Is Andy Burnham the Messiah?

[MasterG]

So is this the guy who is going to stop Reform getting into number 10?

[Nightmare Roy]

I'd like to think Farridge will stop them getting in now he's been proven to be taking huge bribes to help enrich some Billionaire Crypto bro. As for Burnham, he's a good talker with a proven track record. However he might not even win that seat, I’ve seen a lot of London based media think he'll walk it, I'm really not so sure.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Sadly, Burnha is just another Zionist shitbag shill - he will do feck all that is going to give me much encouragement - no doubt he will also be in the pocket of big business.

No idea who I can really vote for now, there's really not a great deal to be enthusiastic about. Lib Dems are probably the least worrisome/offensive to me now.

I'm over Labour, they don't exist any more in any real sense, - the thing is though, the same people who complain about them not representing the working man, are the same ones who said Corbyn was a communist, so I am not sure what it is people really want.

If you want any meaningful change, you can't just keep shuffling the deck with the same old cards.

Unfortunately, Reform are just like the Trump cartel, it will be vested interests on steroids, with mass theft of public money, massive tax breaks for the super wealthy, and the tech bros will descend on the country with greater vigour, and we will become a right wing vassal state of the right wing authoritarian mob.

Politics right now, is incredibly dissapointing.

[Ricky]

Sadly, Burnha is just another Zionist shitbag shill

What a hateful bigot you really are.

[Nightmare Roy]

Sadly, Burnha is just another Zionist shitbag shill

What a hateful bigot you really are.

pot's n kettle's much

[Gnome]

Sadly, Burnha is just another Zionist shitbag shill

That's your first reaction? That he's a "Zionist"? What does that have to do with the price of eggs? This is the UK, not the bloody Middle East. Give yourself an uppercut, yeesh.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Sadly, Burnha is just another Zionist shitbag shill

That's your first reaction? That he's a "Zionist"? What does that have to do with the price of eggs? This is the UK, not the bloody Middle East. Give yourself an uppercut, yeesh.

Nob off.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Sadly, Burnha is just another Zionist shitbag shill

What a hateful bigot you really are.

pot's n kettle's much

It would be lost on a thundercunt like Wicky 'punch your pudendum in' Pickewing, but opposing suppprt for Zionism doesnt make you a bigot, as Zionism is a distinct poltical movement independent of judaism, Israeli, or Jewish idemtity.

To clarify, Burnham himself is not i suppose a zionist himself, but is happy to support the cause pf expansion.

I guess caring what happens beyond your own boders is verboten. Imagine if Churchill had adopted the same attitude, i wonder where we might be now.

Im not voting for anybody who advocates maintaining the status quo currently of unconditional suppprt of a nation bent on endless war in the middle east.

[Ricky]

What a hateful bigot you really are.

pot's n kettle's much

It would be lost on a thundercunt like Wicky 'punch your pudendum in' Pickewing, but opposing suppprt for Zionism doesnt make you a bigot, as Zionism is a distinct poltical movement independent of judaism, Israeli, or Jewish idemtity.

To clarify, Burnham himself is not i suppose a zionist himself, but is happy to support the cause pf expansion.

I guess caring what happens beyond your own boders is verboten. Imagine if Churchill had adopted the same attitude, i wonder where we might be now.

Im not voting for anybody who advocates maintaining the status quo currently of unconditional suppprt of a nation bent on endless war in the middle east.

Ok, Greta.

I bet you wear.one of those black & white tea towels.

[Jaguar]

We should be evaluating Burnham on the basis of what he intends to do for the people of this nation in terms of health, education, transport, policing, taxation, welfare, defence and, of course, immigration - which should be priority no.1.

[jamesmcdonnell]

We should be evaluating Burnham on the basis of what he intends to do for the people of this nation in terms of health, education, transport, policing, taxation, welfare, defence and, of course, immigration - which should be priority no.1.

We should all evaluate politicians according to our own values, beliefs, desires and principles.

[Ned Stark]

We should be evaluating Burnham on the basis of what he intends to do for the people of this nation in terms of health, education, transport, policing, taxation, welfare, defence and, of course, immigration - which should be priority no.1.

We should all evaluate politicians according to our own values, beliefs, desires and principles.

Now to be fair. That is a good post

Please respect other people’s beliefs, values and principles too

[stujones]

Don't know if he has done himself much favours with how this has been handled - its not really his fault all of it.... but he is acting like he will singlehandily "save" labour and he is even saying as much.

Not saying I'm her biggest fan, and clearly Jess Phillips is no longer a Starmer fan, but what she says that he's acting a bit "entitled" does have a grain of truth to it.

A least the previous by election (that he didn't get nominated) there was a geniune need for a by election and there seemed to be at least something about "working with Starmer" (obviously there was going to be a leadership contest) as to why he wanted to run. Now he is only running for one sole purpose, I wonder why the people of Makersfield will think of that.

[jamesmcdonnell]

We should be evaluating Burnham on the basis of what he intends to do for the people of this nation in terms of health, education, transport, policing, taxation, welfare, defence and, of course, immigration - which should be priority no.1.

We should all evaluate politicians according to our own values, beliefs, desires and principles.

Now to be fair. That is a good post

Please respect other people’s beliefs, values and principles too

I do try, it is difficult of course, when people's views butt up against my own and are diametrically opposed to what I believe.

My objection was the 'we' - whih suggests that Jaguar is suggesting we all should share the same set of views on what is important, and what is not

Personally, living in a country where my government is not supporting mass killing of civilians by our allies is quite a big deal for me, I understand it might not be of a similar priority to others, but that doesn't mean I am not patriotic, or an antisemite.

[IRONFIST]

It's in the bag for Burnham, he has now said he thinks leaving the bloc has "been damaging" but that he is not proposing that the UK rejoins the EU.

"The last thing we should do right now is rerun those arguments," which will leave us in a "permanent rut", he says, adding that he respects "the decision made at the referendum".

The comments contrast with Wes Streeting, who has said he wants the UK to rejoin the EU and said Brexit was "catastrophic"...


Still a bit vague but should be enough to get him the by-election win and being crowned PM. The residents will also love the notion of having the PM as their local MP....

[Carlos Slim]

It's in the bag for Burnham, he has now said he thinks leaving the bloc has "been damaging" but that he is not proposing that the UK rejoins the EU.

"The last thing we should do right now is rerun those arguments," which will leave us in a "permanent rut", he says, adding that he respects "the decision made at the referendum".

The comments contrast with Wes Streeting, who has said he wants the UK to rejoin the EU and said Brexit was "catastrophic"...


Still a bit vague but should be enough to get him the by-election win and being crowned PM. The residents will also love the notion of having the PM as their local MP....

He isn't going to win that fornicating seat. Be told.

[IRONFIST]

It's in the bag for Burnham, he has now said he thinks leaving the bloc has "been damaging" but that he is not proposing that the UK rejoins the EU.

"The last thing we should do right now is rerun those arguments," which will leave us in a "permanent rut", he says, adding that he respects "the decision made at the referendum".

The comments contrast with Wes Streeting, who has said he wants the UK to rejoin the EU and said Brexit was "catastrophic"...


Still a bit vague but should be enough to get him the by-election win and being crowned PM. The residents will also love the notion of having the PM as their local MP....

He isn't going to win that fornicating seat. Be told.

You're usually good on politics predictions, Fraymondo (eg. Boris being removed etc) but your name change bet with Ricky suggests otherwise on recent form. Did you also back Kamala to win?

The bookies now have Burnham less than evens to become next PM and around 4/6 to win the by-election....

[jamesmcdonnell]

It's in the bag for Burnham, he has now said he thinks leaving the bloc has "been damaging" but that he is not proposing that the UK rejoins the EU.

"The last thing we should do right now is rerun those arguments," which will leave us in a "permanent rut", he says, adding that he respects "the decision made at the referendum".

The comments contrast with Wes Streeting, who has said he wants the UK to rejoin the EU and said Brexit was "catastrophic"...


Still a bit vague but should be enough to get him the by-election win and being crowned PM. The residents will also love the notion of having the PM as their local MP....

He isn't going to win that fornicating seat. Be told.

I realise that you have local knowledge, but certitude in politics at this point in time, is something generally in very short supply.

[IRONFIST]

Also rumours that the Greens will stand aside for Burnham or not put too much effort in, coupled with the Tories and Restore putting up candidates to take some of the Reform voters off them. My two-pence opinion Burnham wins big.

[Jaguar]

We should all evaluate politicians according to our own values, beliefs, desires and principles.

Now to be fair. That is a good post

Please respect other people’s beliefs, values and principles too

I do try, it is difficult of course, when people's views butt up against my own and are diametrically opposed to what I believe.

My objection was the 'we' - whih suggests that Jaguar is suggesting we all should share the same set of views on what is important, and what is not

Personally, living in a country where my government is not supporting mass killing of civilians by our allies is quite a big deal for me, I understand it might not be of a similar priority to others, but that doesn't mean I am not patriotic, or an antisemite.

A UK prime minister should prioritise the needs and wishes of the electorate (ie the British people). Although I have no idea if Andy Burnham is a Zionist, but suspect not.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Not directly, but a bought and paid for cheerleader for the zionist mission.

If nothing else, my own specific concerns aside, covert influence of all kinds, especially the most pernicious, in the form of political donation, gifts, foreign excursions, etc etc, need to be rooted out, if the electorate are to have fair representation.

Theyve achieved it in other countries, why not ours.

Never mind the reform party, we need proper electoral reform.

[Carlos Slim]

Also rumours that the Greens will stand aside for Burnham or not put too much effort in, coupled with the Tories and Restore putting up candidates to take some of the Reform voters off them. My two-pence opinion Burnham wins big.

It would need that and the Lib Dems to step aside for Burnham to win, if the greens do step aside then that is going to help.

[Carlos Slim]

It's in the bag for Burnham, he has now said he thinks leaving the bloc has "been damaging" but that he is not proposing that the UK rejoins the EU.

"The last thing we should do right now is rerun those arguments," which will leave us in a "permanent rut", he says, adding that he respects "the decision made at the referendum".

The comments contrast with Wes Streeting, who has said he wants the UK to rejoin the EU and said Brexit was "catastrophic"...


Still a bit vague but should be enough to get him the by-election win and being crowned PM. The residents will also love the notion of having the PM as their local MP....

He isn't going to win that fornicating seat. Be told.

I realise that you have local knowledge, but certitude in politics at this point in time, is something generally in very short supply.

True, but I don't know one person who isn't going to vote reform and I know a lot of people. Flags everywhere, car stickers everywhere, posters in peoples windows and placards in gardens - I have never seen anything like it to be honest and in places like Bryn, Ashton-in-Makerfield, Platt Bridge etc - it's endemic.

[Nightmare Roy]

He isn't going to win that fornicating seat. Be told.

I realise that you have local knowledge, but certitude in politics at this point in time, is something generally in very short supply.

True, but I don't know one person who isn't going to vote reform and I know a lot of people. Flags everywhere, car stickers everywhere, posters in peoples windows and placards in gardens - I have never seen anything like it to be honest and in places like Bryn, Ashton-in-Makerfield, Platt Bridge etc - it's endemic.

I Can back this up,i was overin Legh recently which isn't too far, you would have thought there was a state visit coming, apparently Conforms splinter group is fielding a candidate too, which may help. Normal folk who live there are gonna be sick of all politics bt the end of it thats for aure.

[Ned Stark]

Seeing a few recent clips of Burnham being interviewed I’m pretty underwhelmed.

Seems the PLP wants Starmer out and the public are sick of him. Can’t see Burnham being much better.