In a lot of cases I would think the films from that era deteriorated over time. Unless somebody took special care to preserve them which Unless it would've been something they saw future profit in they probably wouldn't bother.
It's a shame how much of history is lost to the sands of time.
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Not too many of Jake LaMotta's fights are on film. Especially, the fights that showed were he was in his real prime, like his fights with Holman Williams, the five fights with Sugar Ray Robinson before their championship fight in 1951, Marcel Cerdan and Laurent Dauthuille matches are only clips of those videos and it's a damned shame why are these fights are not recorded to its entirety.
I just watched for the 5th time in my lifetime the sixth and final bout between LaMotta and Robinson. It was for the Middleweight Championship of the World held by LaMotta on Wednesday, February 14, 1951.
Years ago when I saw it for the first time, I said that Robinson gave LaMotta a good thrashing. That it wasn't a contest. That Robinson won by a mile. By a massacre like the title of this fight in Chicago Stadium is called.
But, not so. The fight was one of the greatest fights of all-time in my personal view. It was a brutal fight were two tough men gave each other a real shellacking. What a fight! Brutal, historical, exciting, and very dramatic. The fight was much closer than it was by the end of the 12th round.
How could LaMotta and Robinson receive and take so many punches? These two all-time greats got to have to be in the list of boxers that possessed great chins in boxing history. Damn, they could take a shot to the chin!
A defeated LaMotta told Robinson at the end "You didn't put me down, Ray! You didn't put me down!"
The eleventh round of that classic fight should be in the annals of the top 100 greatest rounds of all-time in boxing history. It showed the will, the courage and the determination of these two men.
Robinson won this fight by a 13th round technical knockout. But, boy! He had to earn that title. It was one of the toughest fights of his career indeed. And he did it at the time against a fighter that is the only one that has beaten him in 123 professional fights! Unbelievable!
I just watched for the 5th time in my lifetime the sixth and final bout between LaMotta and Robinson. It was for the Middleweight Championship of the World held by LaMotta on Wednesday, February 14, 1951.
Years ago when I saw it for the first time, I said that Robinson gave LaMotta a good thrashing. That it wasn't a contest. That Robinson won by a mile. By a massacre like the title of this fight in Chicago Stadium is called.
But, not so. The fight was one of the greatest fights of all-time in my personal view. It was a brutal fight were two tough men gave each other a real shellacking. What a fight! Brutal, historical, exciting, and very dramatic. The fight was much closer than it was by the end of the 12th round.
How could LaMotta and Robinson receive and take so many punches? These two all-time greats got to have to be in the list of boxers that possessed great chins in boxing history. Damn, they could take a shot to the chin!
A defeated LaMotta told Robinson at the end "You didn't put me down, Ray! You didn't put me down!"
The eleventh round of that classic fight should be in the annals of the top 100 greatest rounds of all-time in boxing history. It showed the will, the courage and the determination of these two men.
Robinson won this fight by a 13th round technical knockout. But, boy! He had to earn that title. It was one of the toughest fights of his career indeed. And he did it at the time against a fighter that is the only one that has beaten him in 123 professional fights! Unbelievable!
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At the time of the stoppage, I had Sugar Ray Robinson winning the fight by one point. I had it scored 115-114. Six rounds to five and one round even. The judges of that fight had a bigger commanding lead for Robinson.
Judge Franklin "Spike" Abrams scored it 65-55 for Robinson. Referee Frank Sikora had it 63-57, Robinson and Judge Ed Klein had it scored 70-50, Robinson?
Nope. That fight was closer than the score cards that night. I had it scored 55-54 for Robinson
Judge Franklin "Spike" Abrams scored it 65-55 for Robinson. Referee Frank Sikora had it 63-57, Robinson and Judge Ed Klein had it scored 70-50, Robinson?
Nope. That fight was closer than the score cards that night. I had it scored 55-54 for Robinson
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And yes, the Sugar Ray Robinson vs Jake LaMotta title fight in Chicago Stadium in 1951 proved me that Robinson was not a great inside fighter. While fighting inside, LaMotta was cooking him with left hooks inside. LaMotta inside was dominating Robinson.
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I recommend to watch the Jake LaMotta vs Eugene Hairston fight #2 of May 1952. A very underrated fight won by LaMotta by decision.
Hairston was a deaf boxer. But, boy! He could fight! Their first meeting earlier on that year was a draw.
Hairston was a deaf boxer. But, boy! He could fight! Their first meeting earlier on that year was a draw.
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Jake LaMotta's last great fight was against top light-heavyweight contender "Irish" Bob Murphy in the Olympia Stadium in Detroit, MI on Wednesday, June 11, 1952. It was his second meeting with Murphy. Murphy stopped the Bronx Bull LaMotta in their first meeting in 7 rounds in June 1951.
Murphy, a southpaw from Flagler, CO, challenged World Light-heavyweight Champion Joey Maxim in August 1951 in New York City, losing by unanimous decision in 15 rounds.
It was LaMotta's 22nd fight at the Olympia Stadium. A crowd favorite, he didn't disappoint this time in a tremendous slugfest and rocked the heavier and stronger Murphy many times in the fight. LaMotta deservedly so won by a ten round unanimous decision.
The following year, some expected for LaMotta to jump to light-heavyweight and campaign for a shot at the title, but, he never fought at all in the year 1953.
LaMotta fought 3 times in 1954 and then retired hanging up the gloves for good at age 32.
One of the most popular American champions in boxing history, LaMotta retired with a record of 83-19-4 with 30 knockouts, giving the boxing fans their money's worth in some of the greatest fights in history.
Murphy, a southpaw from Flagler, CO, challenged World Light-heavyweight Champion Joey Maxim in August 1951 in New York City, losing by unanimous decision in 15 rounds.
It was LaMotta's 22nd fight at the Olympia Stadium. A crowd favorite, he didn't disappoint this time in a tremendous slugfest and rocked the heavier and stronger Murphy many times in the fight. LaMotta deservedly so won by a ten round unanimous decision.
The following year, some expected for LaMotta to jump to light-heavyweight and campaign for a shot at the title, but, he never fought at all in the year 1953.
LaMotta fought 3 times in 1954 and then retired hanging up the gloves for good at age 32.
One of the most popular American champions in boxing history, LaMotta retired with a record of 83-19-4 with 30 knockouts, giving the boxing fans their money's worth in some of the greatest fights in history.
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Now, this is the countdown so far:
100. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Sonny Liston
98. Vicente Saldivar
97. Gene Fullmer
96. Mike Tyson
95. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Benny Lynch
93. Jack Britton
92. Tommy Ryan
91. Mike McCallum
90. James Toney
89. Tiger Flowers
88. Joe Brown
87. Ted "Kid" Lewis
86. Peter Jackson
85. Beau Jack
84. Lennox Lewis
83. Abe Attell
82. Holman Williams
81. Azumah Nelson
80. Erik "El Terrible" Morales
79. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
78. George Dixon
77. Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
76. Manuel Ortiz
75. Marco Antonio Barrera
74. Bob Foster
73. Pancho Villa
72. Jimmy Barry
71. Packey McFarland
70. Miguel Canto
69. Carlos Zarate
68. Wilfred Benitez
67. Carlos Ortiz
66. Jack "Kid" Berg
65. Freddie Miller
64. Battling Battalino
63. Wilfredo Gomez
62. Fidel LaBarba
61. Maxie Rosenbloom
60. Billy Conn
59. Fighting Harada
58. Barbados Joe Walcott
57. Pascual Perez
56. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
55. Carmen Basilio
54. Kid Chocolate
53. Michael Spinks
52. Juan Manuel Marquez
51. Jake LaMotta
And now, at position #50, in the countdown, is the popular Mexican great champion, Ruben Olivares, El Puas!
100. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Sonny Liston
98. Vicente Saldivar
97. Gene Fullmer
96. Mike Tyson
95. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Benny Lynch
93. Jack Britton
92. Tommy Ryan
91. Mike McCallum
90. James Toney
89. Tiger Flowers
88. Joe Brown
87. Ted "Kid" Lewis
86. Peter Jackson
85. Beau Jack
84. Lennox Lewis
83. Abe Attell
82. Holman Williams
81. Azumah Nelson
80. Erik "El Terrible" Morales
79. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
78. George Dixon
77. Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
76. Manuel Ortiz
75. Marco Antonio Barrera
74. Bob Foster
73. Pancho Villa
72. Jimmy Barry
71. Packey McFarland
70. Miguel Canto
69. Carlos Zarate
68. Wilfred Benitez
67. Carlos Ortiz
66. Jack "Kid" Berg
65. Freddie Miller
64. Battling Battalino
63. Wilfredo Gomez
62. Fidel LaBarba
61. Maxie Rosenbloom
60. Billy Conn
59. Fighting Harada
58. Barbados Joe Walcott
57. Pascual Perez
56. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
55. Carmen Basilio
54. Kid Chocolate
53. Michael Spinks
52. Juan Manuel Marquez
51. Jake LaMotta
And now, at position #50, in the countdown, is the popular Mexican great champion, Ruben Olivares, El Puas!
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#50. Ruben Olivares
Record: 89-13-3 with 79KOs
KO Pct: 89%
Career: 1965-81; 1986-88
World Titles Held: World Bantamweight Champion (1969-70, 1971-72). WBA World Featherweight Champion (1974) and WBC World Featherweight Champion (1975)
Highlights: Brought 4 world boxing championships to his native country of Mexico.....Was two-time Bantam and also a two-time Featherweight king......Won his first 24 fights by the way of knockout.....Made another streak of 21 knockout wins from May 1968 to March 1970......Was undefeated in his first 62 professional fights. (Record: 61-0-1, with 58KOs)........Beat 6 out of 11 world champions. (Record vs world champions is 8-8, with 6KOs)....Beat 1 out of 4 Hall of Fame boxers. (Record vs HOFs is 2-5, 2KOs)......Was also Mexican Bantamweight and NABF Featherweight Champion.
Historical Impact: Brutal and sensational KO artist that popularized the Inglewood Forum of Los Angeles, bringing a massive Mexican boxing following in the West Coast United States..... Considered by The Ring Magazine as one of the top 100 greatest knockout punchers of all-time.......With nicknames like "El Puas", "Mr. Knockout" and "Rockabye Ruben", electrified crowds with great historical rivalries with countryman Chucho Castillo and Bobby Chacon. Olivares, probably the most popular and famous Mexican fighter in boxing history, is also considered as one of boxing's all-time great bantamweights.
Defining Fight: WTKO2 Bobby Chacon (II)...... June 20, 1975....."Considered done and washed up by many, brought another world title for Mexico"
Other Defining Fights: WTKO5 Lionel Rose, W15 Chucho Castillo, LTKO14 Chucho Castillo (II), [color=008000] WKO11 Zenzuke Utagawa[/color], [color=#FF000]LKO13 Alexis Arguello and LTKO12 Eusebio Pedroza. [/color]
Your thoughts on this great champion from Mexico City, Mexico, the great Ruben Olivares!
Record: 89-13-3 with 79KOs
KO Pct: 89%
Career: 1965-81; 1986-88
World Titles Held: World Bantamweight Champion (1969-70, 1971-72). WBA World Featherweight Champion (1974) and WBC World Featherweight Champion (1975)
Highlights: Brought 4 world boxing championships to his native country of Mexico.....Was two-time Bantam and also a two-time Featherweight king......Won his first 24 fights by the way of knockout.....Made another streak of 21 knockout wins from May 1968 to March 1970......Was undefeated in his first 62 professional fights. (Record: 61-0-1, with 58KOs)........Beat 6 out of 11 world champions. (Record vs world champions is 8-8, with 6KOs)....Beat 1 out of 4 Hall of Fame boxers. (Record vs HOFs is 2-5, 2KOs)......Was also Mexican Bantamweight and NABF Featherweight Champion.
Historical Impact: Brutal and sensational KO artist that popularized the Inglewood Forum of Los Angeles, bringing a massive Mexican boxing following in the West Coast United States..... Considered by The Ring Magazine as one of the top 100 greatest knockout punchers of all-time.......With nicknames like "El Puas", "Mr. Knockout" and "Rockabye Ruben", electrified crowds with great historical rivalries with countryman Chucho Castillo and Bobby Chacon. Olivares, probably the most popular and famous Mexican fighter in boxing history, is also considered as one of boxing's all-time great bantamweights.
Defining Fight: WTKO2 Bobby Chacon (II)...... June 20, 1975....."Considered done and washed up by many, brought another world title for Mexico"
Other Defining Fights: WTKO5 Lionel Rose, W15 Chucho Castillo, LTKO14 Chucho Castillo (II), [color=008000] WKO11 Zenzuke Utagawa[/color], [color=#FF000]LKO13 Alexis Arguello and LTKO12 Eusebio Pedroza. [/color]
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#50. Ruben Olivares
Record: 89-13-3 with 79KOs
KO Pct: 89%
Career: 1965-81; 1986-88
World Titles Held: World Bantamweight Champion (1969-70, 1971-72). WBA World Featherweight Champion (1974) and WBC World Featherweight Champion (1975)
Highlights: Brought 4 world boxing championships to his native country of Mexico.....Was two-time Bantam and also a two-time Featherweight king......Won his first 24 fights by the way of knockout.....Made another streak of 21 knockout wins from May 1968 to March 1970......Was undefeated in his first 62 professional fights. (Record: 61-0-1, with 58KOs)........Beat 6 out of 11 world champions. (Record vs world champions is 8-8, with 6KOs)....Beat 1 out of 4 Hall of Fame boxers. (Record vs HOFs is 2-5, 2KOs)......Was also Mexican Bantamweight and NABF Featherweight Champion.
Historical Impact: Brutal and sensational KO artist that popularized the Inglewood Forum of Los Angeles, bringing a massive Mexican boxing following in the West Coast United States..... Considered by The Ring Magazine as one of the top 100 greatest knockout punchers of all-time.......With nicknames like "El Puas", "Mr. Knockout" and "Rockabye Ruben", electrified crowds with great historical rivalries with countryman Chucho Castillo and Bobby Chacon. Olivares, probably the most popular and famous Mexican fighter in boxing history, is also considered as one of boxing's all-time great bantamweights.
Defining Fight: WTKO2 Bobby Chacon (II)...... June 20, 1975....."Considered done and washed up by many, brought another world title for Mexico"
Other Defining Fights: WTKO5 Lionel Rose, W15 Chucho Castillo, LTKO14 Chucho Castillo (II), WKO11 Zenzuke Utagawa, LKO13 Alexis Arguello and LTKO12 Eusebio Pedroza
Your thoughts on this great champion from Mexico City, Mexico, the great Ruben Olivares!
Record: 89-13-3 with 79KOs
KO Pct: 89%
Career: 1965-81; 1986-88
World Titles Held: World Bantamweight Champion (1969-70, 1971-72). WBA World Featherweight Champion (1974) and WBC World Featherweight Champion (1975)
Highlights: Brought 4 world boxing championships to his native country of Mexico.....Was two-time Bantam and also a two-time Featherweight king......Won his first 24 fights by the way of knockout.....Made another streak of 21 knockout wins from May 1968 to March 1970......Was undefeated in his first 62 professional fights. (Record: 61-0-1, with 58KOs)........Beat 6 out of 11 world champions. (Record vs world champions is 8-8, with 6KOs)....Beat 1 out of 4 Hall of Fame boxers. (Record vs HOFs is 2-5, 2KOs)......Was also Mexican Bantamweight and NABF Featherweight Champion.
Historical Impact: Brutal and sensational KO artist that popularized the Inglewood Forum of Los Angeles, bringing a massive Mexican boxing following in the West Coast United States..... Considered by The Ring Magazine as one of the top 100 greatest knockout punchers of all-time.......With nicknames like "El Puas", "Mr. Knockout" and "Rockabye Ruben", electrified crowds with great historical rivalries with countryman Chucho Castillo and Bobby Chacon. Olivares, probably the most popular and famous Mexican fighter in boxing history, is also considered as one of boxing's all-time great bantamweights.
Defining Fight: WTKO2 Bobby Chacon (II)...... June 20, 1975....."Considered done and washed up by many, brought another world title for Mexico"
Other Defining Fights: WTKO5 Lionel Rose, W15 Chucho Castillo, LTKO14 Chucho Castillo (II), WKO11 Zenzuke Utagawa, LKO13 Alexis Arguello and LTKO12 Eusebio Pedroza
Your thoughts on this great champion from Mexico City, Mexico, the great Ruben Olivares!
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Mexico has been for years a boxing super power in Latin America and all over the world. Their boxing idols are revered greatly, mainly because of the crowd-pleasing style of combat that many Mexican boxers give to their fans. Mexican boxing fans don't like phony ones. They like action. They want every fighter that come to fight in that ring, to give them their money's worth. To leave the arena satisfied and happy.
Through the years, Mexico has produced some fantastic fighters. They had the Baby Casanovas, the Baby Arizmendis who beat the great Henry Armstrong the first two fights out of their 5-fight rivalry. They had fantastic fighters like Kid Azteca, Battling Shaw, Juan Zurita, Lauro Salas, Joe Becerra and their first Mexican idol, Raul "Raton" Macias. They also had all-time pound per pound greats like El Zurdo de Oro, Vicente Saldivar in the 60s decade. Cuban boxers like the great Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles and Sugar Ramos were adopted as two of their own. They had bone-crushing punchers like Pipino Cuevas and Alfonso Zamora and all-time greats like Carlos Zarate, Miguel Canto, Salvador Sanchez, Erik "El Terrible" Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Ricardo "Finito" Lopez. All of them are in the pantheon of great Mexican fighters that not only their own fans loved, but were loved all over the world.
Even their greatest boxing hero, Julio Cesar Chavez is amongst the greatest of that boxing nation as one of the greatest champions ever seen in action. Even they had good ones that could be in the hall of fame some day like Rafael Herrera, Jose Luis Ramirez, Chucho Castillo, top contenders like Jose Medel, Jesus Pimentel, Alvaro "Yaqui" Lopez, and hall of famers like Lupe Pintor and Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez. Mexican school of hard knocks is top notch!
All of them colorful. All of them warriors. All of them mentioned were the example of guts, sweat and tears to get to the top. Some of them didn't make it to the top, but some surely did. And if the ones that tried to get to the top and didn't make it, it wasn't because of lack of trying. Sometimes your very best was not good enough in this cruel and hard sport. Maybe it need it luck also. But, they gave your money's worth. That was a guarantee.
But, none of them were as revered and loved and idolized and even as colorful as the great Ruben Olivares. Probably, Mexico's most beloved boxing legend of all times.
Through the years, Mexico has produced some fantastic fighters. They had the Baby Casanovas, the Baby Arizmendis who beat the great Henry Armstrong the first two fights out of their 5-fight rivalry. They had fantastic fighters like Kid Azteca, Battling Shaw, Juan Zurita, Lauro Salas, Joe Becerra and their first Mexican idol, Raul "Raton" Macias. They also had all-time pound per pound greats like El Zurdo de Oro, Vicente Saldivar in the 60s decade. Cuban boxers like the great Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles and Sugar Ramos were adopted as two of their own. They had bone-crushing punchers like Pipino Cuevas and Alfonso Zamora and all-time greats like Carlos Zarate, Miguel Canto, Salvador Sanchez, Erik "El Terrible" Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Ricardo "Finito" Lopez. All of them are in the pantheon of great Mexican fighters that not only their own fans loved, but were loved all over the world.
Even their greatest boxing hero, Julio Cesar Chavez is amongst the greatest of that boxing nation as one of the greatest champions ever seen in action. Even they had good ones that could be in the hall of fame some day like Rafael Herrera, Jose Luis Ramirez, Chucho Castillo, top contenders like Jose Medel, Jesus Pimentel, Alvaro "Yaqui" Lopez, and hall of famers like Lupe Pintor and Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez. Mexican school of hard knocks is top notch!
All of them colorful. All of them warriors. All of them mentioned were the example of guts, sweat and tears to get to the top. Some of them didn't make it to the top, but some surely did. And if the ones that tried to get to the top and didn't make it, it wasn't because of lack of trying. Sometimes your very best was not good enough in this cruel and hard sport. Maybe it need it luck also. But, they gave your money's worth. That was a guarantee.
But, none of them were as revered and loved and idolized and even as colorful as the great Ruben Olivares. Probably, Mexico's most beloved boxing legend of all times.
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By looking at his record, Ruben Olivares, El Puas, of the Barrio of Bondonjito of Mexico City, Mexico, is one of boxing's most impressive records that ever seen on paper. A true fantastic record. A manager's dream! It's a record that got you to say, "wow!"
He started his career in 1965. In 1966, Olivares fought 14 times. All of them fights were knockout wins! By the end of that year, Olivares had 20 wins. All by knockout!
One thing is reading his record. My daddy used to tell me about him. Just like he used to tell me about Muhammad Ali, Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles, Vicente Saldivar, Ismael Laguna, Fighting Harada, Eder Jofre, Carlos Ortiz, Joe Frazier and many others. He also told me about Olivares fights with countryman Chucho Castillo. They were the Ali vs Frazier rivalry fights of Mexico. He even talked to me about Rafael Herrera.
But, one thing is to be told and heard about this fighter, and the other is to see him with your own eyes in action. If you're a guy that loves punchers and inside-game fighting, then Olivares is your guy. You will fall in love with his fighting style in an instant. With no hesitation. He was a very technical gifted fighter with adequate speed. Very strong. And his punching prowess, forget it! One of the all-time best!
Bantamweight World Champion, the magnificent Lionel Rose of Australia, an Aborigine, was lured in December 1968 by promoter extraordinare George Parnassus of Los Angeles, CA, to defend his bantam crown against dangerous top contender and future world champion Chucho Castillo of Mexico.
It was a terrific and brutal fight. One of the best fights in history. The majority of the paying customers in that arena that night at Inglewood Forum in California were Mexican boxing fans. Castillo dropped Rose in the tenth round. The Mexicans went berserk. They went more bezerk, but this time in anger when the decision was in favor of Rose. Mexican fans started a riot of burning cars and everything that were in their way. They threw everything they had in their hand into the ring. The poor champion had to scape from the debris. It was a terrible scene.
In August 22, 1969, Olivares was the #1 contender for the Bantamweight throne possessed by Rose. In no way or circumstances, any boxer should go back to that arena and fight a Mexican opponent ever again.
How was Rose convinced to come back to fight? The answer was simple: $100,000 dollars!
The fight is set at the Inglewood Forum and Olivares got his first shot at the title with an astonishing and incredible record of 51-0-1, with 49 knockouts!
He started his career in 1965. In 1966, Olivares fought 14 times. All of them fights were knockout wins! By the end of that year, Olivares had 20 wins. All by knockout!
One thing is reading his record. My daddy used to tell me about him. Just like he used to tell me about Muhammad Ali, Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles, Vicente Saldivar, Ismael Laguna, Fighting Harada, Eder Jofre, Carlos Ortiz, Joe Frazier and many others. He also told me about Olivares fights with countryman Chucho Castillo. They were the Ali vs Frazier rivalry fights of Mexico. He even talked to me about Rafael Herrera.
But, one thing is to be told and heard about this fighter, and the other is to see him with your own eyes in action. If you're a guy that loves punchers and inside-game fighting, then Olivares is your guy. You will fall in love with his fighting style in an instant. With no hesitation. He was a very technical gifted fighter with adequate speed. Very strong. And his punching prowess, forget it! One of the all-time best!
Bantamweight World Champion, the magnificent Lionel Rose of Australia, an Aborigine, was lured in December 1968 by promoter extraordinare George Parnassus of Los Angeles, CA, to defend his bantam crown against dangerous top contender and future world champion Chucho Castillo of Mexico.
It was a terrific and brutal fight. One of the best fights in history. The majority of the paying customers in that arena that night at Inglewood Forum in California were Mexican boxing fans. Castillo dropped Rose in the tenth round. The Mexicans went berserk. They went more bezerk, but this time in anger when the decision was in favor of Rose. Mexican fans started a riot of burning cars and everything that were in their way. They threw everything they had in their hand into the ring. The poor champion had to scape from the debris. It was a terrible scene.
In August 22, 1969, Olivares was the #1 contender for the Bantamweight throne possessed by Rose. In no way or circumstances, any boxer should go back to that arena and fight a Mexican opponent ever again.
How was Rose convinced to come back to fight? The answer was simple: $100,000 dollars!
The fight is set at the Inglewood Forum and Olivares got his first shot at the title with an astonishing and incredible record of 51-0-1, with 49 knockouts!
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It was Friday night of August 22, 1969. Inglewood Forum of Los Angeles, CA. Lionel Rose, the World's Bantamweight Champion was lured back to fight top contender Ruben Olivares of Mexico for $100,000 dollars!
Rose accepted the offer and went to defend his crown for the third time. He magnificently took the crown in 1968 against the great Fighting Harada of Japan on points in 15 rounds in Tokyo. Rose looked so great that night that he became Australia's favorite son.
Among other wins he beat Alan Rudkin of England and Chucho Castillo and Jose Medel, both top Mexican fighters.
I don't know this time of what happened to Rose in that night at the Forum. He definitely didn't looked the same fighter that took the crown from Harada a year earlier. He looked sluggish, drained and even weak of making the 118-pound limit. He didn't looked good in my eyes seeing this video. He came extremely unprepared to fight a hungry and formidable knockout artist in Olivares.
The first round was even. But, after round 2, it was all Olivares. Olivares was hitting the champion so easily with everything else but the kitchen sink. It was a brutal massacre that the fight should have been stopped in that same second round. Rose was lifeless, just protecting himself from crucial body blows. Olivares' left hooks were hurting Rose.
Rose got dropped in the second round. It was just a matter of time for Mexican boxing fans to have a new champion in their history. A new hero. Olivares was throwing left hooks to the liver for days. Rose was just overwhelmed. He couldn't take El Puas off from him. It was an avalanche of well text-book blows taught for Mexican boxing hopefuls.
In round 4, Olivares hit Rose in the middle section of the stomach. The six-pack felt it and Rose dropped his mouthpiece, his hands and grasped for air. The crowd felt it. Even Rose's mother. How much punishment can he take from this hard-hitting dynamo? The referee put the mouthpiece in Rose's mouth and stopped the action. But, every time the action was stopped, Rose kept receiving much more punishment.
In round 5, Rose went down again by a Olivares left hook. He got up for much more punishment. Rose showed a lot of heart. But, he didn't had it that night in my view. A couple of more shots ending with a right cross in that same round and Rose fell again like a bowling alley cone. Rose's seconds and trainers saw that it was enough and entered the ring to protect their champ from further unnecessary punishment. And the fight was immediately stopped like it should. Geez! It should have been stopped rounds earlier.
The winner by technical knockout in round 5 and new World Bantamweight Champion! The magnificent Ruben Olivares of Mexico!
Rose accepted the offer and went to defend his crown for the third time. He magnificently took the crown in 1968 against the great Fighting Harada of Japan on points in 15 rounds in Tokyo. Rose looked so great that night that he became Australia's favorite son.
Among other wins he beat Alan Rudkin of England and Chucho Castillo and Jose Medel, both top Mexican fighters.
I don't know this time of what happened to Rose in that night at the Forum. He definitely didn't looked the same fighter that took the crown from Harada a year earlier. He looked sluggish, drained and even weak of making the 118-pound limit. He didn't looked good in my eyes seeing this video. He came extremely unprepared to fight a hungry and formidable knockout artist in Olivares.
The first round was even. But, after round 2, it was all Olivares. Olivares was hitting the champion so easily with everything else but the kitchen sink. It was a brutal massacre that the fight should have been stopped in that same second round. Rose was lifeless, just protecting himself from crucial body blows. Olivares' left hooks were hurting Rose.
Rose got dropped in the second round. It was just a matter of time for Mexican boxing fans to have a new champion in their history. A new hero. Olivares was throwing left hooks to the liver for days. Rose was just overwhelmed. He couldn't take El Puas off from him. It was an avalanche of well text-book blows taught for Mexican boxing hopefuls.
In round 4, Olivares hit Rose in the middle section of the stomach. The six-pack felt it and Rose dropped his mouthpiece, his hands and grasped for air. The crowd felt it. Even Rose's mother. How much punishment can he take from this hard-hitting dynamo? The referee put the mouthpiece in Rose's mouth and stopped the action. But, every time the action was stopped, Rose kept receiving much more punishment.
In round 5, Rose went down again by a Olivares left hook. He got up for much more punishment. Rose showed a lot of heart. But, he didn't had it that night in my view. A couple of more shots ending with a right cross in that same round and Rose fell again like a bowling alley cone. Rose's seconds and trainers saw that it was enough and entered the ring to protect their champ from further unnecessary punishment. And the fight was immediately stopped like it should. Geez! It should have been stopped rounds earlier.
The winner by technical knockout in round 5 and new World Bantamweight Champion! The magnificent Ruben Olivares of Mexico!
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Ruben Olivares of Mexico becomes World Bantamweight Champion defeating by TKO in 5 rounds former champ Lionel Rose of Australia at the Inglewood Forum of Los Angeles, CA.
Friday, August 22, 1969