45th Anniversary of Marvin Hagler’s Arrival in the Pantheon

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45th Anniversary of Marvin Hagler’s Arrival in the Pantheon

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Tragically, our Epic Iron Man as Marvin was is now no longer with us after passing during The Great Corona Virus Panic of 2021, gone but never forgotten.

Marv turned pro as a talented work project where he had some setbacks, the most telling being when he finally gets a WBC/WBA MIDDLEWEIGHT Title shot vs Italian champ Vito Antuofermo in a ferociously bloody brawl that had the fans roaring. The net result was a Draw in a close split of the cards near the close of 1979 in Vegas.

Marv had previous losses vs a couple of Clever fringe contenders Willie Monroe and Bobby Watts as his brother trainers and managers Goody and Pat Petronelli who were with Marvin for the entirety of his career guided him up the treacherous chains of contenders on his way to his first title shot. It really is one of the great feel good stories in boxing that has an horrific history of exploitation.

In 1980 Marvin travels to London to fight the new champ Alan Minter who had dethroned Vito in Vegas and then beat him again in a London rematch with blood flowing like spigots in both bouts.

Somehow misunderstandings morphed into a racial tiff between the Black Yank with the White Brit in his 2nd Defense, likely designed to increase the gate.

While Marvin quickly cut up the cut prone Minter that forced the referee into stopping the fight, there was no exchange of the Championship belt in the ring as Brits bombarded bottles, cans and profanities at Marvin and his corner. Security swarmed in to escort the team the best they could to the dressing room.

There was never any animosity against Vito who was his Italian analogue in size, strength and age, but now with Marvin defending his new title in his hometown of Boston, another ferocious fight immediately breaks out where Marvin finally puts him down resulting in Vito’s corner stopping the fight.

Marvin in spite of his ferocious looks and KOs became one of the most respected and ultimately beloved Champions in history, so it’s no surprise that he was shafted in his last fight against the Prettyboy of boxing, Sugar Ray Leonard in one of the most nakedly corrupt scorings that could be had. That is in part why Boxing has become such a fringe sport of today where few American Boxers will ever be as beloved and respected as Marvin was, but wait, wait, he wasn’t done yet!

Marvin picked himself up to move to Italy where he became a beloved actor in their bountiful Film Industry.

All in all, it couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy…R.I.P. & Hello Valhalla…Amen… :TU:
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Hagler was a great fighter.
Lost clearly to Leonard.
Never heard anyone call him nice before.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 14:00 Hagler was a great fighter.
Lost clearly to Leonard.
Never heard anyone call him nice before.
While Leonard did outpoint Hagler, I don’t believe he would have won a 15-round fight. Why Hagler agreed to a 12 round match and took a while to get going, I don't know.

I never understood Hagler’s approach in certain fights. He gave away too many early rounds — most notably against Mugabi — and showed too much respect to Duran, even though he held clear advantages in size, reach, and power. For as great as Hagler was, his boxing IQ was surprisingly lacking.
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Hagler's respect for Duran was evident. Hagler was a truly great fighter but I'd take Monzon to beat him, peak versus peak.
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goose 5 wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 23:52 Hagler's respect for Duran was evident. Hagler was a truly great fighter but I'd take Monzon to beat him, peak versus peak.
Hmmm… Hagler vs. Monzon is a fascinating fight to me. Monzon was a true natural middleweight — not a blown-up welterweight like many of the top opponents Hagler faced. I tend to think Monzon would outsmart Hagler, using his superior boxing IQ, distance management, rock-solid chin, and excellent 15-round conditioning to pull out a close, hard-fought 15-round decision.

Hagler simply could not afford a Duran- or Leonard-style off-night performance against someone like Monzon.
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pound per pound wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 20:05
Ambling Alp II wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 14:00 Hagler was a great fighter.
Lost clearly to Leonard.
Never heard anyone call him nice before.
While Leonard did outpoint Hagler, I don’t believe he would have won a 15-round fight. Why Hagler agreed to a 12 round match and took a while to get going, I don't know.

I never understood Hagler’s approach in certain fights. He gave away too many early rounds — most notably against Mugabi — and showed too much respect to Duran, even though he held clear advantages in size, reach, and power. For as great as Hagler was, his boxing IQ was surprisingly lacking.
Hagler would have to have scored a KO or win the all of the last three rounds to win the fight against Leoanrd if it went 15. Very doubtful that was going to happen. Despite Leonard moving up and in weight and have the long layoff, Leoanrd still beat fair and square. Hagler was great, but Leonard was better.

Hagler could be lazy in fights. He gave several rounds a way to Antuofermo as well apparently because he thought he was further ahead then he was. He was a hard puncher, had a great chin and had very good boxing skills.
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I thought that fight was close with Hagler edging it.
That said, he never should’ve started like that. Coming out orthodox, giving away the early rounds was a head scratcher. I’ll never understand it.
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goose 5 wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 23:52 Hagler's respect for Duran was evident. Hagler was a truly great fighter but I'd take Monzon to beat him, peak versus peak.
Same
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 14:00 Hagler was a great fighter.
Lost clearly to Leonard.
Never heard anyone call him nice before.
No Doubt.
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goose 5 wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 23:52 Hagler's respect for Duran was evident. Hagler was a truly great fighter but I'd take Monzon to beat him, peak versus peak.
Indeed.
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pound per pound wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 20:05
Ambling Alp II wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 14:00 Hagler was a great fighter.
Lost clearly to Leonard.
Never heard anyone call him nice before.
While Leonard did outpoint Hagler, I don’t believe he would have won a 15-round fight. Why Hagler agreed to a 12 round match and took a while to get going, I don't know.

I never understood Hagler’s approach in certain fights. He gave away too many early rounds — most notably against Mugabi — and showed too much respect to Duran, even though he held clear advantages in size, reach, and power. For as great as Hagler was, his boxing IQ was surprisingly lacking.
What's odd to me is how often the bigger man doesn't fight like it in big matchups.

Hagler vs Leonard
Canelo vs Crawford
Hagler vs Duran
Kovalev vs Canelo

In all those fights the bigger man boxed cautiously against the smaller fighter as if he had to fear the smaller man's power. In Kovalev's case he may have been right.
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goose 5 wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 23:52 Hagler's respect for Duran was evident. Hagler was a truly great fighter but I'd take Monzon to beat him, peak versus peak.
It may have also been Hagler freezing up a bit because at that time Duran was the biggest name opponent he'd ever fought and he didn't want to slip up and blow it. He was definitely very tight against Duran.
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I like Hagler and definitely not like Leonard. But marvelous lost that fight. Crawford - Canelo of 80s. Too bad Hagler retired after that, really entertaining boxer :box: :box: :box:
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 13 Jun 2026, 14:00 Hagler was a great fighter.
Lost clearly to Leonard.
Never heard anyone call him nice before.

- Of course some kid out of Iowa is going to be intimidated by a high testa ferocious fighter as Marvin was, but that has no bearing on his formidable popularity such that he was a mainstay at IBHOF inductions. Nobody needed to call him nice, he was mobbed.

Clearly with the emphasis on Clearly you did not watch the fight or forgot the details, so all Hail to Boxrec-

Unofficial Scorecards
Mitch Albom of the Detroit Free Press: Leonard ("Hagler was outfoxed")
Dave Anderson of the New York Times: 114-114
Tom Archdeacon of the Miami News: 116-112 Hagler
Bob Arum: 7-5 Hagler
Baltimore Sun: 7-5 in rounds Leonard
Al Bernstein of ESPN: 115-113 Hagler
Dave Bontempo of ESPN: 114-114
Ron Borges of the Boston Globe: 115-113 Hagler
Chicago Sun-Times: 115-114 Hagler
Gil Clancy: 115-113 Leonard
Nigel Collins of The Ring: 115-113 Leonard
Howard Cosell: 117-112 Leonard
Bernard Fernandez of the Philadelphia Daily News: 7-4-1 Leonard
Eddie Futch: Hagler ("probably by two or three rounds")
Bill Gallo of the New York Daily News: Hagler ("slightly ahead")
Joe Gergen of Newsday: 115-114 Hagler
Stan Hochman of the Philadelphia Daily News: 116-112 Leonard
Houston Chronicle: 115-114 Leonard
Jerry Izenberg of the Newark Star-Ledger: Hagler
Jim Jacobs: Leonard ("I thought Ray won clearly")
Jim Jenkins of the Sacramento Bee: 116-114 Hagler
Michael Katz of the New York Daily News: 117-111 Leonard
Steve Kelley of the Seattle Times: 115-113 Hagler
George Kimball of Boxing Illustrated/Boston Herald: 116-114 Leonard
James Lawton of the Daily Express (UK): 7-5 in rounds Hagler
Harold Lederman of HBO: 115-113 Leonard
Bernie Lincicome of the Chicago Tribune: 8-4 Hagler
Jerry Lisker of the New York Post: 115-113 Hagler
Greg Logan of Newsday: 114-114
Bill Lyon of the Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-113 Leonard
Ray Mancini: Hagler ("Hagler definitely won the fight")
Steve Marantz of the Boston Globe: 117-111 Leonard
Phill Marder of The Ring: 114-114
Hugh McIlvanney of The Observer (UK)/Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Hagler
Larry Merchant of HBO: 114-114
Norm Miller of the New York Post: 114-114
Harry Mullan of British Boxing News: 116-113 Hagler
Jim Murray of the Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Leonard
William Nack of Sports Illustrated: 116-114 Leonard
Barney Nagler of Daily Racing Form: 116-114 Hagler
Dave Newhouse of the Oakland Tribune: 117-112 Leonard
Floyd Patterson: Leonard ("a slight edge")
Edwin Pope of the Miami Herald: 116-112 Hagler
Mark Purdy of the San Jose Mercury-News: 116-115 Hagler
George Puscas of the Detroit Free Press: 115-113 Hagler
Pat Putnam of Sports Illustrated: 115-113 Hagler
Jeff Ryan of KO Magazine: 118-111 Leonard
Tim Ryan of CBS: 115-114 Hagler
Ed Schuyler of the Associated Press: 117-112 Hagler
Steve Sneddon of the Reno Gazette-Journal: 117-113 Leonard
Elmer Smith of the Philadelphia Daily News: 7-5 Hagler
Emanuel Steward: Hagler ("by a point")
Ira Kaufman of United Press International: 116-112 Leonard
Bob Verdi of the Chicago Tribune: 115-113 Hagler
Washington Post: 114-114
Dick Young of the New York Post: 115-113 Leonard
Newsday polled 25 ringside journalists and asked them who they thought won the fight; 12 said Hagler, 10 said Leonard, and 3 called it a draw.


Leonard was not a nice guy to deal with but rather a diva/jerk that l'l floydy adapted, screwing over fighters left and right. Marvin hadn't fought in a over a year and was ready to retire if he couldn't get Ray, but Ray had a year's worth of private training that was kept a secret, so Marv came out rusty and more than a little prideful by trying to out box Ray righthanded instead of his natural southpaw style, so yeah, that's on him. Yet Marv ramped up big time and was putting the hurt Ray in major reverse in the biggest ring that could be had. It technically was an interesting fight because of Marv's adjustments. Ray's only adjustment was running for survival.

The Petronellis came out of nowhere there in Boston, yet with Marv's limited Ama record, he quickly made a name for himself. That's the feel good part that the three had the kind of success that would require much more boxing experience and they were completely loyal to each other.. Typical naysayers on here would say that's impossible, that you need boxing people behind you in such a dirty sport as boxing is.

Leonard immediately announced his umpteenth retirement while Marv waited to negotiations that never came. So when he announces his retirement, Ray immediately announces another comeback ad infinitum until Camacho starches him for good. In Retirement he suffered the usual misfortunes while Marv was living the kind of life in Italy to rival a King.

Yeah, Monzon beats him, and so what? Marv would've fought him, not Ray...just da facts ma'am... :TU:
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