down the stretch. If he could have controlled the distance and punished Usyk when he attempted to come inside over the course of the entire fight, he could have won.

In both bouts he made the tactical mistake of fighting as if he were the smaller man.

[Casablanca]

Tyson Fury vs. Oleksander Usyk II (12-21-2024)

R1: 10-9 Fury
R2: 10-9 Fury
R3: 10-9 Fury
R4: 10-9 Usyk
R5: 10-9 Usyk
R6: 10-9 Usyk
R7: 10-9 Fury
R8: 10-9 Usyk
R9: 10-9 Fury
R10: 10-9 Usyk
R11: 10-9 Usyk
R12: 10-9 Usyk

115-113 Usyk

Fury really tired down the stretch. If he could have controlled the distance and punished Usyk when he attempted to come inside over the course of the entire fight, he could have won.

In both bouts he made the tactical mistake of fighting as if he were the smaller man.

I still gave him the first fight very narrowly, although he certainly didn’t take full advantage of his physical attributes.

It is a shame for him though. His stamina really hurt him in the second fight.

[Casablanca]

Mike Tyson vs. Tyrell Biggs (10-16-1987)

R1: 10-9 Biggs
R2: 10-9 Tyson
R3: 10-9 Tyson
R4: 10-9 Tyson
R5: 10-9 Tyson
R6: 10-9 Tyson
R7: Tyson wins by TKO

[Ambling Alp II]

Tyson probably could have ended it earlier. I think most people had it scored similar.

[Ambling Alp II]

George Foreman vs. Axel Schulz (4-22-1995)

R1: 10-9 Schulz
R2: 10-9 Schulz
R3: 10-9 Schulz
R4: 10-9 Schulz
R5: 10-9 Schulz
R6: 10-9 Schulz
R7: 10-9 Foreman
R8: 10-9 Foreman
R9: 10-9 Foreman
R10: 10-9 Schulz
R11: 10-9 Foreman
R12: 10-9 Schulz

116-112 Schulz

This was a very tough decision for Schulz.

Schulz got screwed in that fight. Foreman looked awful and showed his age.

[Ambling Alp II]

Taylor had pulled himself up. He was a champion. He deserved the right to finish the last few seconds of the fight in which very little, if anything, was going to happen.

He wasn't staring totally blank-eyed. He was looking at his trainer who distracted him. If he was really hurt that bad he probably would not have been distracted. Steele used to be a good referee but became corrupt somewhere along the line.

I don’t think that I would call him corrupt. I would just call it a bad stoppage.

It wasn't just that one. Watch the first Tyson-Ruddock fight. He doesn't even look at Ruddock before stopping it. There were other less important fights.

This is the same referee who wouldn't stop the Frank Tate-Olajide fight. Tate just beat him up round after round and Steele would not stop it.

[Casablanca]

He wasn't staring totally blank-eyed. He was looking at his trainer who distracted him. If he was really hurt that bad he probably would not have been distracted. Steele used to be a good referee but became corrupt somewhere along the line.

I don’t think that I would call him corrupt. I would just call it a bad stoppage.

It wasn't just that one. Watch the first Tyson-Ruddock fight. He doesn't even look at Ruddock before stopping it. There were other less important fights.

This is the same referee who wouldn't stop the Frank Tate-Olajide fight. Tate just beat him up round after round and Steele would not stop it.

Yes, the stoppage in the first Tyson-Ruddock fight was an awful stoppage. I have seen all of Tyson’s fights up through his conviction many times over.

You are always welcome to score some fights, as you know.

[Ambling Alp II]

Ok, here is one that I have been meaning to post;

Usyk- Joshua II: The Pillow Fight

1. Usyk 10-9
2. Joshua 10-9
3. Joshua 10-9
4. Usyk 10-9
5. Joshua 10-9
6. Joshua 10-9
7. Usyk 10-9
8. Joshua 10-9
9. Joshua 10-9
10. Usyk 10-9
11. Usyk 10-9
12. Usyk 10-9

114-114

What a horrible fight.
Usyk spent most of the first 8 rounds punching at Joshua's gloves. Many fell short of even that. He landed one good jab late in the first round which was probably enough to give him the round because Joshua did so little.
Round 8 was close but I thought Joshua's body punching was enough.
Round 9 was Joshua's best.
Round 10 was Usyk's best.

[Casablanca]

Ok, here is one that I have been meaning to post;

Usyk- Joshua II: The Pillow Fight

1. Usyk 10-9
2. Joshua 10-9
3. Joshua 10-9
4. Usyk 10-9
5. Joshua 10-9
6. Joshua 10-9
7. Usyk 10-9
8. Joshua 10-9
9. Joshua 10-9
10. Usyk 10-9
11. Usyk 10-9
12. Usyk 10-9

114-114

What a horrible fight.
Usyk spent most of the first 8 rounds punching at Joshua's gloves. Many fell short of even that. He landed one good jab late in the first round which was probably enough to give him the round because Joshua did so little.
Round 8 was close but I thought Joshua's body punching was enough.
Round 9 was Joshua's best.
Round 10 was Usyk's best.

I still have yet to see either of these two fights. They are on my list of fights to get to though.

[gilgamesh]

Joseph Parker vs Dillian Whyte

1. Parker *
2. Whyte 10-8
3. Whyte
4. Whyte
5. Whyte
6. Whyte
7. Whyte
8. Whyte
9. Whyte 10-8
10. Whyte
11. Parker *
12. Parker 10-8

116-109

Wild fight. Both men down. Whyte has to hang on while badly hurt to survive the 12th round.

[Casablanca]

Joseph Parker vs Dillian Whyte

1. Parker *
2. Whyte 10-8
3. Whyte
4. Whyte
5. Whyte
6. Whyte
7. Whyte
8. Whyte
9. Whyte 10-8
10. Whyte
11. Parker *
12. Parker 10-8

116-109

Wild fight. Both men down. Whyte has to hang on while badly hurt to survive the 12th round.

Another fight which I have never seen which I will have to see one of these days.

[Casablanca]

I just watched the GGG-Daniel Jacobs fight from March of 2017. It was fought as the final fight on the card the same night as the Chocolatito-Sor Rungvisai fight and it was another brilliant fight. Jacobs came extremely close and had he listened a bit more to his trainer, Andre Rozier, I think that he very well could have won the fight. When he boxed and moved he really excelled in the fight and gave GGG loads of trouble. Ultimately, despite losing several very winnable rounds and possibly giving away a round in the last thirty seconds on some cards which he essentially had in the bag had he just maintained concentration and not allowed himself to get stung in the last thirty seconds (round 9), I had the fight even on my card going to the final round which I gave to GGG. The Judges all had the fight very close, as well and Jacobs had a real opportunity to upset GGG in this fight, but after giving the final round to GGG, I also scored the fight very narrowly for GGG, with the knockdown ultimately being the difference on my card. The official Judges had it 115-112, 115-112 and 114-113, all for GGG. My card came out 114-113 for GGG after, again, giving GGG the final round in which Jacobs suddenly began to show his exhaustion and I thought that GGG took the round clearly. With the victory, GGG brought his record to 37-0 in his career, but this was the closest fight which he had experienced to that point. His next fight, in September of 2017, would be the first fight with Canelo Alvarez.

A great fight.

Gennady Golovkin vs. Daniel Jacobs (3-18-2017)

R1: 10-9 Jacobs
R2: 10-9 Jacobs
R3: 10-9 Golovkin
R4: 10-8 Golovkin
R5: 10-9 Golovkin
R6: 10-9 Jacobs
R7: 10-9 Golovkin
R8: 10-9 Jacobs
R9: 10-9 Jacobs
R10: 10-9 Jacobs
R11: 10-9 Golovkin
R12: 10-9 Golovkin

114-113 Golovkin

[gilgamesh]

Daniel Jacobs was a talented guy, but he had sh*tty Boxing IQ. He had a tendency in both of his biggest fights to turn Southpaw for no real reason, and when he did it, it usually caused the other guy to take over the bout from him.

For the most part switching stances is a mistake. Very rarely you have a guy come along like Terence Crawford who can do it effectively, but for the most part, switching stances is a bad idea, and in the case of Jacobs against Golovkin and Canelo it was obviously a very bad idea as it cost him in both of those fights.

[gilgamesh]

Joseph Parker vs Zhilei Zhang

1. Parker *
2. Zhang
3. Zhang 10-8
4. Parker
5. Parker
6. Parker
7. Parker
8. Zhang 10-8
9. Parker
10. Parker
11. Parker
12. Parker

115-111 Parker