Trump attacks Iran

[hhaehre]

You're pro the war, i mean excursion, then?

Yes, I think when the Iranian regime turned the guns on yens of thousands of it's own people who were protesting for secular democracy, that was the moment that regime should have been terminated with great force. This same regime are also desperate to develop nuclear weapons and are getting closer year on year, they need to be obliterated. It's a shame Trump is showing such weakness atm, hopefully he'll take more decisive action soon.

They have already changed the regime haven't you heard?

The fact that Trump is even saying that is insane. It's changed alright, changed to a more hardline regime, great job. Mission accomplished I guess. I see Trump is lining Hegseth up as the fall guy now.

[Nightmare Roy]

Yes, I think when the Iranian regime turned the guns on yens of thousands of it's own people who were protesting for secular democracy, that was the moment that regime should have been terminated with great force. This same regime are also desperate to develop nuclear weapons and are getting closer year on year, they need to be obliterated. It's a shame Trump is showing such weakness atm, hopefully he'll take more decisive action soon.

Boots on the ground then?

No I don't think that's necessary, I'm sure the US could obliterate them from the sky easily enough.

No regime has ever been change via air attack, not to mention the US is running out of missiles.

[Nightmare Roy]

[bmw hector]

That there that 4D chess thingy.

[Tony1244]

She should be protesting outside the CIA's head office or MI6's head office, they were the one's who stole Iran's democracy, the Islamic nutjobs in power now didnt overthrow a democracy, they overthrew a brutal dictator

I'm sure not all anti-war protesters are alike. The ones that have a clue aren't defending the present Iranian regime, they are questioning whether Western money and Western blood is worth the sacrifice when history has shown us the new boss will be as bad, or worse than the old boss.

I disagree, isn't it all too easy to just wash your hands of something? Time we picked a side. You could maybe the case it's the Iranians that have been keeping the ME in a perpetual state of conflict for decades with the amount of proxy groups they have in several countries. It's best to kill a weed by getting the root.

I can pick a side if there is a democratic alternative to what they have now. I don't see one. Even if that was the case, I still don't think it's worth Western blood. I wouldn't want my kid fighting over there, would you? I'm fine with killing weeds which is why I wasn't against the original action, but when we get bogged down it doesn't end well.

[gilgamesh]

I'm sure not all anti-war protesters are alike. The ones that have a clue aren't defending the present Iranian regime, they are questioning whether Western money and Western blood is worth the sacrifice when history has shown us the new boss will be as bad, or worse than the old boss.

I disagree, isn't it all too easy to just wash your hands of something? Time we picked a side. You could maybe the case it's the Iranians that have been keeping the ME in a perpetual state of conflict for decades with the amount of proxy groups they have in several countries. It's best to kill a weed by getting the root.

I can pick a side if there is a democratic alternative to what they have now. I don't see one. Even if that was the case, I still don't think it's worth Western blood. I wouldn't want my kid fighting over there, would you? I'm fine with killing weeds which is why I wasn't against the original action, but when we get bogged down it doesn't end well.

This is going to wind up being "Re-instate the Draft"...."100's of Thousands of American lives lost going unreported by Trump administration who continue to insist everything is going fine" and eventually it will wind up like Vietnam in that after everything that happens, after all the death, all the killing, Iran will be the same as it was before the War started essentially.

When you start a war without a plan for how you're gonna win it or even a clear reason why you're fighting it, it doesn't tend to work out well.

Iranians know exactly why they're fighting us. Americans don't know why they're fighting Iranians.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The thought of that fack sack of pus Lindsay Graham, cheerleading for Carolinans to send their sons to go and die for this administrations war, makes me want to puke.

[Tony1244]

I disagree, isn't it all too easy to just wash your hands of something? Time we picked a side. You could maybe the case it's the Iranians that have been keeping the ME in a perpetual state of conflict for decades with the amount of proxy groups they have in several countries. It's best to kill a weed by getting the root.

I can pick a side if there is a democratic alternative to what they have now. I don't see one. Even if that was the case, I still don't think it's worth Western blood. I wouldn't want my kid fighting over there, would you? I'm fine with killing weeds which is why I wasn't against the original action, but when we get bogged down it doesn't end well.

This is going to wind up being "Re-instate the Draft"...."100's of Thousands of American lives lost going unreported by Trump administration who continue to insist everything is going fine" and eventually it will wind up like Vietnam in that after everything that happens, after all the death, all the killing, Iran will be the same as it was before the War started essentially.

When you start a war without a plan for how you're gonna win it or even a clear reason why you're fighting it, it doesn't tend to work out well.

Iranians know exactly why they're fighting us. Americans don't know why they're fighting Iranians.

If your first paragraph is close to correct, perhaps Iran will be the same but we won't be. It will make the 1960s look like the 1950s.

[gilgamesh]

I can pick a side if there is a democratic alternative to what they have now. I don't see one. Even if that was the case, I still don't think it's worth Western blood. I wouldn't want my kid fighting over there, would you? I'm fine with killing weeds which is why I wasn't against the original action, but when we get bogged down it doesn't end well.

This is going to wind up being "Re-instate the Draft"...."100's of Thousands of American lives lost going unreported by Trump administration who continue to insist everything is going fine" and eventually it will wind up like Vietnam in that after everything that happens, after all the death, all the killing, Iran will be the same as it was before the War started essentially.

When you start a war without a plan for how you're gonna win it or even a clear reason why you're fighting it, it doesn't tend to work out well.

Iranians know exactly why they're fighting us. Americans don't know why they're fighting Iranians.

If your first paragraph is close to correct, perhaps Iran will be the same but we won't be. It will make the 1960s look like the 1950s.

Trump will definitely bring back the Draft after the Republicans lose the Midterms (or when it looks like they're about to). He'll be mad. He'll want revenge on America. He'll take it out on their children.

If you think for a second "Whoa. He couldn't be THAT petty of a person"

Yes he could, and Yes he is THAT petty.

[Gnome]

Yes, I think when the Iranian regime turned the guns on yens of thousands of it's own people who were protesting for secular democracy, that was the moment that regime should have been terminated with great force. This same regime are also desperate to develop nuclear weapons and are getting closer year on year, they need to be obliterated. It's a shame Trump is showing such weakness atm, hopefully he'll take more decisive action soon.

Boots on the ground then?

No I don't think that's necessary, I'm sure the US could obliterate them from the sky easily enough.

How did regime change in Syria work out for everyone?

[Taansend]

I still don't know which of the two scenarios this year has been.

A Master Plan by trump & his corporate Oil friends to place most of the world's oil in their hands, hence the Venezuela & Iran situations, making them all trillions of dollars.

Or...

A complete fornicating mess by an old draft dodging coward who suddenly wants to play war hero with shiny toys & expendable American soldiers, egged on by a weird Christian warlike cult consisting of Hesgit, who's also compensating for his own shortcomings, and Lady Bug from South Carolina.

Or a bit of both.

[Tony1244]

This is going to wind up being "Re-instate the Draft"...."100's of Thousands of American lives lost going unreported by Trump administration who continue to insist everything is going fine" and eventually it will wind up like Vietnam in that after everything that happens, after all the death, all the killing, Iran will be the same as it was before the War started essentially.

When you start a war without a plan for how you're gonna win it or even a clear reason why you're fighting it, it doesn't tend to work out well.

Iranians know exactly why they're fighting us. Americans don't know why they're fighting Iranians.

If your first paragraph is close to correct, perhaps Iran will be the same but we won't be. It will make the 1960s look like the 1950s.

Trump will definitely bring back the Draft after the Republicans lose the Midterms (or when it looks like they're about to). He'll be mad. He'll want revenge on America. He'll take it out on their children.

If you think for a second "Whoa. He couldn't be THAT petty of a person"

Yes he could, and Yes he is THAT petty.

The good news, for people who don't like his policies, is he doesn't give a good god damn about his policies either if he's unpopular or not getting credit for them. He will sink his own ship after he abandons it.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Boots on the ground then?

No I don't think that's necessary, I'm sure the US could obliterate them from the sky easily enough.

How did regime change in Syria work out for everyone?

The one where the guy from ISIS is in charge?

[Gnome]

No I don't think that's necessary, I'm sure the US could obliterate them from the sky easily enough.

How did regime change in Syria work out for everyone?

The one where the guy from ISIS is in charge?

I actually meant to write Libya, ugh.

[Seamus]

This might be the reason for a potential ceasefire

Status of Key Missile Stockpiles
The following systems are reported to be under the most severe strain:

THAAD Interceptors: Estimates suggest the U.S. may have already expended 20% to 50% of its entire global inventory. Current production is roughly 96 units per year, though plans are underway to increase this to 400.
Patriot (PAC-3 MSE): Reports indicate the U.S. currently possesses only about 25% of the interceptors required for its full global military plans.
Tomahawk Cruise Missiles: More than 500 Tomahawks were fired in the opening phase of the conflict, and analysts suggest it could take up to five years to replenish these specific losses at current production rates.
ATACMS and PrSM: Researchers estimate the U.S. used nearly 46% of its Precision Strike Missile (PrSM) and ATACMS stocks in the first 16 days of the war.

Factors Driving the Depletion

Asymmetric Warfare: Iran utilizes low-cost drones and missiles to force the U.S. and its allies to expend highly expensive, slow-to-produce interceptors—a strategy described by analysts as "death by a thousand cuts".
Production Bottlenecks: High-end missiles are complex and take years to manufacture. For example, a single Tomahawk can take up to two years to build.
Strategic Overstretch: The rapid consumption of munitions in the Middle East has raised concerns about the U.S. military's "readiness" for potential future conflicts in the Indo-Pacific or Europe.

[gilgamesh]

In other words. America shot it's wad in the first 2 rounds, and is looking for a Technical Decision or a DQ or any way to save face to keep this thing from going all 12 because they've just about had it, and aren't ready for the counterattack. There wasn't supposed to be one. It was supposed to be easy. You're supposed to be able to just pick on countries willy nilly right?
Bombing people is just some silly game we can play right?

Reality is a bitch sometimes, and Actions have Consequences. I don't think America is gonna have the option of simply saying "Ok guys we'd like to quit fighting now if it's all cool with you". They're gonna have to win or lose. The bell has rang.

[Nightmare Roy]

It's a wee bit pricey too, costing a cheeky Billion a day.

[Seamus]

Almost expect the Russians to say "Not as tough as we all thought you were"

[Baby Face Finster]

It's a wee bit pricey too, costing a cheeky Billion a day.

What's a billion a day when you already owe trillions?

[Nightmare Roy]

Trumps latest post:

Iran's new regime's president, much less radicalised and far more intelligent than his predecessors, has just asked the USA for a CEASEFIRE. We will consider this once the straights are reopened and free, until then, we are blasting Iran into oblivion or as they say back to the stone ages.

Irans responded: This didn't happen.

who the fcuk is he having these talks with, he's fcuking properly mental.

[Taansend]

who the fcuk is he having these talks with, he's fcuking properly mental.

[Nightmare Roy]

who the fcuk is he having these talks with, he's fcuking properly mental.

[bmw hector]

Yeah yeah yeah, but he's still putting it to those lefty libtards

[Perkin Warbeck]

[Tony1244]

OMG does PW actually have a sense of humor or does he think this is real? This funny guy was influenced by Baron Sasha Cohen.