Trump attacks Iran

[jamesmcdonnell]

I had a very funny conversation with a very old friend of mine today.

He's a lovely guy deep down, but over the years his political views have become more and more right wing and entrenched; he was always complaining how in the modern world, everything was against him, and how people of colour, women, gays and lesbians, transexuals - you get the idea - were all being pushed to the front of the queue for jobs, whilst he now was languishing in the scrap heap (he isn't) and everything was so difficult.

Obviously, I pointed out that as a white english speaking male in the UK, he has had almost every conceivable advantage given on a plate, free healthcare, free education (as it was then) and that he had made millions of pounds in his career in finance, owned his own house outright, was able to buy a house for his mum in her final years, and generally life was pretty good to him, and the main reasons he was finding it hard now, is the fact he is now in his mid fifties, and also because he hitched his wagon to Neil Woodford, and stayed far too long when things started to go pearshaped, and his reputation had taken a battering.

He wouldn't have a bar of it, and had been becoming more and more irritated, and was constantly banging on about reform, and how they were going to make everything like it used to be, and that without all these immigrants everything was going to magically return to a golden era, he would lose weight, his nut sack would tighten, and his hair would grow back, and other such guff.

Anyway, he's had a couple of health scares of late, and I don't know whether or not that's changed his outlook, but today I had a call with him, and he was waxing lyrical about a new fund he is raising for, which was a female run VC company, who are trying to raise money so they can help businesses led by founders who are usually marginalised.

Some of what he told me was truly staggering, only 2% of VC funding goes to businesses operated and owned by women, VC funding to minorities, is less than 0.2% of the global capital allocation, and 53% of all global capital are controlled by men who went to either yale or harvard!

As astonishing as those figures are, what was more astonishing hearing him say those words - it was like he had been possessed.

He said that the firm they were raising for, fell well below the usual bar in terms of size of the funding required, and that they were charging way below their usual fees, and actually investing 50k of them

He started to talk about his mum, and how hard she struggled to raise him, and wasn't ever able to get ahead enough to buy her own home after his dad walked out on her - something that also happened to my mum.

I said to him "So now do you realise why these DEI initiatives were put in place in the first case - the world is massively stacked in favour of people like us and has been for generations."

He didn't say anything, but he's obviously had some sort of road to damascus moment of late.

[Nightmare Roy]

There are smart people who despise Trump, that are also beneficiaries of his fiscal policies - who I consider to be traitors, because their own self interest overrides anything else.

Yes Trump has exposed the cracks in the system, all any administration needs is to flood those electoral commissions with loyalists, and then they can rig elections with ease. It takes time to do so however, and I don't believe that the administration is organised enough to do that within this term.,

The real danger is if MAGA survives beyond Trump, I don't believe it does, but I've been wrong before - if it does, and they manage to either cling to power beyond this term (with our without Trump still leading), either by somehow conning the public into voting for them again, or simply seizing power and shutting down elections - then they will have plenty of time to finish the orbanisation of the US.

Everybody was warned again and again what Trump was going to do, hell, project 2025 pretty much laid it out for all to see.

I had a friend who I talked to about this prior to the election and he said I was 'hysterical,' 'it's just rhetoric,' 'Project 2025 isn't real' and various

When I pointed him to a link to project 2025's documentation online, he countered with 'Oh, so you've read all 500 pages have you' as if failing to do so rendered any opinion on the matter irrelevant - apparenly as I'd only read a summary then it was not admissable as evidence.

When the rampant corruption, ICE shootings and trashinig of civil liberties gather momentum, when the administration started to crack down on media organisations, and exceed the legal limits of the presidency - he went quiet.

Before the election he kepts saying that Trump would do well for Americans, that there would be peace, and stability - when I pointed out how badly things were going his response?

"Nobody's interested in your woke socialist opinions any more."

I find people in the UK who are devoted to Trump exceptionally odd, I generally find devotion to anyone or anything other than your own family/friends and your own moral code very odd anyway, but worshipping a foreign president or any politician for that matter, but especially one you didn't even vote for, or indeed could vote for, is frankly disturbed.

I've lost touch with my friend now, he is a serious alchoholic, who fell off the wagon recently and somehow blamed me for not kissing his ass constantly, and telling him that he needed to go get help before he fucked his life up - which he did - as his landlord kicked him out, because he kept badgering the neighbours when he was pissed and coked up - and now he's back living with his 80 something parents again.

I wonder whether Trump appeals to people who are having a rough time of things - some sort of twisted messiah figure, who they think will solve all their problems somehow.

It really is quite baffling

I don't think MAGA will survive Trump because it is a love affair with a man. It's not an ideology. Trump has flipped flopped on every issue; his base doesn't care. The love affair is either homoerotic and/or people who desperately need a daddy. After the January 6th arrests several suspects admitted to both.

It is exceptionally weird. Far weirder than the whole trans thing. Gender confusion pales in comparison to being in love with a fan and feigning like it's nonsexual; for the most part it isn't.

I concur - I think the movement dies with Trump - it's a cult, and when the cult leader dies, the cult usually goes with it.

Vance is a despicable piece of shit, who will do absolutely anything for power, there's no principle or belief he won't compromise as is well documented, but he has all the appeal of a fisting from Sonny Liston, still wearing his gloves. There is something genetically dislikeable about him.

Rubio, is a relative moderate - I also think he will be destroyed when Trump is gone, for selling out so badly, there were people who actually liked Rubio, not any more.

A fisting from Sonny Liston, now that's an image

[Nightmare Roy]

No intelligent person respects Trump. But many intelligent people voted for him to game the system. Way too much BS in our system. I wasn't aware until the 2024 election that county clerks could hold up or even overturn elections by refusing to certify.

There are smart people who despise Trump, that are also beneficiaries of his fiscal policies - who I consider to be traitors, because their own self interest overrides anything else.

Yes Trump has exposed the cracks in the system, all any administration needs is to flood those electoral commissions with loyalists, and then they can rig elections with ease. It takes time to do so however, and I don't believe that the administration is organised enough to do that within this term.,

The real danger is if MAGA survives beyond Trump, I don't believe it does, but I've been wrong before - if it does, and they manage to either cling to power beyond this term (with our without Trump still leading), either by somehow conning the public into voting for them again, or simply seizing power and shutting down elections - then they will have plenty of time to finish the orbanisation of the US.

Everybody was warned again and again what Trump was going to do, hell, project 2025 pretty much laid it out for all to see.

I had a friend who I talked to about this prior to the election and he said I was 'hysterical,' 'it's just rhetoric,' 'Project 2025 isn't real' and various

When I pointed him to a link to project 2025's documentation online, he countered with 'Oh, so you've read all 500 pages have you' as if failing to do so rendered any opinion on the matter irrelevant - apparenly as I'd only read a summary then it was not admissable as evidence.

When the rampant corruption, ICE shootings and trashinig of civil liberties gather momentum, when the administration started to crack down on media organisations, and exceed the legal limits of the presidency - he went quiet.

Before the election he kepts saying that Trump would do well for Americans, that there would be peace, and stability - when I pointed out how badly things were going his response?

"Nobody's interested in your woke socialist opinions any more."

I find people in the UK who are devoted to Trump exceptionally odd, I generally find devotion to anyone or anything other than your own family/friends and your own moral code very odd anyway, but worshipping a foreign president or any politician for that matter, but especially one you didn't even vote for, or indeed could vote for, is frankly disturbed.

I've lost touch with my friend now, he is a serious alchoholic, who fell off the wagon recently and somehow blamed me for not kissing his ass constantly, and telling him that he needed to go get help before he fucked his life up - which he did - as his landlord kicked him out, because he kept badgering the neighbours when he was pissed and coked up - and now he's back living with his 80 something parents again.

I wonder whether Trump appeals to people who are having a rough time of things - some sort of twisted messiah figure, who they think will solve all their problems somehow.

It really is quite baffling

Everyone i personally know who supports Trump has a lot of that life ain't treating me fair, self pity thing going on.

They need to pull up their boot straps! I know plenty of people here who habe nothing, don't own their own homes, they think Nigel Farridge is gonna make their lives great, the first thing he's gonna do is take away rights from renters and help slumlords!

[Ambling Alp II]

The leadership of Iran is also evil. I'm ok with the US financing regime change even though the change usually winds up worse. Let the Saudis or Israeli supply the troops,. Not US.

Of course, the Iran leadership is evil. But you can say that about the leadership of a lot of countries, including the United States.
We have no right to just go into another country and start attacking them for reason.

Look at the results so far: There are American soldiers that are dead because of this unnecessary act.
Over 100 young school girls were killed.
Countless other people have been killed or at least injured.

[Tony1244]

The leadership of Iran is also evil. I'm ok with the US financing regime change even though the change usually winds up worse. Let the Saudis or Israeli supply the troops,. Not US.

Of course, the Iran leadership is evil. But you can say that about the leadership of a lot of countries, including the United States.
We have no right to just go into another country and start attacking them for reason.

Look at the results so far: There are American soldiers that are dead because of this unnecessary act.
Over 100 young school girls were killed.
Countless other people have been killed or at least injured.

My vote is now "no." Agree other than I'm not unhappy that the Iranian's leadership has been maimed.

[jamesmcdonnell]

There are smart people who despise Trump, that are also beneficiaries of his fiscal policies - who I consider to be traitors, because their own self interest overrides anything else.

Yes Trump has exposed the cracks in the system, all any administration needs is to flood those electoral commissions with loyalists, and then they can rig elections with ease. It takes time to do so however, and I don't believe that the administration is organised enough to do that within this term.,

The real danger is if MAGA survives beyond Trump, I don't believe it does, but I've been wrong before - if it does, and they manage to either cling to power beyond this term (with our without Trump still leading), either by somehow conning the public into voting for them again, or simply seizing power and shutting down elections - then they will have plenty of time to finish the orbanisation of the US.

Everybody was warned again and again what Trump was going to do, hell, project 2025 pretty much laid it out for all to see.

I had a friend who I talked to about this prior to the election and he said I was 'hysterical,' 'it's just rhetoric,' 'Project 2025 isn't real' and various

When I pointed him to a link to project 2025's documentation online, he countered with 'Oh, so you've read all 500 pages have you' as if failing to do so rendered any opinion on the matter irrelevant - apparenly as I'd only read a summary then it was not admissable as evidence.

When the rampant corruption, ICE shootings and trashinig of civil liberties gather momentum, when the administration started to crack down on media organisations, and exceed the legal limits of the presidency - he went quiet.

Before the election he kepts saying that Trump would do well for Americans, that there would be peace, and stability - when I pointed out how badly things were going his response?

"Nobody's interested in your woke socialist opinions any more."

I find people in the UK who are devoted to Trump exceptionally odd, I generally find devotion to anyone or anything other than your own family/friends and your own moral code very odd anyway, but worshipping a foreign president or any politician for that matter, but especially one you didn't even vote for, or indeed could vote for, is frankly disturbed.

I've lost touch with my friend now, he is a serious alchoholic, who fell off the wagon recently and somehow blamed me for not kissing his ass constantly, and telling him that he needed to go get help before he fucked his life up - which he did - as his landlord kicked him out, because he kept badgering the neighbours when he was pissed and coked up - and now he's back living with his 80 something parents again.

I wonder whether Trump appeals to people who are having a rough time of things - some sort of twisted messiah figure, who they think will solve all their problems somehow.

It really is quite baffling

Everyone i personally know who supports Trump has a lot of that life ain't treating me fair, self pity thing going on.

They need to pull up their boot straps! I know plenty of people here who habe nothing, don't own their own homes, they think Nigel Farridge is gonna make their lives great, the first thing he's gonna do is take away rights from renters and help slumlords!

He will be selling of the NHS to big American healthcare companies quicker than you can say "goosestepping frog-faced traitorous pudendum."

[conan_the_cribber]

[Ruthless-RKO]

They really didn’t think this was through did they??

[SticknMove]

The failings of democracies with never ending shifts in domestic and world events and opinion based on that against solid/loose authoritarian governance?

[Tony1244]

And Gordon Liddy, who is a convicted burglar, gives advice on buying gold and George Foreman, one of the hardest punchers in boxing history gives advice on cooking grills and inventions. Weird time to be alive. Oh did I mention Dr. Ron Paul is somehow a Constitutional scholar and expert on the gold standard? All the same guy.

[Seamus]

It's amazing how incredibly obtuse most of you here are, giving your informed opinions about what you refer to as the "MAGA Movement" and what will happen to it next. It's never dawned on any of you that fanatical support for Trump isn't based on him being some leader who is so charismatic he can get his followers to do absolutely anything. For a moment it seemed like some of you were displaying a bit of common sense when you acknowledged that even MAGA supporters were turning against Trump over the War with Iran, but now it looks like we're right back where we started. So I'll clue you in. Many Americans do fanatically support Trump, but it's contingent upon him enforcing immigration control, opposing Woke idealogy and everything the Democratic Party stands for, etc. Many are very unhappy with the War, but at the moment what option do we have ? Reject Trump and turn Democrat ? If the shoe were on the other foot and a popular Democrat did something you really disagreed with would you switch over to the Republicans ? No, you wouldn't., and I for one honestly wouldn't accuse you of being a cult follower when you didn't.

[Perkin Warbeck]

Two American jets shot down today, and a rescue plane (warthog) also shot down. Two Blackhawk helicopters also hit.

Trump said a couple of days ago that Iran no longer has the capability to shoot down aircraft.

[SticknMove]

I had a very funny conversation with a very old friend of mine today.

He's a lovely guy deep down, but over the years his political views have become more and more right wing and entrenched; he was always complaining how in the modern world, everything was against him, and how people of colour, women, gays and lesbians, transexuals - you get the idea - were all being pushed to the front of the queue for jobs, whilst he now was languishing in the scrap heap (he isn't) and everything was so difficult.

Obviously, I pointed out that as a white english speaking male in the UK, he has had almost every conceivable advantage given on a plate, free healthcare, free education (as it was then) and that he had made millions of pounds in his career in finance, owned his own house outright, was able to buy a house for his mum in her final years, and generally life was pretty good to him, and the main reasons he was finding it hard now, is the fact he is now in his mid fifties, and also because he hitched his wagon to Neil Woodford, and stayed far too long when things started to go pearshaped, and his reputation had taken a battering.

He wouldn't have a bar of it, and had been becoming more and more irritated, and was constantly banging on about reform, and how they were going to make everything like it used to be, and that without all these immigrants everything was going to magically return to a golden era, he would lose weight, his nut sack would tighten, and his hair would grow back, and other such guff.

Anyway, he's had a couple of health scares of late, and I don't know whether or not that's changed his outlook, but today I had a call with him, and he was waxing lyrical about a new fund he is raising for, which was a female run VC company, who are trying to raise money so they can help businesses led by founders who are usually marginalised.

Some of what he told me was truly staggering, only 2% of VC funding goes to businesses operated and owned by women, VC funding to minorities, is less than 0.2% of the global capital allocation, and 53% of all global capital are controlled by men who went to either yale or harvard!

As astonishing as those figures are, what was more astonishing hearing him say those words - it was like he had been possessed.

He said that the firm they were raising for, fell well below the usual bar in terms of size of the funding required, and that they were charging way below their usual fees, and actually investing 50k of them

He started to talk about his mum, and how hard she struggled to raise him, and wasn't ever able to get ahead enough to buy her own home after his dad walked out on her - something that also happened to my mum.

I said to him "So now do you realise why these DEI initiatives were put in place in the first case - the world is massively stacked in favour of people like us and has been for generations."

He didn't say anything, but he's obviously had some sort of road to damascus moment of late.

Is that true James or artistic license. Good Luck with your novel.

[jamesmcdonnell]

It's amazing how incredibly obtuse most of you here are, giving your informed opinions about what you refer to as the "MAGA Movement" and what will happen to it next. It's never dawned on any of you that fanatical support for Trump isn't based on him being some leader who is so charismatic he can get his followers to do absolutely anything. For a moment it seemed like some of you were displaying a bit of common sense when you acknowledged that even MAGA supporters were turning against Trump over the War with Iran, but now it looks like we're right back where we started. So I'll clue you in. Many Americans do fanatically support Trump, but it's contingent upon him enforcing immigration control, opposing Woke idealogy and everything the Democratic Party stands for, etc. Many are very unhappy with the War, but at the moment what option do we have ? Reject Trump and turn Democrat ? If the shoe were on the other foot and a popular Democrat did something you really disagreed with would you switch over to the Republicans ? No, you wouldn't., and I for one honestly wouldn't accuse you of being a cult follower when you didn't.

Cool story bro.

[Ricky]

I had a very funny conversation with a very old friend of mine today.

He's a lovely guy deep down, but over the years his political views have become more and more right wing and entrenched; he was always complaining how in the modern world, everything was against him, and how people of colour, women, gays and lesbians, transexuals - you get the idea - were all being pushed to the front of the queue for jobs, whilst he now was languishing in the scrap heap (he isn't) and everything was so difficult.

Obviously, I pointed out that as a white english speaking male in the UK, he has had almost every conceivable advantage given on a plate, free healthcare, free education (as it was then) and that he had made millions of pounds in his career in finance, owned his own house outright, was able to buy a house for his mum in her final years, and generally life was pretty good to him, and the main reasons he was finding it hard now, is the fact he is now in his mid fifties, and also because he hitched his wagon to Neil Woodford, and stayed far too long when things started to go pearshaped, and his reputation had taken a battering.

He wouldn't have a bar of it, and had been becoming more and more irritated, and was constantly banging on about reform, and how they were going to make everything like it used to be, and that without all these immigrants everything was going to magically return to a golden era, he would lose weight, his nut sack would tighten, and his hair would grow back, and other such guff.

Anyway, he's had a couple of health scares of late, and I don't know whether or not that's changed his outlook, but today I had a call with him, and he was waxing lyrical about a new fund he is raising for, which was a female run VC company, who are trying to raise money so they can help businesses led by founders who are usually marginalised.

Some of what he told me was truly staggering, only 2% of VC funding goes to businesses operated and owned by women, VC funding to minorities, is less than 0.2% of the global capital allocation, and 53% of all global capital are controlled by men who went to either yale or harvard!

As astonishing as those figures are, what was more astonishing hearing him say those words - it was like he had been possessed.

He said that the firm they were raising for, fell well below the usual bar in terms of size of the funding required, and that they were charging way below their usual fees, and actually investing 50k of them

He started to talk about his mum, and how hard she struggled to raise him, and wasn't ever able to get ahead enough to buy her own home after his dad walked out on her - something that also happened to my mum.

I said to him "So now do you realise why these DEI initiatives were put in place in the first case - the world is massively stacked in favour of people like us and has been for generations."

He didn't say anything, but he's obviously had some sort of road to damascus moment of late.

Is that true James or artistic license. Good Luck with your novel.

"The guy in the shop".

[Ambling Alp II]

It's amazing how incredibly obtuse most of you here are, giving your informed opinions about what you refer to as the "MAGA Movement" and what will happen to it next. It's never dawned on any of you that fanatical support for Trump isn't based on him being some leader who is so charismatic he can get his followers to do absolutely anything. For a moment it seemed like some of you were displaying a bit of common sense when you acknowledged that even MAGA supporters were turning against Trump over the War with Iran, but now it looks like we're right back where we started. So I'll clue you in. Many Americans do fanatically support Trump, but it's contingent upon him enforcing immigration control, opposing Woke idealogy and everything the Democratic Party stands for, etc. Many are very unhappy with the War, but at the moment what option do we have ? Reject Trump and turn Democrat ? If the shoe were on the other foot and a popular Democrat did something you really disagreed with would you switch over to the Republicans ? No, you wouldn't., and I for one honestly wouldn't accuse you of being a cult follower when you didn't.

What other option do you have?
Well for starters you should be ripping Trump liyerally everday for bad things that he says and does.
And support some other Republican.
Let your Republican Congressman know you don't support Trump.

f the shoe were on the other foot and a popular Democrat did something you really disagreed with would you switch over to the Republicans ? No, you wouldn't., and I for one honestly wouldn't accuse you of being a cult follower when you didn't.

That total bullshit. Did something? Like one thing? Trump does something awful literally every day.

If a Democrat President would have not fought COVID like Trump, I would have stuck up my nose and voted say Rubio or Cruz or some other Republican douche bag.

Same if a Democrat President tried to steal an election.
Same if a Democrat President would have urged on the January 6 Insurrection.
Same if a Democratic President would have pushed ICE agents to attack and sometimes kill people.
Same if a Democrat President would have boomed Iran for no legitimate reason.

just one of these things would have made anyone the worst President we ever had.
And Trump has done all of these awful things and much more.

You could be criticizing Trump every day. You do it like once a year.

[IKSRTFO]

It's amazing how incredibly obtuse most of you here are, giving your informed opinions about what you refer to as the "MAGA Movement" and what will happen to it next. It's never dawned on any of you that fanatical support for Trump isn't based on him being some leader who is so charismatic he can get his followers to do absolutely anything. For a moment it seemed like some of you were displaying a bit of common sense when you acknowledged that even MAGA supporters were turning against Trump over the War with Iran, but now it looks like we're right back where we started. So I'll clue you in. Many Americans do fanatically support Trump, but it's contingent upon him enforcing immigration control, opposing Woke idealogy and everything the Democratic Party stands for, etc. Many are very unhappy with the War, but at the moment what option do we have ? Reject Trump and turn Democrat ? If the shoe were on the other foot and a popular Democrat did something you really disagreed with would you switch over to the Republicans ? No, you wouldn't., and I for one honestly wouldn't accuse you of being a cult follower when you didn't.

Trump did had an uptick in Latino and African American men voting for him in the last election. I'm pretty sure this percentage didn't fall out the sky (or did it?)
Most wouldn't, but they would vote independent or not at all. Harris and Clinton lost primarily because Democrats felt they were forced on them.

[gilgamesh]

Trump gives more reasons not to be President in 1 month than most Presidents give in 2 full terms.

He's been in Office for his 2nd term for a little over a year and a half. The Economy is failing at a rapid pace with Businesses going bankrupt, and ceasing operations all over. Coming to your town soon if it hasn't hit already. The Immigration Border Patrol people ICE have killed 2 American Citizens during his term as opposed to the 0 they've killed in every other President's term.

The gas prices are rising at an astronomical pace. We've gotten into a War which he promised he wouldn't do. He's hidden all the vital information in the Epstein files even though his intent was to "Drain the Swamp" he's made sure to redact all vital info, and protect literally everyone that should've been named and shamed including any Democrats on the list along obviously with himself, and his buddies.

Oh and don't forget, he pardoned all the Traitors who attacked our Nation's Capitol on January 6th, 2021. Many of whom have committed new crimes since then.

[MasterG]

48 hours and all hell is going to let loose.

What does this mean for Iran? Does that mean Trump is going to bomb them rigid?

[Nightmare Roy]

48 hours and all hell is going to let loose.

What does this mean for Iran? Does that mean Trump is going to bomb them rigid?

It means he's desperate, they don't want a ceasefire. Word is some Iranian tribe has just shot down two helicopters

[Tony1244]

Iran's leadership doesn't care about casualties. They just want to remain in power. Come to think of it the same holds true for Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, and the rest of the do-gooders.

[hhaehre]

Iran's leadership doesn't care about casualties. They just want to remain in power. Come to think of it the same holds true for Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, and the rest of the do-gooders.

Yeah, the only difference is that Trump—and I suppose Netanyahu—still have to worry about elections. Trump already had his bluff called, yet here he goes again. Even the markets have wised up to his bs by now.

[Ruthless-RKO]

This is crazy!

Imagine. You’re the pilot knowing you about to land on the ground but you have Iranians waiting for you?

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Tony1244]

Don't get my hopes up.