gil's Refined Ranking System

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I'm posting this because I genuinely think this system works out pretty well, and everything it's produced so far has made sense. I'll be referring to this a lot when comparing fighters so I figured I'd have the explanation here so everyone will know what the hell I'm talking about. Also I think this could serve to help settle debates or at minimum provide valuable information about guys' careers.

If anyone has any suggestions for how I could improve the Ranking system, I would be happy to take them into consideration if what you say makes sense. I'd also be happy to explain to anyone who cares to ask how my rankings wind up at the score they wind up at.

The Primary goal of this list is for me to take in everything there is to see of a fighters career on Video (generally all these fights are found on Youtube). This list will continue to grow as I continue to see all available footage of various fighters careers.

Heavyweight
1. Muhammad Ali - 1107 points
2. Joe Louis - 899 points
3. George Foreman - 694 points
4. Larry Holmes - 576 points
5. Lennox Lewis - 500 points
6. Rocky Marciano - 474 points
7. Evander Holyfield - 461 Points
8. Riddick Bowe - 448 points
9. Wladimir Klitschko - 426 points
10. Mike Tyson - 397 points
11. Joe Frazier - 353 points
12. Tyson Fury - 346 points
13. Sonny Liston - 284 points
14. Oleksandr Usyk - 266 points
15. Vitali Klitschko - 265 points
16. Jack Dempsey - 264 points
17. Jim Jeffries - 249 points
18. Jack Johnson - 246 points
19. Tommy Morrison - 241 points
20 (tied). Deontay Wilder - 227 points
20 (tied). David Tua - 227 points
22. Anthony Joshua - 223 Points
23. Ezzard Charles - 221 points
24. Gene Tunney - 206 points
25. Floyd Patterson - 198 points
26. Corrie Sanders - 192 points
27. Andy Ruiz - 188 points
28. Ken Norton - 169 points
29. Hasim Rahman - 168 points
30. Alexander Povetkin - 155 points
31. Lamon Brewster - 152 points
32. Joseph Parker - 149 points
33. Tommy Burns - 147 points
34. Ray Mercer - 145 points
35. Shannon Briggs - 140 points
36. Daniel Dubois - 139 points
37. Chris Byrd - 136 points
38. Frank Bruno - 130 points
39. Max Schmeling - 129 points
40. Primo Carnera - 120 points
41 (tied). Jersey Joe Walcott - 113 points
41 (tied) . Ingemar Johansson - 113 points
43. James "Buster" Douglas - 97 points
44. Michael Moorer - 96 points
45. Tim Witherspoon - 94 points
46. Michael Spinks - 92 points
47. Max Baer - 91 points
48. Fabio Wardley - 90 points
49. Michael Dokes - 88 points
50. Jess Willard - 75 points
51. Tony Tucker - 71 points
52. John Ruiz - 68 points
53. Gerrie Coetzee - 37 points
54. Trevor Berbick - 35 points
55. Gerry Cooney - 32 points
56. Jack Sharkey - 31 points
57. Earnie Shavers - 15 points
58. Roy Jones Jr. - 11 points
59. Samuel Peter - 6 points
60. Pinklon Thomas - 5 points

P4P
1. Manny Pacquiao - 903 points
2. Evander Holyfield - 774 points
3. Julio Cesar Chavez - 733 points
4. Naoya Inoue - 685 points
5. Roberto Duran - 636 points
6. Ezzard Charles - 628 points
7. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 616 points
8. Ray Leonard - 607 Points
9. Marvin Hagler - 587 Points
10. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez - 586 Points
11. Terence Crawford - 557 Points
12. Tommy Hearns - 551 Points
13. Roy Jones Jr. - 524 Points
14. Oleksandr Usyk - 502 points
15. Oscar De La Hoya - 500 points
16. Gene Tunney - 476 points
17. Michael Spinks - 418 points
18 (tied). Naseem Hamed - 385 points
18 (tied). Felix Trinidad - 385 points
20. Vasyl Lomachenko - 346 points
21. Erik Morales - 320 points
22. Wilfred Benitez - 294 points
23. Floyd Patterson - 287 points
24. Aaron Pryor - 280 points
25. David Benavidez - 244 points
26. Michael Moorer - 240 points
27. Junto Nakatani - 191 points
28. Tommy Burns - 171 points
29. Arturo Gatti - 137 points

Unrated
Marvin Hart
Oleg Maskaev
Michael Bentt

I appreciate the list overall. Solid work. When I rank heavyweights, I prioritize clear wins over ranked/prime opponents and pay close attention to when those fights happened in a fighter’s career (prime vs. post-prime).

A few notes on placements .

I think are too high:Evander Holyfield feels a bit elevated. His record against top competition is tough: roughly 1-3-1 (or 1-4) against Riddick Bowe, losses to Lennox Lewis, mixed results vs. Michael Moorer (1-1), and 1-1-1 vs. John Ruiz. Factoring in other losses, I don’t see a strong case for him in the all-time top 10. He belongs in the conversation for the 11–20 range.

Riddick Bowe had the better of Holyfield in their series, but his next-best wins are who? He lands more comfortably in the top 11–20 rather than higher.

Tyson Fury and Corrie Sanders also seem overrated at their listed spots. Their resumes have quality moments, but not enough elite, prime wins to justify very high all-time placement.

Fabio Wardley in the ranking is a real head-scratcher.

Outside of those, the rest of the list looks reasonable.

[gilgamesh]

I appreciate your comments. Wardley is still active therefore his numbers will still rise and fall with his results. I wanted to have the Active guys on the list to see how their career legacies would be affected in real time with the results they've yet to have.

While I agree Bowe's resume is thin in regards to Quality wins, what I've found is honestly most Heavyweights have fairly thin resumes when it comes to really big wins, and most of 'em have losses that are a lot more embarrassing than losing to Holyfield which is the only loss Bowe has.

Fury may still rise or fall depending on how his career goes from here. Same with any active fighter.

Their Quality wins (Level of Opposition and Level of Performance) are my primary factors in what I consider to be big results. Some people probably think I'm too harsh with the points I deduct from the losses, but that came about for a reason early on in this process.