Trump attacks Iran

Should the USA attack Iran?

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Taansend wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 12:11
Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 09:20
All these Morons will get there comeuppance when the regime falls.
Will they?

We thought that last time & then especially so after January 6th & yet here we are.
I think so, they have done so much damage to America, surely they will be held to account.
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Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 13:13
Tony1244 wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 11:53
Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 11:51

Everyone one of them is an over promoted ass kissing gimp.
I don't like Rubio. But I admit he may be the only adult in the cabinet.
Mr big shoes is an ass kissing gimp too, yesterday he was saying Murcia should leave Nato too, because well becuase Trump said ao probably.
Rubio is also full of crap. He is just as much in the swamp as the rest of them.

They have no credibility at all.

I used to think Tulsi Gabard was different but has allowed herself to go against her principles, which leaves only Thomas Massie and they hate him. At least he hasn't given up his morals and principles.

He hasn't got any 'clout' but he is, at least, speaking out.
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Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 13:14
Taansend wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 12:11
Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 09:20
All these Morons will get there comeuppance when the regime falls.
Will they?

We thought that last time & then especially so after January 6th & yet here we are.
I think so, they have done so much damage to America, surely they will be held to account.
By who? Or whom, I never know.

The Democrats are pretty much leaderless. Half the adult population is onboard with the trump corruption regime & seem OK with him making billions while they live month to month. In fact they still buy his merch & donate to him.

My only hope is the under 40 crowd band together. Otherwise I think this lot just skate off with their billions & the weird Christian Stepford Wife culture stays intact.
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Taansend wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 13:40
Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 13:14
Taansend wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 12:11

Will they?

We thought that last time & then especially so after January 6th & yet here we are.
I think so, they have done so much damage to America, surely they will be held to account.
By who? Or whom, I never know.

The Democrats are pretty much leaderless. Half the adult population is onboard with the trump corruption regime & seem OK with him making billions while they live month to month. In fact they still buy his merch & donate to him.

My only hope is the under 40 crowd band together. Otherwise I think this lot just skate off with their billions & the weird Christian Stepford Wife culture stays intact.
I think if the Dems get in they will make it their goal to destroy them.
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Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 14:26
I think if the Dems get in they will make it their goal to destroy them.
They didn't last time.

It would be nice if these pudenda were held accountable but they won't be.
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Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 14:26
Taansend wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 13:40
Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 13:14
I think so, they have done so much damage to America, surely they will be held to account.
By who? Or whom, I never know.

The Democrats are pretty much leaderless. Half the adult population is onboard with the trump corruption regime & seem OK with him making billions while they live month to month. In fact they still buy his merch & donate to him.

My only hope is the under 40 crowd band together. Otherwise I think this lot just skate off with their billions & the weird Christian Stepford Wife culture stays intact.
I think if the Dems get in they will make it their goal to destroy them.
One obvious thing they could add is that if a President ever calls into question the legitimacy of an Election, he will be automatically barred from running for anything.

If a man is a convicted felon. He can't run for office.

Can't fix the current problem, but can prevent a future retread of it.
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Trump to unveil $1.5 trillion defense budget, the largest yearly US military spending increase since World War II, Reuters reports.
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So much winning for the average Joe in the US, Skyrocketing prices, cuts to healthcare assistance, food stamps and welfare initiatives and now us sucking up huge amounts of money on defence spending.

But hey, Trumps inner circle and the defence contractors they are pally with, have never had it so good - so who gives a shit right?

It is looking increasingly likely, that Trump, like Netanyahu,. will spend the remainder of his time in office, waging war across the globe.
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gilgamesh wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 21:58
Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 14:26
Taansend wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 13:40

By who? Or whom, I never know.

The Democrats are pretty much leaderless. Half the adult population is onboard with the trump corruption regime & seem OK with him making billions while they live month to month. In fact they still buy his merch & donate to him.

My only hope is the under 40 crowd band together. Otherwise I think this lot just skate off with their billions & the weird Christian Stepford Wife culture stays intact.
I think if the Dems get in they will make it their goal to destroy them.
One obvious thing they could add is that if a President ever calls into question the legitimacy of an Election, he will be automatically barred from running for anything.

If a man is a convicted felon. He can't run for office.

Can't fix the current problem, but can prevent a future retread of it.
It is quite astonishing, that a sitting president, could try and overturn an election they lost, and run for office - how on earth can that be allowed to happen - I guess the founding fathers just never thought that anybody would do that, but you would have thought, or that no party would support a candidate who did so.

The great weakness of the US constitution, in the end, is that it relied on the good faith of elected officials, to do what is best for their country, rather than themselves,.

Despite the fact most republicans loathe Trump, and know he is a terrible president, they would rather keep their job, and with it the ability to make money by gaming the system,
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 09:34
gilgamesh wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 21:58
Nightmare Roy wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 14:26
I think if the Dems get in they will make it their goal to destroy them.
One obvious thing they could add is that if a President ever calls into question the legitimacy of an Election, he will be automatically barred from running for anything.

If a man is a convicted felon. He can't run for office.

Can't fix the current problem, but can prevent a future retread of it.
It is quite astonishing, that a sitting president, could try and overturn an election they lost, and run for office - how on earth can that be allowed to happen - I guess the founding fathers just never thought that anybody would do that, but you would have thought, or that no party would support a candidate who did so.

The great weakness of the US constitution, in the end, is that it relied on the good faith of elected officials, to do what is best for their country, rather than themselves,.

Despite the fact most republicans loathe Trump, and know he is a terrible president, they would rather keep their job, and with it the ability to make money by gaming the system,
No intelligent person respects Trump. But many intelligent people voted for him to game the system. Way too much BS in our system. I wasn't aware until the 2024 election that county clerks could hold up or even overturn elections by refusing to certify.
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Tony1244 wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 09:38
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 09:34
gilgamesh wrote: 02 Apr 2026, 21:58

One obvious thing they could add is that if a President ever calls into question the legitimacy of an Election, he will be automatically barred from running for anything.

If a man is a convicted felon. He can't run for office.

Can't fix the current problem, but can prevent a future retread of it.
It is quite astonishing, that a sitting president, could try and overturn an election they lost, and run for office - how on earth can that be allowed to happen - I guess the founding fathers just never thought that anybody would do that, but you would have thought, or that no party would support a candidate who did so.

The great weakness of the US constitution, in the end, is that it relied on the good faith of elected officials, to do what is best for their country, rather than themselves,.

Despite the fact most republicans loathe Trump, and know he is a terrible president, they would rather keep their job, and with it the ability to make money by gaming the system,
No intelligent person respects Trump. But many intelligent people voted for him to game the system. Way too much BS in our system. I wasn't aware until the 2024 election that county clerks could hold up or even overturn elections by refusing to certify.
There are smart people who despise Trump, that are also beneficiaries of his fiscal policies - who I consider to be traitors, because their own self interest overrides anything else.

Yes Trump has exposed the cracks in the system, all any administration needs is to flood those electoral commissions with loyalists, and then they can rig elections with ease. It takes time to do so however, and I don't believe that the administration is organised enough to do that within this term.,

The real danger is if MAGA survives beyond Trump, I don't believe it does, but I've been wrong before - if it does, and they manage to either cling to power beyond this term (with our without Trump still leading), either by somehow conning the public into voting for them again, or simply seizing power and shutting down elections - then they will have plenty of time to finish the orbanisation of the US.

Everybody was warned again and again what Trump was going to do, hell, project 2025 pretty much laid it out for all to see.

I had a friend who I talked to about this prior to the election and he said I was 'hysterical,' 'it's just rhetoric,' 'Project 2025 isn't real' and various

When I pointed him to a link to project 2025's documentation online, he countered with 'Oh, so you've read all 500 pages have you' as if failing to do so rendered any opinion on the matter irrelevant - apparenly as I'd only read a summary then it was not admissable as evidence.

When the rampant corruption, ICE shootings and trashinig of civil liberties gather momentum, when the administration started to crack down on media organisations, and exceed the legal limits of the presidency - he went quiet.

Before the election he kepts saying that Trump would do well for Americans, that there would be peace, and stability - when I pointed out how badly things were going his response?

"Nobody's interested in your woke socialist opinions any more."

I find people in the UK who are devoted to Trump exceptionally odd, I generally find devotion to anyone or anything other than your own family/friends and your own moral code very odd anyway, but worshipping a foreign president or any politician for that matter, but especially one you didn't even vote for, or indeed could vote for, is frankly disturbed.

I've lost touch with my friend now, he is a serious alchoholic, who fell off the wagon recently and somehow blamed me for not kissing his ass constantly, and telling him that he needed to go get help before he fucked his life up - which he did - as his landlord kicked him out, because he kept badgering the neighbours when he was pissed and coked up - and now he's back living with his 80 something parents again.

I wonder whether Trump appeals to people who are having a rough time of things - some sort of twisted messiah figure, who they think will solve all their problems somehow.

It really is quite baffling
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The certifying process is widely disputed by both sides.
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Word is Iran's shotdown an F-15.
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Seamus wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 12:06 Word is Iran's shotdown an F-15.
They have and captured the pilot, pretty amazing as the whole of their military has been destroyed according to Twump
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 10:01
Tony1244 wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 09:38
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 09:34

It is quite astonishing, that a sitting president, could try and overturn an election they lost, and run for office - how on earth can that be allowed to happen - I guess the founding fathers just never thought that anybody would do that, but you would have thought, or that no party would support a candidate who did so.

The great weakness of the US constitution, in the end, is that it relied on the good faith of elected officials, to do what is best for their country, rather than themselves,.

Despite the fact most republicans loathe Trump, and know he is a terrible president, they would rather keep their job, and with it the ability to make money by gaming the system,
No intelligent person respects Trump. But many intelligent people voted for him to game the system. Way too much BS in our system. I wasn't aware until the 2024 election that county clerks could hold up or even overturn elections by refusing to certify.
There are smart people who despise Trump, that are also beneficiaries of his fiscal policies - who I consider to be traitors, because their own self interest overrides anything else.

Yes Trump has exposed the cracks in the system, all any administration needs is to flood those electoral commissions with loyalists, and then they can rig elections with ease. It takes time to do so however, and I don't believe that the administration is organised enough to do that within this term.,

The real danger is if MAGA survives beyond Trump, I don't believe it does, but I've been wrong before - if it does, and they manage to either cling to power beyond this term (with our without Trump still leading), either by somehow conning the public into voting for them again, or simply seizing power and shutting down elections - then they will have plenty of time to finish the orbanisation of the US.

Everybody was warned again and again what Trump was going to do, hell, project 2025 pretty much laid it out for all to see.

I had a friend who I talked to about this prior to the election and he said I was 'hysterical,' 'it's just rhetoric,' 'Project 2025 isn't real' and various

When I pointed him to a link to project 2025's documentation online, he countered with 'Oh, so you've read all 500 pages have you' as if failing to do so rendered any opinion on the matter irrelevant - apparenly as I'd only read a summary then it was not admissable as evidence.

When the rampant corruption, ICE shootings and trashinig of civil liberties gather momentum, when the administration started to crack down on media organisations, and exceed the legal limits of the presidency - he went quiet.

Before the election he kepts saying that Trump would do well for Americans, that there would be peace, and stability - when I pointed out how badly things were going his response?

"Nobody's interested in your woke socialist opinions any more."

I find people in the UK who are devoted to Trump exceptionally odd, I generally find devotion to anyone or anything other than your own family/friends and your own moral code very odd anyway, but worshipping a foreign president or any politician for that matter, but especially one you didn't even vote for, or indeed could vote for, is frankly disturbed.

I've lost touch with my friend now, he is a serious alchoholic, who fell off the wagon recently and somehow blamed me for not kissing his ass constantly, and telling him that he needed to go get help before he fucked his life up - which he did - as his landlord kicked him out, because he kept badgering the neighbours when he was pissed and coked up - and now he's back living with his 80 something parents again.

I wonder whether Trump appeals to people who are having a rough time of things - some sort of twisted messiah figure, who they think will solve all their problems somehow.

It really is quite baffling
I don't think MAGA will survive Trump because it is a love affair with a man. It's not an ideology. Trump has flipped flopped on every issue; his base doesn't care. The love affair is either homoerotic and/or people who desperately need a daddy. After the January 6th arrests several suspects admitted to both.

It is exceptionally weird. Far weirder than the whole trans thing. Gender confusion pales in comparison to being in love with a fan and feigning like it's nonsexual; for the most part it isn't.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 10:01
Tony1244 wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 09:38
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 09:34

It is quite astonishing, that a sitting president, could try and overturn an election they lost, and run for office - how on earth can that be allowed to happen - I guess the founding fathers just never thought that anybody would do that, but you would have thought, or that no party would support a candidate who did so.

The great weakness of the US constitution, in the end, is that it relied on the good faith of elected officials, to do what is best for their country, rather than themselves,.

Despite the fact most republicans loathe Trump, and know he is a terrible president, they would rather keep their job, and with it the ability to make money by gaming the system,
No intelligent person respects Trump. But many intelligent people voted for him to game the system. Way too much BS in our system. I wasn't aware until the 2024 election that county clerks could hold up or even overturn elections by refusing to certify.
There are smart people who despise Trump, that are also beneficiaries of his fiscal policies - who I consider to be traitors, because their own self interest overrides anything else.

Yes Trump has exposed the cracks in the system, all any administration needs is to flood those electoral commissions with loyalists, and then they can rig elections with ease. It takes time to do so however, and I don't believe that the administration is organised enough to do that within this term.,

The real danger is if MAGA survives beyond Trump, I don't believe it does, but I've been wrong before - if it does, and they manage to either cling to power beyond this term (with our without Trump still leading), either by somehow conning the public into voting for them again, or simply seizing power and shutting down elections - then they will have plenty of time to finish the orbanisation of the US.

Everybody was warned again and again what Trump was going to do, hell, project 2025 pretty much laid it out for all to see.

I had a friend who I talked to about this prior to the election and he said I was 'hysterical,' 'it's just rhetoric,' 'Project 2025 isn't real' and various

When I pointed him to a link to project 2025's documentation online, he countered with 'Oh, so you've read all 500 pages have you' as if failing to do so rendered any opinion on the matter irrelevant - apparenly as I'd only read a summary then it was not admissable as evidence.

When the rampant corruption, ICE shootings and trashinig of civil liberties gather momentum, when the administration started to crack down on media organisations, and exceed the legal limits of the presidency - he went quiet.

Before the election he kepts saying that Trump would do well for Americans, that there would be peace, and stability - when I pointed out how badly things were going his response?

"Nobody's interested in your woke socialist opinions any more."

I find people in the UK who are devoted to Trump exceptionally odd, I generally find devotion to anyone or anything other than your own family/friends and your own moral code very odd anyway, but worshipping a foreign president or any politician for that matter, but especially one you didn't even vote for, or indeed could vote for, is frankly disturbed.

I've lost touch with my friend now, he is a serious alchoholic, who fell off the wagon recently and somehow blamed me for not kissing his ass constantly, and telling him that he needed to go get help before he fucked his life up - which he did - as his landlord kicked him out, because he kept badgering the neighbours when he was pissed and coked up - and now he's back living with his 80 something parents again.

I wonder whether Trump appeals to people who are having a rough time of things - some sort of twisted messiah figure, who they think will solve all their problems somehow.

It really is quite baffling
Everyone i personally know who supports Trump has a lot of that life ain't treating me fair, self pity thing going on.
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Seamus wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 12:06 Word is Iran's shotdown an F-15.
I wonder how many American soldiers will die while we're being told what a cakewalk this all is and how it'll be over next week for the 800th time.
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Tony1244 wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 12:36
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 10:01
Tony1244 wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 09:38

No intelligent person respects Trump. But many intelligent people voted for him to game the system. Way too much BS in our system. I wasn't aware until the 2024 election that county clerks could hold up or even overturn elections by refusing to certify.
There are smart people who despise Trump, that are also beneficiaries of his fiscal policies - who I consider to be traitors, because their own self interest overrides anything else.

Yes Trump has exposed the cracks in the system, all any administration needs is to flood those electoral commissions with loyalists, and then they can rig elections with ease. It takes time to do so however, and I don't believe that the administration is organised enough to do that within this term.,

The real danger is if MAGA survives beyond Trump, I don't believe it does, but I've been wrong before - if it does, and they manage to either cling to power beyond this term (with our without Trump still leading), either by somehow conning the public into voting for them again, or simply seizing power and shutting down elections - then they will have plenty of time to finish the orbanisation of the US.

Everybody was warned again and again what Trump was going to do, hell, project 2025 pretty much laid it out for all to see.

I had a friend who I talked to about this prior to the election and he said I was 'hysterical,' 'it's just rhetoric,' 'Project 2025 isn't real' and various

When I pointed him to a link to project 2025's documentation online, he countered with 'Oh, so you've read all 500 pages have you' as if failing to do so rendered any opinion on the matter irrelevant - apparenly as I'd only read a summary then it was not admissable as evidence.

When the rampant corruption, ICE shootings and trashinig of civil liberties gather momentum, when the administration started to crack down on media organisations, and exceed the legal limits of the presidency - he went quiet.

Before the election he kepts saying that Trump would do well for Americans, that there would be peace, and stability - when I pointed out how badly things were going his response?

"Nobody's interested in your woke socialist opinions any more."

I find people in the UK who are devoted to Trump exceptionally odd, I generally find devotion to anyone or anything other than your own family/friends and your own moral code very odd anyway, but worshipping a foreign president or any politician for that matter, but especially one you didn't even vote for, or indeed could vote for, is frankly disturbed.

I've lost touch with my friend now, he is a serious alchoholic, who fell off the wagon recently and somehow blamed me for not kissing his ass constantly, and telling him that he needed to go get help before he fucked his life up - which he did - as his landlord kicked him out, because he kept badgering the neighbours when he was pissed and coked up - and now he's back living with his 80 something parents again.

I wonder whether Trump appeals to people who are having a rough time of things - some sort of twisted messiah figure, who they think will solve all their problems somehow.

It really is quite baffling
I don't think MAGA will survive Trump because it is a love affair with a man. It's not an ideology. Trump has flipped flopped on every issue; his base doesn't care. The love affair is either homoerotic and/or people who desperately need a daddy. After the January 6th arrests several suspects admitted to both.

It is exceptionally weird. Far weirder than the whole trans thing. Gender confusion pales in comparison to being in love with a fan and feigning like it's nonsexual; for the most part it isn't.
I concur - I think the movement dies with Trump - it's a cult, and when the cult leader dies, the cult usually goes with it.

Vance is a despicable piece of shit, who will do absolutely anything for power, there's no principle or belief he won't compromise as is well documented, but he has all the appeal of a fisting from Sonny Liston, still wearing his gloves. There is something genetically dislikeable about him.

Rubio, is a relative moderate - I also think he will be destroyed when Trump is gone, for selling out so badly, there were people who actually liked Rubio, not any more.
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gilgamesh wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 13:23
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 10:01
Tony1244 wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 09:38

No intelligent person respects Trump. But many intelligent people voted for him to game the system. Way too much BS in our system. I wasn't aware until the 2024 election that county clerks could hold up or even overturn elections by refusing to certify.
There are smart people who despise Trump, that are also beneficiaries of his fiscal policies - who I consider to be traitors, because their own self interest overrides anything else.

Yes Trump has exposed the cracks in the system, all any administration needs is to flood those electoral commissions with loyalists, and then they can rig elections with ease. It takes time to do so however, and I don't believe that the administration is organised enough to do that within this term.,

The real danger is if MAGA survives beyond Trump, I don't believe it does, but I've been wrong before - if it does, and they manage to either cling to power beyond this term (with our without Trump still leading), either by somehow conning the public into voting for them again, or simply seizing power and shutting down elections - then they will have plenty of time to finish the orbanisation of the US.

Everybody was warned again and again what Trump was going to do, hell, project 2025 pretty much laid it out for all to see.

I had a friend who I talked to about this prior to the election and he said I was 'hysterical,' 'it's just rhetoric,' 'Project 2025 isn't real' and various

When I pointed him to a link to project 2025's documentation online, he countered with 'Oh, so you've read all 500 pages have you' as if failing to do so rendered any opinion on the matter irrelevant - apparenly as I'd only read a summary then it was not admissable as evidence.

When the rampant corruption, ICE shootings and trashinig of civil liberties gather momentum, when the administration started to crack down on media organisations, and exceed the legal limits of the presidency - he went quiet.

Before the election he kepts saying that Trump would do well for Americans, that there would be peace, and stability - when I pointed out how badly things were going his response?

"Nobody's interested in your woke socialist opinions any more."

I find people in the UK who are devoted to Trump exceptionally odd, I generally find devotion to anyone or anything other than your own family/friends and your own moral code very odd anyway, but worshipping a foreign president or any politician for that matter, but especially one you didn't even vote for, or indeed could vote for, is frankly disturbed.

I've lost touch with my friend now, he is a serious alchoholic, who fell off the wagon recently and somehow blamed me for not kissing his ass constantly, and telling him that he needed to go get help before he fucked his life up - which he did - as his landlord kicked him out, because he kept badgering the neighbours when he was pissed and coked up - and now he's back living with his 80 something parents again.

I wonder whether Trump appeals to people who are having a rough time of things - some sort of twisted messiah figure, who they think will solve all their problems somehow.

It really is quite baffling
Everyone i personally know who supports Trump has a lot of that life ain't treating me fair, self pity thing going on.
Makes sense, - Trump's platform is one grievance and retribution.
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I think the worst thing that could happen, is that Trump is killed whilst in office, that would make him into a Martyr, and then MAGA might live on, with Trump revered like some sort of latter day saint, or perhaps a fat orange bloviating che guevara.
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Tony1244 wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 12:36
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 10:01
Tony1244 wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 09:38

No intelligent person respects Trump. But many intelligent people voted for him to game the system. Way too much BS in our system. I wasn't aware until the 2024 election that county clerks could hold up or even overturn elections by refusing to certify.
There are smart people who despise Trump, that are also beneficiaries of his fiscal policies - who I consider to be traitors, because their own self interest overrides anything else.

Yes Trump has exposed the cracks in the system, all any administration needs is to flood those electoral commissions with loyalists, and then they can rig elections with ease. It takes time to do so however, and I don't believe that the administration is organised enough to do that within this term.,

The real danger is if MAGA survives beyond Trump, I don't believe it does, but I've been wrong before - if it does, and they manage to either cling to power beyond this term (with our without Trump still leading), either by somehow conning the public into voting for them again, or simply seizing power and shutting down elections - then they will have plenty of time to finish the orbanisation of the US.

Everybody was warned again and again what Trump was going to do, hell, project 2025 pretty much laid it out for all to see.

I had a friend who I talked to about this prior to the election and he said I was 'hysterical,' 'it's just rhetoric,' 'Project 2025 isn't real' and various

When I pointed him to a link to project 2025's documentation online, he countered with 'Oh, so you've read all 500 pages have you' as if failing to do so rendered any opinion on the matter irrelevant - apparenly as I'd only read a summary then it was not admissable as evidence.

When the rampant corruption, ICE shootings and trashinig of civil liberties gather momentum, when the administration started to crack down on media organisations, and exceed the legal limits of the presidency - he went quiet.

Before the election he kepts saying that Trump would do well for Americans, that there would be peace, and stability - when I pointed out how badly things were going his response?

"Nobody's interested in your woke socialist opinions any more."

I find people in the UK who are devoted to Trump exceptionally odd, I generally find devotion to anyone or anything other than your own family/friends and your own moral code very odd anyway, but worshipping a foreign president or any politician for that matter, but especially one you didn't even vote for, or indeed could vote for, is frankly disturbed.

I've lost touch with my friend now, he is a serious alchoholic, who fell off the wagon recently and somehow blamed me for not kissing his ass constantly, and telling him that he needed to go get help before he fucked his life up - which he did - as his landlord kicked him out, because he kept badgering the neighbours when he was pissed and coked up - and now he's back living with his 80 something parents again.

I wonder whether Trump appeals to people who are having a rough time of things - some sort of twisted messiah figure, who they think will solve all their problems somehow.

It really is quite baffling
I don't think MAGA will survive Trump because it is a love affair with a man. It's not an ideology. Trump has flipped flopped on every issue; his base doesn't care. The love affair is either homoerotic and/or people who desperately need a daddy. After the January 6th arrests several suspects admitted to both.

It is exceptionally weird. Far weirder than the whole trans thing. Gender confusion pales in comparison to being in love with a fan and feigning like it's nonsexual; for the most part it isn't.
It's a cult. And it won't survive because there's no heir apparent with anywhere near the appeal of Trump. You have to remember that Trump was a huge name before he turned to politics. You ask the average Joe to name three businessmen in America and none of them are going to tell you the CEOs of Walmart, General Motors or Proctor and Gamble. They're going to say Bezos, Trump and Bill Gates. There is simply no-one with that name appeal there in Maga. The only person that could theoretically take over the reigns is Elon Musk, but he can't be president.

That said, the simmering racism and misogyny that is Maga will survive and like a cancer will pop up again when the next "hate preacher" appears.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 13:37 I think the worst thing that could happen, is that Trump is killed whilst in office, that would make him into a Martyr, and then MAGA might live on, with Trump revered like some sort of latter day saint, or perhaps a fat orange bloviating che guevara.
Yepp like Saint Charlie Kirk.

I don't want Trump to die in office. I want to see what happens when the Dems get control of all three houses again and get to the bottom of the Epstein files.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 13:37 I think the worst thing that could happen, is that Trump is killed whilst in office, that would make him into a Martyr, and then MAGA might live on, with Trump revered like some sort of latter day saint, or perhaps a fat orange bloviating che guevara.
Or even if they vote to Impeach him. No matter what he does. No matter how badly he tanks America. If he's impeached, he's being mistreated and it's unfair to him.

It's unfair to all of 'em mind you. All the time. All of it. Life is unfair to 'em all. It's just peachy for all of us. All of us that didn't want Trump to win just get whatever we want, but not them.
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conan_the_cribber wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 13:43
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 03 Apr 2026, 13:37 I think the worst thing that could happen, is that Trump is killed whilst in office, that would make him into a Martyr, and then MAGA might live on, with Trump revered like some sort of latter day saint, or perhaps a fat orange bloviating che guevara.
Yepp like Saint Charlie Kirk.

I don't want Trump to die in office. I want to see what happens when the Dems get control of all three houses again and get to the bottom of the Epstein files.
Nothing will ever be done about the Epstein files. Too many people will stand in the way of it.

It may be revealed someday and branded as "Propaganda" by some foreign country who is trying to unite people against the Great Evil that is America, and it could be used as the proof of how evil we are.
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