Juan Manuel Marquez comes back to the ring again at lightweight to defend his WBA, WBO and Lineal Ring Magazine Lightweight World titles against tough contender Michael Katsidis of Australia on Saturday, November 27th, 2010. The fight was at the MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas, NV.
Forty days before this fight, Katsidis brother, Spotty, a horse racing jockey, passed away. With a broken heart, and only memory of his brother, Katsidis trained hard for this fight. It's a step on class against one of the best fighters in the world. In his first attempt for a world title shot, he lost by knockout against Marquez's former victim, Joel Casamayor of Cuba, in a brutal fast-paced contest.
Marquez at 37 is about to fight a spirited warrior, who also hit hard with 22 knockouts in 27 wins and only 2 losses.
In round 3, Katsidis dropped Marquez with a beautiful left hook. Marquez, always dangerous when he gets up from the canvas, went to work as usual. It seems that every fight he is in is with a tough opponent. And Katsidis wasn't any different. They exchanged rounds by throwing blows in close phone booth warfare style. Like the good old days. Both fighters were bruised by the punches, especially more so Katsidis.
By round 9, Marquez took over and a left hook dazed Katsidis. Katsidis didn't go down, but the accumulations of hard punches made the American referee Kenny Bayless to stop the contest. And it was a good stoppage.
The winner and still WBA/WBO/Linear Ring Magazine Lightweight Champion of the World! Juan Manuel Marquez.
By the time of the stoppage, the American judges, Adelaide Boyd, Ted Ginza and Robert Hoyle, had it scored 78-74, 76-75 and 77-74 respectively, all for Marquez. I had it 76-75 for Katsidis at the time of the stoppage.
Marquez keeps the winning ways again after losing soundly to the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr. He improves to 52-5-1 with 39 knockouts.
As for Katsidis, disappointed and hurt that could not pulled this win off, dropped to 27-3, 22KOs. He did the very best he could to win. But, in the way was a true all-time pound per pound great.
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Michael Katsidis
Saturday, November 27, 2010
MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas, NV
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Next for the great Mexican fighter Juan Manuel Marquez? A third fight with the great Manny Pacquiao of the Philippines?
This is the fight that Marquez is waiting all a long. He wants to prove to the world that he's better than the Pac Man.
This is the fight that Marquez is waiting all a long. He wants to prove to the world that he's better than the Pac Man.
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What does the great Juan Manuel Marquez got to do to beat this monster named Manny Pacquiao?
Their first encounter was a draw. But, it seems that Pac-Man had the nod because he dropped Marquez 3 times in one round. It was one of the greatest fights in featherweight history.
Their second fight was at Jr. Lightweight (130lbs). And Pacquiao dropped Dinamita, the Mexican hero on his pants again. This time, the judges gave the fight to the Pinoy from the Philippines.
Now, it's Saturday, November 12, 2011 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, NV. Pacquiao, this time fights Marquez at a catch-weight at 144lbs.
This is a rivalry well documented and is one of the best ever in boxing history. Dinamita has the chance again against his most known nemesis. In two fights, both know each other's very well. Both know what to do to each other learned from their last two fights. Who will win? It's just a matter of who executes and does the better job. Both fighters were so evenly matched that they got almost the same amount of fights and started their careers almost at the same time from each other. Pac-Man, at 32, started his professional career in 1995. Marquez, at 38, started in '93.
Pacman got a record of 53-3-2, with 38 knockouts.
JuanMa has a record of 53-5-1 with 39 knockouts. Their records are almost identical. Almost the same number of fights. (59 fights for Marquez and 58 fights for Pacquiao).
But, even though Marquez is a great fighter, Pacquiao has been the MAN in boxing. He is the Face of Boxing of the 2000s decade by defeating much more better opponents: Pacquiao beat, Miguel Cotto, Erik "El Terrible" Morales (twice), Marco Antonio Barrera (twice), Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley, Rickey Hatton, Antonio Margarito and of course Marquez once in two fights. The only man missing from the resume is a mega million dollar payday against the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr to decide who's the best fighter of this generation.
Their first encounter was a draw. But, it seems that Pac-Man had the nod because he dropped Marquez 3 times in one round. It was one of the greatest fights in featherweight history.
Their second fight was at Jr. Lightweight (130lbs). And Pacquiao dropped Dinamita, the Mexican hero on his pants again. This time, the judges gave the fight to the Pinoy from the Philippines.
Now, it's Saturday, November 12, 2011 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, NV. Pacquiao, this time fights Marquez at a catch-weight at 144lbs.
This is a rivalry well documented and is one of the best ever in boxing history. Dinamita has the chance again against his most known nemesis. In two fights, both know each other's very well. Both know what to do to each other learned from their last two fights. Who will win? It's just a matter of who executes and does the better job. Both fighters were so evenly matched that they got almost the same amount of fights and started their careers almost at the same time from each other. Pac-Man, at 32, started his professional career in 1995. Marquez, at 38, started in '93.
Pacman got a record of 53-3-2, with 38 knockouts.
JuanMa has a record of 53-5-1 with 39 knockouts. Their records are almost identical. Almost the same number of fights. (59 fights for Marquez and 58 fights for Pacquiao).
But, even though Marquez is a great fighter, Pacquiao has been the MAN in boxing. He is the Face of Boxing of the 2000s decade by defeating much more better opponents: Pacquiao beat, Miguel Cotto, Erik "El Terrible" Morales (twice), Marco Antonio Barrera (twice), Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley, Rickey Hatton, Antonio Margarito and of course Marquez once in two fights. The only man missing from the resume is a mega million dollar payday against the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr to decide who's the best fighter of this generation.
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The third fight with Manny Pacquiao didn't bring as much excitement as the first two fights. Juan Manuel Marquez fought the same way. Cautiously. Maybe too cautiously. This time there were no knockdowns. But, it wasn't a fight that got you in the edge of your seats. Was the 144lbs catch-weight a factor? I don't know.
To make it short, it went 12 rounds again. And again, Pacquiao won the this fight also. A frustrated Marquez wonders again what he got to do to beat this guy?
Pacquiao of the Philippines received a $22 million dollar payday. Marquez of Mexico City, Mexico, only received $5 million.
Not a good fight to see, I scored it a draw. 116-116. It was uneventful in my view. They should not fight again. But, some writers believe that Marquez hasn't lost against Pacquiao still. That for 36 rounds given from each other, there's not a clear-cut winner. The scores were split by multiple writers that saw the fight. To them, Marquez won giving a 56% poll. Pac-Man got 54%. That's so close these fighters are when they meet each other time and time again.
All judges were American.
Judge Robert Hoyle scored the bout 114-114, a draw.
Judge Dave Moretti scored it 115-113 for Pacquiao.
And judge Glenn Thrownbridge scored it 116-112 for Pacquiao. I scored it 116-116, a draw.
The winner by majority decision and still the WBO Welterweight Champion of the World! Manny Pacquiao.
The question is, did he really we win?
And for Marquez, is the same question. Did he really lost to Pacquiao after 36 rounds of effort?
Pacquiao improves to 54-3-2, with 38 knockouts.
Marquez drops to 53-6-1, with 39 knockouts.
A fourth fight should we see? In my view, not. But, there would be another one soon.
To make it short, it went 12 rounds again. And again, Pacquiao won the this fight also. A frustrated Marquez wonders again what he got to do to beat this guy?
Pacquiao of the Philippines received a $22 million dollar payday. Marquez of Mexico City, Mexico, only received $5 million.
Not a good fight to see, I scored it a draw. 116-116. It was uneventful in my view. They should not fight again. But, some writers believe that Marquez hasn't lost against Pacquiao still. That for 36 rounds given from each other, there's not a clear-cut winner. The scores were split by multiple writers that saw the fight. To them, Marquez won giving a 56% poll. Pac-Man got 54%. That's so close these fighters are when they meet each other time and time again.
All judges were American.
Judge Robert Hoyle scored the bout 114-114, a draw.
Judge Dave Moretti scored it 115-113 for Pacquiao.
And judge Glenn Thrownbridge scored it 116-112 for Pacquiao. I scored it 116-116, a draw.
The winner by majority decision and still the WBO Welterweight Champion of the World! Manny Pacquiao.
The question is, did he really we win?
And for Marquez, is the same question. Did he really lost to Pacquiao after 36 rounds of effort?
Pacquiao improves to 54-3-2, with 38 knockouts.
Marquez drops to 53-6-1, with 39 knockouts.
A fourth fight should we see? In my view, not. But, there would be another one soon.
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Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez.
Saturday, November 12, 2011
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, NV
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elmersalsa wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025, 18:10
Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez (III)
Saturday, November 12, 2011
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, NV
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Welcome back to this thread, I thought you'd forgotten about it.
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Juan Manuel Marquez had easy work against some unknown fighter from Ukraine named Serhii Fedchenko on April 14, 2012. Marquez won easily the whole 12 rounds. The fight was in Mexico. The fight proved to be nothing but a tune up. What did this fight proved to Marquez?
A fourth fight is in his mind against his greatest nemesis, Manny Pacquiao of the Philippines. Of the three fights, it hasn't been clearly proven to some, that Marquez lost all 3 fights.
In my personal opinion, Pacquiao won the first two and drew the third. To some people, Dinamita won all three. The question is, Did he really lost those fights? Did he really win all three fights?
Those three fights were so close that some people were not satisfied. It's like there was never a clear winner. Some fans didn't want to see anymore of those two fighting. Some wanted more. A definite answer.
A fourth fight is in his mind against his greatest nemesis, Manny Pacquiao of the Philippines. Of the three fights, it hasn't been clearly proven to some, that Marquez lost all 3 fights.
In my personal opinion, Pacquiao won the first two and drew the third. To some people, Dinamita won all three. The question is, Did he really lost those fights? Did he really win all three fights?
Those three fights were so close that some people were not satisfied. It's like there was never a clear winner. Some fans didn't want to see anymore of those two fighting. Some wanted more. A definite answer.
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A definite answer got the wishes of some people when the great Manny Pacquiao of the Philippines, already considered by boxing experts as one of the greatest boxers of all-time, will face Juan Manuel Marquez of Mexico for the 4th time. Marquez got his wish. Pac-Man wants to prove again, that once and for all, he is the better fighter of this rivalry. It's Mexico vs Philippines all over again. One more time.
Of the Mexican Holy Trinity of the 2000s and 2010s decades, Marquez, Erik "El Terrible" Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera, were beaten by the Philippine monster. Of the three, Dinamita was the toughest, even though that in the official judges scorecards, he hasn't beaten Pacquiao. The only one from the Trinity to beat Pacquiao was Morales. But, he paid the price in the next two bouts with the Pinoy. Pacquiao at least has beaten each member of the Trinity twice! He is 6-1-1, with 3 KOs against them. That psychologically affected a lot of Mexicans about it. Is he that invincible? Can a Mexican beat him again like Morales did? Or that will never happen again?
On Saturday night of December 8, 2012 in Las Vegas, NV Pacquiao and Marquez met for the 4th time. What crown was at stake? Nobody knows. Nobody cares. It was 12 rounds of combat.
Pacquiao started fast winning the first two rounds. But, in round 3, a big right hand from Marquez drops Pac-Man for a mandatory 8-count. The fight is even because of the knockdown.
The fourth round was even, or Pacquiao had the edge in my view. But, in the fifth round, Pac-Man turns the tide by dropping Marquez for the 5th time in four fights between the two. It was a left cross and Marquez went down the canvas. A flash knockdown.
Marquez bloodied in the nose, figured that he got to get to work before another controversial verdict against his favor. In round 6, when he was getting pummeled by Pacquiao for almost 180 seconds, a right hand flush of the chin of Pacquiao drops him for the count at the very end of the round. The bell even rang. But, Pacquiao didn't even get up. Marquez ran across the ring in victory like if he didn't believed it. It was shocking knockout in which the referee could have counted until 100, and still, Pacquiao would be on the floor. It was a beautiful right hand shot! One of the best knockouts that ever happened in the history of boxing. It was flushed on the jaw.
The winner by knockout in the 6th round, Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Marquez!
Of the Mexican Holy Trinity of the 2000s and 2010s decades, Marquez, Erik "El Terrible" Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera, were beaten by the Philippine monster. Of the three, Dinamita was the toughest, even though that in the official judges scorecards, he hasn't beaten Pacquiao. The only one from the Trinity to beat Pacquiao was Morales. But, he paid the price in the next two bouts with the Pinoy. Pacquiao at least has beaten each member of the Trinity twice! He is 6-1-1, with 3 KOs against them. That psychologically affected a lot of Mexicans about it. Is he that invincible? Can a Mexican beat him again like Morales did? Or that will never happen again?
On Saturday night of December 8, 2012 in Las Vegas, NV Pacquiao and Marquez met for the 4th time. What crown was at stake? Nobody knows. Nobody cares. It was 12 rounds of combat.
Pacquiao started fast winning the first two rounds. But, in round 3, a big right hand from Marquez drops Pac-Man for a mandatory 8-count. The fight is even because of the knockdown.
The fourth round was even, or Pacquiao had the edge in my view. But, in the fifth round, Pac-Man turns the tide by dropping Marquez for the 5th time in four fights between the two. It was a left cross and Marquez went down the canvas. A flash knockdown.
Marquez bloodied in the nose, figured that he got to get to work before another controversial verdict against his favor. In round 6, when he was getting pummeled by Pacquiao for almost 180 seconds, a right hand flush of the chin of Pacquiao drops him for the count at the very end of the round. The bell even rang. But, Pacquiao didn't even get up. Marquez ran across the ring in victory like if he didn't believed it. It was shocking knockout in which the referee could have counted until 100, and still, Pacquiao would be on the floor. It was a beautiful right hand shot! One of the best knockouts that ever happened in the history of boxing. It was flushed on the jaw.
The winner by knockout in the 6th round, Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Marquez!
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A definite answer got the wishes of some people when the great Manny Pacquiao of the Philippines, already considered by boxing experts as one of the greatest boxers of all-time, will face Juan Manuel Marquez of Mexico for the 4th time. Marquez got his wish. Pac-Man wants to prove again, that once and for all, he is the better fighter of this rivalry. It's Mexico vs Philippines all over again. One more time.
Of the Mexican Holy Trinity of the 2000s and 2010s decades, Marquez, Erik "El Terrible" Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera, were beaten by the Philippine monster. Of the three, Dinamita was the toughest, even though that in the official judges scorecards, he hasn't beaten Pacquiao. The only one from the Trinity to beat Pacquiao was Morales. But, he paid the price in the next two bouts with the Pinoy. Pacquiao at least has beaten each member of the Trinity twice! He is 6-1-1, with 3 KOs against them. That psychologically affected a lot of Mexicans about it. Is he that invincible? Can a Mexican beat him again like Morales did? Or that will never happen again?
On Saturday night of December 8, 2012 in Las Vegas, NV Pacquiao and Marquez met for the 4th time. What crown was at stake? Nobody knows. Nobody cares. It was 12 rounds of combat.
Pacquiao started fast winning the first two rounds. But, in round 3, a big right hand from Marquez drops Pac-Man for a mandatory 8-count. The fight is even because of the knockdown.
The fourth round was even, or Pacquiao had the edge in my view. But, in the fifth round, Pac-Man turns the tide by dropping Marquez for the 5th time in four fights between the two. It was a left cross and Marquez went down the canvas. A flash knockdown.
Marquez bloodied in the nose, figured that he got to get to work before another controversial verdict against his favor. In round 6, when he was getting pummeled by Pacquiao for almost 180 seconds, a right hand flush of the chin of Pacquiao drops him for the count at the very end of the round. The bell even rang. But, Pacquiao didn't even get up. Marquez ran across the ring in victory like if he didn't believed it. It was shocking knockout in which the referee could have counted until 100, and still, Pacquiao would be on the floor. It was a beautiful right hand shot! One of the best knockouts that ever happened in the history of boxing. It was flushed on the jaw.
The winner by knockout in the 6th round, Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Marquez!
Of the Mexican Holy Trinity of the 2000s and 2010s decades, Marquez, Erik "El Terrible" Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera, were beaten by the Philippine monster. Of the three, Dinamita was the toughest, even though that in the official judges scorecards, he hasn't beaten Pacquiao. The only one from the Trinity to beat Pacquiao was Morales. But, he paid the price in the next two bouts with the Pinoy. Pacquiao at least has beaten each member of the Trinity twice! He is 6-1-1, with 3 KOs against them. That psychologically affected a lot of Mexicans about it. Is he that invincible? Can a Mexican beat him again like Morales did? Or that will never happen again?
On Saturday night of December 8, 2012 in Las Vegas, NV Pacquiao and Marquez met for the 4th time. What crown was at stake? Nobody knows. Nobody cares. It was 12 rounds of combat.
Pacquiao started fast winning the first two rounds. But, in round 3, a big right hand from Marquez drops Pac-Man for a mandatory 8-count. The fight is even because of the knockdown.
The fourth round was even, or Pacquiao had the edge in my view. But, in the fifth round, Pac-Man turns the tide by dropping Marquez for the 5th time in four fights between the two. It was a left cross and Marquez went down the canvas. A flash knockdown.
Marquez bloodied in the nose, figured that he got to get to work before another controversial verdict against his favor. In round 6, when he was getting pummeled by Pacquiao for almost 180 seconds, a right hand flush of the chin of Pacquiao drops him for the count at the very end of the round. The bell even rang. But, Pacquiao didn't even get up. Marquez ran across the ring in victory like if he didn't believed it. It was shocking knockout in which the referee could have counted until 100, and still, Pacquiao would be on the floor. It was a beautiful right hand shot! One of the best knockouts that ever happened in the history of boxing. It was flushed on the jaw.
The winner by knockout in the 6th round, Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Marquez!
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Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Marquez of Mexico, at age 39, finally had the monkey off his back. He did it his way. And the only and definite answer to beat his tormentor, was a right hand shot that fell flush in the Filipino's chin Manny Pacquiao.
What a shot! His win against Pac-Man is the greatest win of his career. His most defining moment. Now Marquez belongs in the class of Mexican boxing history greats. Now, he is a top 100 pound per pound all-time great boxer without a doubt. He accomplished everything and at 39, he could retire in peace. It took him 4 fights to figure out Pacquiao. And he had to do it by knockout and erase all doubts
What a shot! His win against Pac-Man is the greatest win of his career. His most defining moment. Now Marquez belongs in the class of Mexican boxing history greats. Now, he is a top 100 pound per pound all-time great boxer without a doubt. He accomplished everything and at 39, he could retire in peace. It took him 4 fights to figure out Pacquiao. And he had to do it by knockout and erase all doubts
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If the great Juan Manuel Marquez of Mexico finally at 39 had the best win of his glorious career, why didn't he retire in style? Did he wanted a fifth fight with the great Manny Pacquiao? Why give the Philippine Pac-Man a rematch? The only reason would have been much more money to take to the bank and enjoy his family.
In other words, Dinamita doesn't have to prove nothing to nobody. He had an stelar and fantastic hall of fame career in boxing, and established himself as one of the greatest boxers of the rich tradition of Mexican boxing history ever produced. He still has all his faculties. He is in great shape for his age at 40, and has fought the very best fighters of his era, including 4 with Pacquiao.
Well, you are only as old as your next fight. And in October 12, 2013, he has another test at welterweight against two-time weight division king and undefeated boxer in Timothy Bradley, Jr of Palm Springs, CA.
It would be at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, NV.
In other words, Dinamita doesn't have to prove nothing to nobody. He had an stelar and fantastic hall of fame career in boxing, and established himself as one of the greatest boxers of the rich tradition of Mexican boxing history ever produced. He still has all his faculties. He is in great shape for his age at 40, and has fought the very best fighters of his era, including 4 with Pacquiao.
Well, you are only as old as your next fight. And in October 12, 2013, he has another test at welterweight against two-time weight division king and undefeated boxer in Timothy Bradley, Jr of Palm Springs, CA.
It would be at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, NV.
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The WBO Welterweight Championship will be on the line when future hall of fame boxer Timothy Bradley, Jr defends his title against the legend of Mexico City Juan Manuel Marquez.
Bradley became world champion for the first time when he took the WBC World Jr Welterweight title from Junior Witter of England by split decision in May 2008. He has also major wins against Manny Pacquiao of the Philippines (W12) and Joel Casamayor of Cuba (WTKO8) and Ruslan Prodnovdikov of Russia (W12). He is undefeated in 30 fights, but can swat a fly. Why? He only had 12 knockouts.
The advantages that he would have on Marquez will be height, reach and age. Marquez will have the advantage in experience. If Bradley beat Pacquiao, why Marquez didn't fight Pacquiao for the fifth time? I don't get that part.
Bradley became world champion for the first time when he took the WBC World Jr Welterweight title from Junior Witter of England by split decision in May 2008. He has also major wins against Manny Pacquiao of the Philippines (W12) and Joel Casamayor of Cuba (WTKO8) and Ruslan Prodnovdikov of Russia (W12). He is undefeated in 30 fights, but can swat a fly. Why? He only had 12 knockouts.
The advantages that he would have on Marquez will be height, reach and age. Marquez will have the advantage in experience. If Bradley beat Pacquiao, why Marquez didn't fight Pacquiao for the fifth time? I don't get that part.
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It's Saturday, October 12, 2013, almost a year since the great Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez's most spectacular and defining knockout win against Manny Pacquiao of the Philippines in December 2012.
Tim Bradley, Jr, now a hall of fame boxer (I don't know how he became one), is ready to defend his WBO Welterweight Championship against the ancient legend that is 40 years old at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, NV.
The fight was uneventful. Nothing to be remembered about. It was like an sparring session that had little excitement. Some highlights, but nobody went down. Nobody was hurt and it was a Marquez's type of fight. The thing is that he lost.
Bradley was faster, stronger and younger. He at 30, has beaten two legends of the sport. Marquez looked old. How old? Very old. He didn't had it. He missed punches in bunches and was easy to outbox. At 40, Marquez gave all he had in a losing effort. It's time to hang up the gloves. He doesn't have nothing to prove. His career and boxing legacy is secured. Is he a hall of famer? Of course! By studying and watching his fights, there's no doubt that he shouldn't be. He is a certified boxing legend.
For this fight, the legendary Mexican got $4 million dollars for night's work and retire in the sunset. Bradley received $ 6.1 million for his effort. He clearly beat Marquez. It was probably the second loss of Marquez's 7 losses as a professional that he really lost without a doubt.
Marquez lost by split decision. But, I think that it should have been unanimous for Bradley. The scores were 115-113 for Marquez, by judge Glenn Feldman. But, the other two judges, Robert Hoyle and Patricia Morse Jarman scored the fight 115-113 and 116-112 respectively for Bradley.
The winner and still the WBO Welterweight Championship of the World! Timothy Bradley, Jr!
Bradley improves to 31-0, with 12 knockouts.
Marquez with the future uncertain at 40, drops to 55-7-1 with 40 knockouts.
It was Marquez's last big feature bout. On May 17, 2014, Marquez had his last fight, winning by unanimous decision against Mike Alvarado of Denver, CO.
Marquez retired from the ring with a fabulous record of 56-7-1 with 40 knockouts, becoming an all-time great top 100 pound per pound fighter and a true Mexican boxing legend.
Tim Bradley, Jr, now a hall of fame boxer (I don't know how he became one), is ready to defend his WBO Welterweight Championship against the ancient legend that is 40 years old at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, NV.
The fight was uneventful. Nothing to be remembered about. It was like an sparring session that had little excitement. Some highlights, but nobody went down. Nobody was hurt and it was a Marquez's type of fight. The thing is that he lost.
Bradley was faster, stronger and younger. He at 30, has beaten two legends of the sport. Marquez looked old. How old? Very old. He didn't had it. He missed punches in bunches and was easy to outbox. At 40, Marquez gave all he had in a losing effort. It's time to hang up the gloves. He doesn't have nothing to prove. His career and boxing legacy is secured. Is he a hall of famer? Of course! By studying and watching his fights, there's no doubt that he shouldn't be. He is a certified boxing legend.
For this fight, the legendary Mexican got $4 million dollars for night's work and retire in the sunset. Bradley received $ 6.1 million for his effort. He clearly beat Marquez. It was probably the second loss of Marquez's 7 losses as a professional that he really lost without a doubt.
Marquez lost by split decision. But, I think that it should have been unanimous for Bradley. The scores were 115-113 for Marquez, by judge Glenn Feldman. But, the other two judges, Robert Hoyle and Patricia Morse Jarman scored the fight 115-113 and 116-112 respectively for Bradley.
The winner and still the WBO Welterweight Championship of the World! Timothy Bradley, Jr!
Bradley improves to 31-0, with 12 knockouts.
Marquez with the future uncertain at 40, drops to 55-7-1 with 40 knockouts.
It was Marquez's last big feature bout. On May 17, 2014, Marquez had his last fight, winning by unanimous decision against Mike Alvarado of Denver, CO.
Marquez retired from the ring with a fabulous record of 56-7-1 with 40 knockouts, becoming an all-time great top 100 pound per pound fighter and a true Mexican boxing legend.
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Now, this is the countdown so far:
100. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Sonny Liston
98. Vicente Saldivar
97. Gene Fullmer
96. Mike Tyson
95. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Benny Lynch
93. Jack Britton
92. Tommy Ryan
91. Mike McCallum
90. James Toney
89. Tiger Flowers
88. Joe Brown
87. Ted "Kid" Lewis
86. Peter Jackson
85. Beau Jack
84. Lennox Lewis
83. Abe Attell
82. Holman Williams
81. Azumah Nelson
80. Erik "El Terrible" Morales
79. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
78. George Dixon
77. Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
76. Manuel Ortiz
75. Marco Antonio Barrera
74. Bob Foster
73. Pancho Villa
72. Jimmy Barry
71. Packey McFarland
70. Miguel Canto
69. Carlos Zarate
68. Wilfred Benitez
67. Carlos Ortiz
66. Jack "Kid" Berg
65. Freddie Miller
64. Battling Battalino
63. Wilfredo Gomez
62. Fidel LaBarba
61. Maxie Rosenbloom
60. Billy Conn
59. Fighting Harada
58. Barbados Joe Walcott
57. Pascual Perez
56. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
55. Carmen Basilio
54. Kid Chocolate
53. Michael Spinks
52. Juan Manuel Marquez
And now, at position #51 in the countdown, is The Raging Bull of the Bronx, the great Jake LaMotta!
100. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Sonny Liston
98. Vicente Saldivar
97. Gene Fullmer
96. Mike Tyson
95. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Benny Lynch
93. Jack Britton
92. Tommy Ryan
91. Mike McCallum
90. James Toney
89. Tiger Flowers
88. Joe Brown
87. Ted "Kid" Lewis
86. Peter Jackson
85. Beau Jack
84. Lennox Lewis
83. Abe Attell
82. Holman Williams
81. Azumah Nelson
80. Erik "El Terrible" Morales
79. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
78. George Dixon
77. Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
76. Manuel Ortiz
75. Marco Antonio Barrera
74. Bob Foster
73. Pancho Villa
72. Jimmy Barry
71. Packey McFarland
70. Miguel Canto
69. Carlos Zarate
68. Wilfred Benitez
67. Carlos Ortiz
66. Jack "Kid" Berg
65. Freddie Miller
64. Battling Battalino
63. Wilfredo Gomez
62. Fidel LaBarba
61. Maxie Rosenbloom
60. Billy Conn
59. Fighting Harada
58. Barbados Joe Walcott
57. Pascual Perez
56. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
55. Carmen Basilio
54. Kid Chocolate
53. Michael Spinks
52. Juan Manuel Marquez
And now, at position #51 in the countdown, is The Raging Bull of the Bronx, the great Jake LaMotta!
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Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
#51. Jake LaMotta
Record: 83-19-4 with 30KOs
KO Pct: 36%
Career: 1941-54
World Titles Held: World Middleweight Champion (1949-51)
Highlights: Feared serious action-packed fighter and popular aggressive swarmer that fought the best black fighters of his era.......Was the first man in boxing history to beat the great Sugar Ray Robinson......World Middleweight Champion (1949-51) that made 3 title defenses.....Possessed one of the greatest chins of all-time and great desire to win....Only stopped 4 times and knockdown once in 106 fights....... Became a serious contender after beating Robinson, losing only twice in 20 contests from October 1942 to March 1944 (Record: 18-2, with 5 knockouts).......Went another unbeaten streak of 13 fights from from November 1945 to June 1947 (Record: 12-0-1, with 3 knockouts)........Beat 4 out of 5 Hall of Fame boxers (Record vs HoFs is 6-7, with 1KO).......Beat 4 out of 4 world champions (Record vs world champions is 6-6, with 1KO).
Historical Impact: Had 6 epic battles with the great Sugar Ray Robinson in which he became the first man ever to beat him. The last fight between them was the famous St Valentine's Massacre in February 1951 in Chicago Stadium.....One of the best middleweight boxers of all-time, had also an historical title fight against Laurent Dauthuille stopping the Frenchman in the very last round coming from behind in scorecards....Possessed one of the greatest chins in boxing history.
Defining Fight: W10 Sugar Ray Robinson (II)...... February 5, 1943....."First man in history to beat the great Sugar Ray"
Other Defining Fights: WTKO9 Marcel Cerdan, W10 Holman Williams, WTKO15 Laurent Dauthuille (II), WKO7 Bob Satterfield, W10 Fritzie Zivic , and LTKO13 Sugar Ray Robinson (VI)
Your thoughts on this great champion from the Bronx, NY, who was one of the greatest warriors of all-time!
Record: 83-19-4 with 30KOs
KO Pct: 36%
Career: 1941-54
World Titles Held: World Middleweight Champion (1949-51)
Highlights: Feared serious action-packed fighter and popular aggressive swarmer that fought the best black fighters of his era.......Was the first man in boxing history to beat the great Sugar Ray Robinson......World Middleweight Champion (1949-51) that made 3 title defenses.....Possessed one of the greatest chins of all-time and great desire to win....Only stopped 4 times and knockdown once in 106 fights....... Became a serious contender after beating Robinson, losing only twice in 20 contests from October 1942 to March 1944 (Record: 18-2, with 5 knockouts).......Went another unbeaten streak of 13 fights from from November 1945 to June 1947 (Record: 12-0-1, with 3 knockouts)........Beat 4 out of 5 Hall of Fame boxers (Record vs HoFs is 6-7, with 1KO).......Beat 4 out of 4 world champions (Record vs world champions is 6-6, with 1KO).
Historical Impact: Had 6 epic battles with the great Sugar Ray Robinson in which he became the first man ever to beat him. The last fight between them was the famous St Valentine's Massacre in February 1951 in Chicago Stadium.....One of the best middleweight boxers of all-time, had also an historical title fight against Laurent Dauthuille stopping the Frenchman in the very last round coming from behind in scorecards....Possessed one of the greatest chins in boxing history.
Defining Fight: W10 Sugar Ray Robinson (II)...... February 5, 1943....."First man in history to beat the great Sugar Ray"
Other Defining Fights: WTKO9 Marcel Cerdan, W10 Holman Williams, WTKO15 Laurent Dauthuille (II), WKO7 Bob Satterfield, W10 Fritzie Zivic , and LTKO13 Sugar Ray Robinson (VI)
Your thoughts on this great champion from the Bronx, NY, who was one of the greatest warriors of all-time!
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Vamos Elmo! Almost half-way there!
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Serious question Elmer and not poking fun at you. How can you make a list like this without having to make changes after nearly 7 years.
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elmersalsa
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Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
What do you think about Jake LaMotta, Seamus?
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I think Jake is better than I used to, but I still wouldn't have in my top 10 MW's. Maybe not even 15. Still, I used to denigrate his boxing skills, thinking him of simply a guy with a great chin. He was more than that.
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I think that he was a top 10 middleweight fighter. Jake LaMotta had the guts to fight the very best black fighters of his era.
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Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
For some reason, I don't understand why there's not enough amount of video footage of the great Jake LaMotta fights.
Most of his greatest defining bouts are obscure or have no more than 2 minutes of fight footage. Unbelievable! Especially his fights with Marcel Cerdan and Laurent Dauthuille (II), are only clips.
Most of his greatest defining bouts are obscure or have no more than 2 minutes of fight footage. Unbelievable! Especially his fights with Marcel Cerdan and Laurent Dauthuille (II), are only clips.