Is Andy Burnham the Messiah?

[Coco]

Seeing a few recent clips of Burnham being interviewed I’m pretty underwhelmed.

Seems the PLP wants Starmer out and the public are sick of him. Can’t see Burnham being much better.

Less hated

[Nightmare Roy]

Oasis have givrn him permission to use Some Might Say for his campaign.

[stujones]

Oasis have givrn him permission to use Some Might Say for his campaign.

Seriously? Its a by election not a general election.

[stujones]

Seeing a few recent clips of Burnham being interviewed I’m pretty underwhelmed.

Seems the PLP wants Starmer out and the public are sick of him. Can’t see Burnham being much better.

He is sounding like an opposition leader - slagging off the labour party, changed his tune so much in the matter of months, but not really offering suggestions.

"brexit hasn't worked, but I am not going into a brexit debate". etc.

Not becoming a Streeting fan, but at least he offered some definite alternative in his speech. Not saying we should turn our back on the 2017 vote results - but at least it was actually something that he offered - without it just being typical opposition speak.

[Jaguar]

Seeing a few recent clips of Burnham being interviewed I’m pretty underwhelmed.

Seems the PLP wants Starmer out and the public are sick of him. Can’t see Burnham being much better.

He is sounding like an opposition leader - slagging off the labour party, changed his tune so much in the matter of months, but not really offering suggestions.

"brexit hasn't worked, but I am not going into a brexit debate". etc.

Not becoming a Streeting fan, but at least he offered some definite alternative in his speech. Not saying we should turn our back on the 2017 vote results - but at least it was actually something that he offered - without it just being typical opposition speak.

Streeting is suggesting doing exactly that: overriding the result of the referendum and rejoining the EU without further ado.

It's staggering how these people learn nothing. They're so detached from the electorate it's unblieveable.

[stujones]

Seeing a few recent clips of Burnham being interviewed I’m pretty underwhelmed.

Seems the PLP wants Starmer out and the public are sick of him. Can’t see Burnham being much better.

He is sounding like an opposition leader - slagging off the labour party, changed his tune so much in the matter of months, but not really offering suggestions.

"brexit hasn't worked, but I am not going into a brexit debate". etc.

Not becoming a Streeting fan, but at least he offered some definite alternative in his speech. Not saying we should turn our back on the 2017 vote results - but at least it was actually something that he offered - without it just being typical opposition speak.

Streeting is suggesting doing exactly that: overriding the result of the referendum and rejoining the EU without further ado.

It's staggering how these people learn nothing. They're so detached from the electorate it's unblieveable.

Yes, not saying he is right - my point was at least he is saying SOMETHING. He is at least saying one thing he will actually do - other than the usual "what we are currently doing is crap, but I am not going to say what I will do to change that".

At least he has been a bit brave there - whether we agree or disagree. For me, there is not point saying the words "change" without actually explaining what the change looks like.

[Jaguar]

He is sounding like an opposition leader - slagging off the labour party, changed his tune so much in the matter of months, but not really offering suggestions.

"brexit hasn't worked, but I am not going into a brexit debate". etc.

Not becoming a Streeting fan, but at least he offered some definite alternative in his speech. Not saying we should turn our back on the 2017 vote results - but at least it was actually something that he offered - without it just being typical opposition speak.

Streeting is suggesting doing exactly that: overriding the result of the referendum and rejoining the EU without further ado.

It's staggering how these people learn nothing. They're so detached from the electorate it's unblieveable.

Yes, not saying he is right - my point was at least he is saying SOMETHING. He is at least saying one thing he will actually do - other than the usual "what we are currently doing is crap, but I am not going to say what I will do to change that".

At least he has been a bit brave there - whether we agree or disagree. For me, there is not point saying the words "change" without actually explaining what the change looks like.

Streeting and brave are not two words I associate with each other.

I take your point about the notion of change though. People need to say what they actually mean. But I think Burnham has made suggestions about renationalising key industries and building local authority homes, which is something.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Seeing a few recent clips of Burnham being interviewed I’m pretty underwhelmed.

Seems the PLP wants Starmer out and the public are sick of him. Can’t see Burnham being much better.

He is sounding like an opposition leader - slagging off the labour party, changed his tune so much in the matter of months, but not really offering suggestions.

"brexit hasn't worked, but I am not going into a brexit debate". etc.

Not becoming a Streeting fan, but at least he offered some definite alternative in his speech. Not saying we should turn our back on the 2017 vote results - but at least it was actually something that he offered - without it just being typical opposition speak.

Streeting is suggesting doing exactly that: overriding the result of the referendum and rejoining the EU without further ado.

It's staggering how these people learn nothing. They're so detached from the electorate it's unblieveable.

Streeting is an idiot, that's political suicide.

By all means, rejoin the custom's union, that makes sense for business, but suggesting rejoining the EU is insane. it will inflame a large portion of the electorate who voted to leave, you can argue whether they were well informed or not, but it's besides the point.

[Jaguar]

He is sounding like an opposition leader - slagging off the labour party, changed his tune so much in the matter of months, but not really offering suggestions.

"brexit hasn't worked, but I am not going into a brexit debate". etc.

Not becoming a Streeting fan, but at least he offered some definite alternative in his speech. Not saying we should turn our back on the 2017 vote results - but at least it was actually something that he offered - without it just being typical opposition speak.

Streeting is suggesting doing exactly that: overriding the result of the referendum and rejoining the EU without further ado.

It's staggering how these people learn nothing. They're so detached from the electorate it's unblieveable.

Streeting is an idiot, that's political suicide.

By all means, rejoin the custom's union, that makes sense for business, but suggesting rejoining the EU is insane. it will inflame a large portion of the electorate who voted to leave, you can argue whether they were well informed or not, but it's besides the point.

Exactly. Completely.

[Nightmare Roy]

Candidates announced, no greens so far, restore are in for those who don't think reform are fascist enough, i think the monster raving loons will get a lot of votes.
,
Makerfield by-election candidates announced - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrp1z8n4w2o

[Coco]

The greens running could win the election for reform.

Nobody will vote for the Tories anyway

[smiling assassin]

Candidates announced, no greens so far, restore are in for those who don't think reform are fascist enough, i think the monster raving loons will get a lot of votes.
,
Makerfield by-election candidates announced - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrp1z8n4w2o

Just had a quick look at resotres manifesto and I’ve got to say it doesn’t Look bad at a quick glance.

[Nightmare Roy]

The greens running could win the election for reform.

Nobody will vote for the Tories anyway

I'm sure Burnham has reached out to them and made some future promises

[Nightmare Roy]

Candidates announced, no greens so far, restore are in for those who don't think reform are fascist enough, i think the monster raving loons will get a lot of votes.
,
Makerfield by-election candidates announced - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrp1z8n4w2o

Just had a quick look at resotres manifesto and I’ve got to say it doesn’t Look bad at a quick glance.

Dunno mate, ban the Burqa, ban halal meat, stop foreigner's getting benefits. It all sounds a bit like when "that bloke" starts talking to you in weatherspoons, you sort of throw him a half nervous half sympathetic smile like a cashier does when a customer's debit card declines, give him a shoulder squeeze, say have a good night mate and walk away.

[Nightmare Roy]

Oasis have givrn him permission to use Some Might Say for his campaign.

Seriously? Its a by election not a general election.

His ad

[Horse]

Might as well just keep Starmer.

This guy is a bum.

[Nightmare Roy]

Might as well just keep Starmer.

This guy is a bum.

Starmer might beat him yet, thats if he wins the by-election, which he might not. They like the ukips over there.

[Coco]

Oasis have givrn him permission to use Some Might Say for his campaign.

Seriously? Its a by election not a general election.

His ad

Does he know that Makesfield isn't in Manchester??

[Horse]

Starmer might beat him yet, thats if he wins the by-election, which he might not. They like the ukips over there.

Better the Devil we know.

Burnham is not a formidable opponent.

[Nightmare Roy]

Farridge has put up a Kenyon to go up against Burnham!

Who is the Reform candidate for Makerfield by-election? Plumber Robert Kenyon set to take on Andy Burnham in key poll https://share.google/u0BuRTzK3Uo5VKaUV

[Tony1244]

Sadly, Burnha is just another Zionist shitbag shill - he will do feck all that is going to give me much encouragement - no doubt he will also be in the pocket of big business.

No idea who I can really vote for now, there's really not a great deal to be enthusiastic about. Lib Dems are probably the least worrisome/offensive to me now.

I'm over Labour, they don't exist any more in any real sense, - the thing is though, the same people who complain about them not representing the working man, are the same ones who said Corbyn was a communist, so I am not sure what it is people really want.

If you want any meaningful change, you can't just keep shuffling the deck with the same old cards.

Unfortunately, Reform are just like the Trump cartel, it will be vested interests on steroids, with mass theft of public money, massive tax breaks for the super wealthy, and the tech bros will descend on the country with greater vigour, and we will become a right wing vassal state of the right wing authoritarian mob.

Politics right now, is incredibly dissapointing.

I don't know anything about this Burnha or Burnham but politics is terribly disappointing here too. From a party description I'd likely be a liberal democrat. I do have some sympathy for Reform. They are correct regarding immigration has changed the fabric of the West in a horrible way. Ironically, Leftists are pushing this but the immigrants ain't leftists!

Over here sensible liberals are drowned out by the far Left. I have never been a cultural conservative but I almost feel sorry for them as they have nowhere to go. MAGA isn't conservative, it's a very bizarre cult.

[Nightmare Roy]

Sadly, Burnha is just another Zionist shitbag shill - he will do feck all that is going to give me much encouragement - no doubt he will also be in the pocket of big business.

No idea who I can really vote for now, there's really not a great deal to be enthusiastic about. Lib Dems are probably the least worrisome/offensive to me now.

I'm over Labour, they don't exist any more in any real sense, - the thing is though, the same people who complain about them not representing the working man, are the same ones who said Corbyn was a communist, so I am not sure what it is people really want.

If you want any meaningful change, you can't just keep shuffling the deck with the same old cards.

Unfortunately, Reform are just like the Trump cartel, it will be vested interests on steroids, with mass theft of public money, massive tax breaks for the super wealthy, and the tech bros will descend on the country with greater vigour, and we will become a right wing vassal state of the right wing authoritarian mob.

Politics right now, is incredibly dissapointing.

I don't know anything about this Burnha or Burnham but politics is terribly disappointing here too. From a party description I'd likely be a liberal democrat. I do have some sympathy for Reform. They are correct regarding immigration has changed the fabric of the West in a horrible way. Ironically, Leftists are pushing this but the immigrants ain't leftists!

Over here sensible liberals are drowned out by the far Left. I have never been a cultural conservative but I almost feel sorry for them as they have nowhere to go. MAGA isn't conservative, it's a very bizarre cult.

Have sympathy for reform voters by all means, but not reform, it's a corporation led by a grifter.

[Jaguar]

I note that Andy Burnham was born in Liverpool and, like most people from the city, supports Everton.

So, at least he's got a degree of authenticity.

[Nightmare Roy]

I note that Andy Burnham was born in Liverpool and, like most people from the city, supports Everton.

So, at least he's got a degree of authenticity.

He seems far more normal than most politicians

[Coco]

Reform have taken a leaf out of the Greens book by putting forward a local plumber