Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua | NETFLIX - Winter 2026

Who wins?

Poll runs till 08 Oct 2026, 20:56

Fury - Decision
13
27%
Fury - T/KO
17
35%
DRAW
2
4%
Joshua - T/KO
13
27%
Joshua - Decision
4
8%
 
Total votes: 49

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Finkel wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 06:45 At a certain point why not go the other way with it?
Say a 4pm ring walk for the main event. World wide television audiences are accommodated and the British fans aren't put out. Plus the Brits are hardly going to say no to a night out in London post-fight. Though maybe that presents different problems.
Even an 11 pm UK ring walk time, means it's 6pm ET.. which is not bad is it really?

They seem to wants it prime time USA, on the east coast. To hell with the British fans
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 07:03
Finkel wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 06:45 At a certain point why not go the other way with it?
Say a 4pm ring walk for the main event. World wide television audiences are accommodated and the British fans aren't put out. Plus the Brits are hardly going to say no to a night out in London post-fight. Though maybe that presents different problems.
Even an 11 pm UK ring walk time, means it's 6pm ET.. which is not bad is it really?

They seem to wants it prime time USA, on the east coast. To hell with the British fans
Early evening cards are the best.
I don't think PPV wise they are as successful though.
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Sendo Takeshi wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 07:18
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 07:03
Finkel wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 06:45 At a certain point why not go the other way with it?
Say a 4pm ring walk for the main event. World wide television audiences are accommodated and the British fans aren't put out. Plus the Brits are hardly going to say no to a night out in London post-fight. Though maybe that presents different problems.
Even an 11 pm UK ring walk time, means it's 6pm ET.. which is not bad is it really?

They seem to wants it prime time USA, on the east coast. To hell with the British fans
Early evening cards are the best.
I don't think PPV wise they are as successful though.
if it's Netflix, then that's not an issue.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 08:01
Sendo Takeshi wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 07:18
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 07:03

Even an 11 pm UK ring walk time, means it's 6pm ET.. which is not bad is it really?

They seem to wants it prime time USA, on the east coast. To hell with the British fans
Early evening cards are the best.
I don't think PPV wise they are as successful though.
if it's Netflix, then that's not an issue.
I forgot about that. F*ck them anyway then.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 08:01
Sendo Takeshi wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 07:18
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 07:03

Even an 11 pm UK ring walk time, means it's 6pm ET.. which is not bad is it really?

They seem to wants it prime time USA, on the east coast. To hell with the British fans
Early evening cards are the best.
I don't think PPV wise they are as successful though.
if it's Netflix, then that's not an issue.
I forgot about that. Well, f*ck them anyway then.
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Finkel wrote: 08 Jul 2026, 21:11 As a one-time Fury fan, I have to say that there is quite a bit wrong with this post.
Admittedly, there were a few minor errors in my original post, but the general sentiments and the vast majority of the facts I originally conveyed remain accurate.

Eddie Hearn didn’t want to promote Tyson Fury in 2018, which would have guaranteed the AJ fight, so ‘The Gypsy King’ fought Deontay Wilder instead. This definitely happened.

In March 2021, Joshua and Fury signed a contract to fight for the undisputed championship in Saudi Arabia. However, Wilder's team took the matter to an independent judge. The arbitrator ruled that Fury was legally obliged to honour his third-fight contract with Wilder first.

Joshua was rated lower than Wilder and Fury when they competed in their October 2021 rematch. But you are correct, AJ was rated above those guys in 2018.

In May 2024, Tyson Fury was interviewed stating that the Anthony Joshua fight was in the works, with plans in place for the duo to fight March the following year. What I originally wrote was correct.

Otto Wallin was undefeated when he fought Tyson Fury - this was also correct.

In terms of Dereck Chisora, I stand corrected – he was rated 13th not 10th by the WBC at heavyweight when he fought Fury for the third-time. However, 'Del Boy' eventually rejoined the top-ten IBF &WBO world heavyweight rankings during 2024/25, after scoring victories over Joe Joyce and Otto Wallin (rated as highly as 2nd place by the IBF).

I also stand corrected about Makhmudov. He had suffered one genuine defeat prior to the Fury bout - the outcome of the Vianello fight was determined by an eye injury. But I did consider Arslanbek a risky opponent for Tyson, in the context of an aging previously retired boxer (inactive for 16 months) making their comeback against a fighter with a 90%+ KO ratio.

It’s fair to say that since June 2019, the quality of Tyson Fury’s opposition is superior than AJ’s:

• Deontay Wilder (x3)
• Otto Wallin
• Dillian Whyte
• Derek Chisora
• Francis Ngannou
• Oleksandr Usyk (lost twice)
• Arslanbek Makhmudov

Here are Joshua’s opponents over the same timeframe:

• Andy Ruiz Jr (lost once)
• Kubrat Pulev
• Oleksandr Usyk (lost twice)
• Jermaine Franklin
• Robert Helenius
• Otto Wallin
• Francis Ngannou
• Daniel Dubois (lost and refused to activate the rematch clause)
• Jake Paul

‘The Gypsy King’ has been the proverbial A-side over Joshua since mid-2019. And there is compelling evidence that Fury wants the fight more than AJ does.
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Disgusting.

Mike sold his soul like Max did.
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Eolaithe wrote: 08 Jul 2026, 20:27
PRINCEKOOL wrote: 08 Jul 2026, 15:02 It is common knowledge that both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder 'both chose to fight each other instead of Joshua. Because they believed each other were the easier stylistic fights'.

Tyson Fury has always been apprehensive of Joshua 'in my opinion 'it is stylistically his most difficult fight to win of this Heavyweight era'.

When and if Tyson Fury fights Anthony Joshua 'Fury will be knocked out for the first time in his career' etc.
In early 2021, Fury and Joshua had actually signed a contract to fight for the undisputed championship in Saudi Arabia. However, Wilder's team took the matter to an independent judge. The arbitrator ruled that Fury was legally obliged to honor his third-fight contract with Wilder first. Walking away would have cost Fury tens of millions of dollars in legal damages, forcing the Fury-Joshua plans to be scrapped.
Tyson Fury knew that he had to rematch Deontay Wilder 'people who don't even follow boxing, were aware of this. Wilder as a former long time WBC Champion deserved a rematch, and initiated his rematch clause'.

Note: So in my opinion? Fury pretended not to be aware of this, and began to pipe up towards Anthony Joshua 'fully knowing that he had to fight Deontay Wilder'.

Many people in the boxing community, are aware 'how Tyson Fury operates, he will take actions which appear one way on the surface. But when you look deeper, he can at times make moves to just create a image or narrative'.

Tyson Fury has only ever mentioned Anthony Joshua 'during venerable times in his career. Most notably during his second loss vs. OIeksandr Uysk and very recently'.

Tyson Fury completely sabotaged fight negotiations in late 2022 'and by the looks of it? In my opinion he is experiencing extreme apprehensive during this latest saga of the Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua rivalry' etc.
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PRINCEKOOL wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 14:39Tyson Fury knew that he had to rematch Deontay Wilder 'people who don't even follow boxing, were aware of this. Wilder as a former long time WBC Champion deserved a rematch, and initiated his rematch clause'.

Note: So in my opinion? Fury pretended not to be aware of this, and began to pipe up towards Anthony Joshua 'fully knowing that he had to fight Deontay Wilder'.
.
According to the contract, the rematch was supposed to happen by July, but Wilder had some surgery, which delayed the bout. However, the contract included a 90-day delay clause, extending the deadline until October.

December 2020, Bob Arum stated that “The contract says Wilder's rights ran out at the end of October”.

The Fury-Wilder rematch took place during October 2021.
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Eolaithe wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 10:52
Finkel wrote: 08 Jul 2026, 21:11 As a one-time Fury fan, I have to say that there is quite a bit wrong with this post.
Admittedly, there were a few minor errors in my original post, but the general sentiments and the vast majority of the facts I originally conveyed remain accurate.
Fair enough, but if you are going to write that, you should still double check things on a second attempt.
Eddie Hearn didn’t want to promote Tyson Fury in 2018, which would have guaranteed the AJ fight, so ‘The Gypsy King’ fought Deontay Wilder instead. This definitely happened.
Certainly all true, but why didn't Hearn want to promote Tyson Fury?
In March 2021, Joshua and Fury signed a contract to fight for the undisputed championship in Saudi Arabia. However, Wilder's team took the matter to an independent judge. The arbitrator ruled that Fury was legally obliged to honour his third-fight contract with Wilder first.
Again, these facts are true, but this was very much a Fury problem.
Joshua was rated lower than Wilder and Fury when they competed in their October 2021 rematch. But you are correct, AJ was rated above those guys in 2018.
Fury was rated above Joshua, Wilder wasn't. After Fury II, Wilder wouldn't rate above Joshua until he beat Helenius in late 2022. Unfortunately, the renewed Wilder hype was shut down rather quickly by Parker.
In May 2024, Tyson Fury was interviewed stating that the Anthony Joshua fight was in the works, with plans in place for the duo to fight March the following year. What I originally wrote was correct.
That wasn't what you wrote, but sure, I guess. Though, I don't think we can really put much trust in the words of Fury given his track record.
Otto Wallin was undefeated when he fought Tyson Fury - this was also correct.
Being undefeated is a little different to being an established contender. He didn't really start to establish himself until much later. But sure.
In terms of Dereck Chisora, I stand corrected – he was rated 13th not 10th by the WBC at heavyweight when he fought Fury for the third-time. However, 'Del Boy' eventually rejoined the top-ten IBF &WBO world heavyweight rankings during 2024/25, after scoring victories over Joe Joyce and Otto Wallin (rated as highly as 2nd place by the IBF).
Dereck's wins were later and over guys rebuilding after career-defining losses. Joyce had his dreams smashed by Zhang, Wallin's by Joshua.

However, we can use retrospective rankings if you like. Boxrec seemingly operates that way with their star system.
I also stand corrected about Makhmudov. He had suffered one genuine defeat prior to the Fury bout - the outcome of the Vianello fight was determined by an eye injury. But I did consider Arslanbek a risky opponent for Tyson, in the context of an aging previously retired boxer (inactive for 16 months) making their comeback against a fighter with a 90%+ KO ratio.
He is suitable as a come-back opponent.
It’s fair to say that since June 2019, the quality of Tyson Fury’s opposition is superior than AJ’s:

• Deontay Wilder (x3)
• Otto Wallin
• Dillian Whyte
• Derek Chisora
• Francis Ngannou
• Oleksandr Usyk (lost twice)
• Arslanbek Makhmudov
That's not quite right. These were Fury's opponents over that time period:

• Tom Schwartz (2 star)
• Otto Wallin (3 star)
• Deontay Wilder II (4 star)
• Deontay Wilder III (3 star)
• Dillian Whyte (3 star)
• Derek Chisora (3 star)
• Francis Ngannou (1 star)
• Oleksandr Usyk I(loss) (5 star)
• Oleksandr Usyk II (loss) (5 star)
• Arslanbek Makhmudov (3 star)

I have added Boxrec's star ratings as an objective measure of retrospective match-up quality:
total = 32 stars (with losses)
total = 22 stars (excluding losses)
Here are Joshua’s opponents over the same timeframe:
• Andy Ruiz Jr I (loss) (4 star)
• Andy Ruiz Jr II (4 star)
• Kubrat Pulev (3 star)
• Oleksandr Usyk I(loss) (5 star)
• Oleksandr Usyk II (loss) (5 star)
• Jermaine Franklin (2 star)
• Robert Helenius (2 star)
• Otto Wallin (3 star)
• Francis Ngannou (1 star)
• Daniel Dubois (loss) (5 star)
• Jake Paul (2 star)

Total = 36 (with losses)
Total = 17 (excluding losses)

So, we can say that since June 2019, Fury has a better resume in terms of wins (+5), but an inferior resume in terms of opposition faced (-4).

It also becomes a little more complicated if we look at performances over mutual opponents throughout their career.
• Kevin Johnson - Fury (W-UD) - Joshua (W-TKO)
• W. Klitschko - Fury (W-UD) - Joshua (W-TKO)
• Dillian Whyte - Fury (W-TKO) - Joshua (W-TKO)
• Otto Wallin - Fury (W-UD) - Joshua (W-RTD)
• Francis Ngannou - Fury (W-SD) - Joshua (W-KO)
• Oleksandr Usyk I - Fury (L-SD) - Joshua (L-UD)
• Oleksandr Usyk II - Fury (L-UD) - Joshua (L-SD)
‘The Gypsy King’ has been the proverbial A-side over Joshua since mid-2019. And there is compelling evidence that Fury wants the fight more than AJ does.
Possibly. Difficult to say really. Fury needs to constantly tell us that he is the A-side, Joshua just gets on with things for the most part. Joshua's star has definitely faded, then again Fury is about to fight Wach in Thailand...
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Sendo Takeshi wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 13:56 Disgusting.

Mike sold his soul like Max did.
Bad isn't it.

Though I'm more surprised at reports of Sadiq Khan giving the go ahead on 4am!

I guess he wants everyone on the first buses home
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Netflix want the later start for Anthony Joshua-Tyson Fury, says Eddie Hearn

Eddie Hearn has claimed that Netflix believes there will be no difference in UK viewership between Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury walking to the ring at 11pm or 2am in the UK.

The debate over the location for the long awaited domestic dustup between Joshua and Fury has consumed the news ever since it was reported the pair had finally signed contracts. It has taken a new turn this week with Turki Alalshikh – the man funding the fight – announcing if the bout is to take place at London’s Wembley Stadium then the bout must start late into the night to accommodate an American broadcast audience.

The current curfew for fans to be out of Wembley is 11pm, but with the ring walks now being requested for 2am, that could mean fans being in the stadium until around 3am.

Hearn, however, has now claimed that the broadcaster of the event, Netflix, do not believe there will be any difference in British viewership if the ring walks were to start at a normal UK time of 11pm or the extended 2am. But there could be a significant drop in American viewership if the whole thing started at a sensible hour.

“Netflix wants to maximize the viewership for that fight,” Hearn told IFL TV. “They feel that a fight in the States at 5pm or 2pm on the West Coast doesn't rate [highly]. But a fight at 9pm East Coast or 10pm East Coast does rate significantly better. And they feel like if the fight was at 2am in the UK, the numbers would be exactly the same [as in the UK at] 11pm, and they're probably right.

“Everyone's going to watch, it doesn't really matter if it's at 2am or 11pm. But I'm just telling you and Turki's already explained it, the key is they're paying a lot of money. They want as big a global audience as possible. That's the reality of it."

https://www.youtube.com/c/ifltv
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Finkel wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 21:53
Eolaithe wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 10:52Eddie Hearn didn’t want to promote Tyson Fury in 2018, which would have guaranteed the AJ fight, so ‘The Gypsy King’ fought Deontay Wilder instead. This definitely happened.
Certainly all true, but why didn't Hearn want to promote Tyson Fury?
Eddie Hearn discussing the situation - as sourced by an article from the Independent on the 4th January 2022:

“It’s hard because AJ is a close friend of mine,” Hearn said on the Boxing Social podcast. “I always wanted them two to fight, have AJ be our guy and I could just imagine beating him.

“With Tyson, I flew him out to Monaco and he was about 26 stone. He was sweating, and I just thought to myself: ‘You ain’t ever fighting again.

“So the plan was to have two easy fights, by that we meant the likes of Sefer Seferi – which he did – but then have a step-up and fight like Manuel Charr.

“I was just thinking... If I had known that he would fight Sefer Seferi, someone else and then Deontay Wilder, I would have been all over it.”

Joshua and Fury were due to fight in 2021 but a court ruled the “Gypsy King” to see out his trilogy with Wilder.
Finkel wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 21:53
Eolaithe wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 10:52In March 2021, Joshua and Fury signed a contract to fight for the undisputed championship in Saudi Arabia. However, Wilder's team took the matter to an independent judge. The arbitrator ruled that Fury was legally obliged to honour his third-fight contract with Wilder first.
Again, these facts are true, but this was very much a Fury problem.
In terms of Wilder’s lawsuit preventing the AJ-Fury bout, it really wasn’t “very much a Fury problem”, because the contractual deadline for the rematch had definitely expired - even Deontay's team concede this.

However, the primary reason Deontay Wilder won his legal arbitration, was due to the Bronze Bomber’s team successfully arguing their failure to adhere to the signed contractual timescales were due to the disruptions caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.

And I’m sure we both appreciate the fact that, regardless as to how much anyone can possibly dislike Tyson Fury, surely we’re not going to blame him for the COVID-19 pandemic?

Tyson signed a contract to fight AJ in 2021, because everyone within his team (promoters, manager, lawyers etc.), were convinced he was no longer obliged to fight Wilder. Their argument was valid - the contractual timescales had expired..

You commented on one of my posts, where I was having a separate discussion with someone else, who keeps claiming that Fury is constantly ducking Joshua... not only avoiding the fight, but is also scared of him, hence the reason why I labour over the fact that Fury has repeatedly called-out and also signed multiple contracts to fight AJ.

I suspect the original person I was discussing this topic with, will inevitably accuse Tyson Fury for orchestrating the COVID-19 pandemic in order to avoid taking the Anthony Joshua fight. :D
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Finkel wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 21:53
Eolaithe wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 10:52In terms of Dereck Chisora, I stand corrected – he was rated 13th not 10th by the WBC at heavyweight when he fought Fury for the third-time. However, 'Del Boy' eventually rejoined the top-ten IBF &WBO world heavyweight rankings during 2024/25, after scoring victories over Joe Joyce and Otto Wallin (rated as highly as 2nd place by the IBF).
Dereck's wins were later and over guys rebuilding after career-defining losses. Joyce had his dreams smashed by Zhang, Wallin's by Joshua.

However, we can use retrospective rankings if you like. Boxrec seemingly operates that way with their star system.
This is off-topic and probably belongs in a separate thread, but I’ve always had a soft spot for Derek Chisora. Win or lose, he is rarely in a boring fight, and I think he has been underrated.

Chisora’s form has always been erratic, but when motivated by an opponent, he often showed top-ten world-class ability.

After losses to Fury, Helenius, Klitschko and Haye, he looked finished against Malik Scott in 2013.

There were also calls for him to retire after Dillian Whyte knocked him out in 2018.

Yet despite poor performances against Tyson Fury in 2022 and Gerald Washington in 2023, he later produced two of his best wins against Joyce and Wallin. He has also beaten Takam and Pulev.

He was more competitive against Oleksandr Usyk than most of the Ukraine’s bigger name opponents, and one could argue he deserved unofficial wins over Whyte, Parker and Helenius.

I’ve always felt Chisora was a better fighter than his résumé suggests.
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Eolaithe wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 15:16
PRINCEKOOL wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 14:39Tyson Fury knew that he had to rematch Deontay Wilder 'people who don't even follow boxing, were aware of this. Wilder as a former long time WBC Champion deserved a rematch, and initiated his rematch clause'.

Note: So in my opinion? Fury pretended not to be aware of this, and began to pipe up towards Anthony Joshua 'fully knowing that he had to fight Deontay Wilder'.
.
According to the contract, the rematch was supposed to happen by July, but Wilder had some surgery, which delayed the bout. However, the contract included a 90-day delay clause, extending the deadline until October.

December 2020, Bob Arum stated that “The contract says Wilder's rights ran out at the end of October”.

The Fury-Wilder rematch took place during October 2021.
It is commonsense; Deontay Wilder was a long time WBC heavyweight Champion 'if he had legitimate evidence that he was injured. Which prevented him from initiating his rematch clause within the 90 day period, then? It was very likely, that he was going to be given more time to make the rematch vs. Tyson Fury'.

Note: In my opinion? Tyson Fury was aware of this, he is quite astute and smart when it comes to the legal proceedings if the sport.

It was a near perfect time for Tyson Fury to challenge Anthony Joshua 'full well knowing, that the situation with Deontay Wilder was going to disrupt that fight. This is how Fury has always operated in the sport'.

So to casual sport fans on the surface 'it appears like Fury is really game to fight Joshua. But any real hardcore boxing fan knows that Fury is borderline petrified of Anthony Joshua' etc.
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Eolaithe wrote: 10 Jul 2026, 07:47
Finkel wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 21:53
Eolaithe wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 10:52In terms of Dereck Chisora, I stand corrected – he was rated 13th not 10th by the WBC at heavyweight when he fought Fury for the third-time. However, 'Del Boy' eventually rejoined the top-ten IBF &WBO world heavyweight rankings during 2024/25, after scoring victories over Joe Joyce and Otto Wallin (rated as highly as 2nd place by the IBF).
Dereck's wins were later and over guys rebuilding after career-defining losses. Joyce had his dreams smashed by Zhang, Wallin's by Joshua.

However, we can use retrospective rankings if you like. Boxrec seemingly operates that way with their star system.
This is off-topic and probably belongs in a separate thread, but I’ve always had a soft spot for Derek Chisora. Win or lose, he is rarely in a boring fight, and I think he has been underrated.

Chisora’s form has always been erratic, but when motivated by an opponent, he often showed top-ten world-class ability.

After losses to Fury, Helenius, Klitschko and Haye, he looked finished against Malik Scott in 2013.

There were also calls for him to retire after Dillian Whyte knocked him out in 2018.

Yet despite poor performances against Tyson Fury in 2022 and Gerald Washington in 2023, he later produced two of his best wins against Joyce and Wallin. He has also beaten Takam and Pulev.

He was more competitive against Oleksandr Usyk than most of the Ukraine’s bigger name opponents, and one could argue he deserved unofficial wins over Whyte, Parker and Helenius.

I’ve always felt Chisora was a better fighter than his résumé suggests.
He has atleast 5 losses to guys he shouldn't have been in the ring to (Vitali, Fury, Usyk) but also has losses to guys who were or eventually become top 5 or top 10 in Parker, Haye, Whyte, Pulev, Wilder and Kabayel. The only other loss remaining is Helenius. When you look at his somewhat relevant victories, you end up with an old Pulev, Wallin, old Joyce, Takam plus other slightly lower level opponents such as Malik Scott, Price and Szpilka. So he's probably somewhere around the level of Helenius, worse than younger Pulev, Whyte and Parker but better than Takam and Wallin. His durability helped him in fights where others would buckle so he often outlasted guys. If he had the same approach as other guys, rather than chasing paychecks, he would probably have about 10 less losses and 10 more wins against cans. Fringe top 10-15 for a decade.
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joshj909 wrote: 10 Jul 2026, 16:17
Eolaithe wrote: 10 Jul 2026, 07:47
Finkel wrote: 09 Jul 2026, 21:53Dereck's wins were later and over guys rebuilding after career-defining losses. Joyce had his dreams smashed by Zhang, Wallin's by Joshua.

However, we can use retrospective rankings if you like. Boxrec seemingly operates that way with their star system.
This is off-topic and probably belongs in a separate thread, but I’ve always had a soft spot for Derek Chisora. Win or lose, he is rarely in a boring fight, and I think he has been underrated.

Chisora’s form has always been erratic, but when motivated by an opponent, he often showed top-ten world-class ability.

After losses to Fury, Helenius, Klitschko and Haye, he looked finished against Malik Scott in 2013.

There were also calls for him to retire after Dillian Whyte knocked him out in 2018.

Yet despite poor performances against Tyson Fury in 2022 and Gerald Washington in 2023, he later produced two of his best wins against Joyce and Wallin. He has also beaten Takam and Pulev.

He was more competitive against Oleksandr Usyk than most of the Ukraine’s bigger name opponents, and one could argue he deserved unofficial wins over Whyte, Parker and Helenius.

I’ve always felt Chisora was a better fighter than his résumé suggests.
He has atleast 5 losses to guys he shouldn't have been in the ring to (Vitali, Fury, Usyk) but also has losses to guys who were or eventually become top 5 or top 10 in Parker, Haye, Whyte, Pulev, Wilder and Kabayel. The only other loss remaining is Helenius. When you look at his somewhat relevant victories, you end up with an old Pulev, Wallin, old Joyce, Takam plus other slightly lower level opponents such as Malik Scott, Price and Szpilka. So he's probably somewhere around the level of Helenius, worse than younger Pulev, Whyte and Parker but better than Takam and Wallin. His durability helped him in fights where others would buckle so he often outlasted guys. If he had the same approach as other guys, rather than chasing paychecks, he would probably have about 10 less losses and 10 more wins against cans. Fringe top 10-15 for a decade.
Derek Chisora is a courageous fighter, and I commend his efforts during his career 'but purely as a fighter, many people within the British boxing community overrate him'.

Note: Chisora has lost all of his biggest most significant fights which are: Tyson Fury, David Haye and Dillian Whyte 'and then many more top level fights'.

I would actually say the best win on his resume is Joe Joyce 'the fight vs. Kubret Pulev could have went either way, but nevertheless I suppose that is also a solid win'.

Anthony Joshua has consistently fought at a higher level than Tyson Fury 'throughout his entire career. People are aware that he has fought and beaten two Olympic Champions, both Wladimir Kiltschko and Alexander Povetkin'.

In my opinion, Tyson Fury currently right now is looking for ways out of the fight with Anthony Joshua 'I will not be surprised in the slightest if that fight does not happen',

Stylistically it is Tyson Fury's most difficult fight of this Heavyweight era 'I would not describe Joshua as a complete nightmare for Fury, but he is definitively a bad dream' etc.
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Principality Stadium bosses would be 'delighted to host' Anthony Joshua-Tyson Fury

Principality Stadium officials have volunteered to host the Anthony Joshua-Tyson Fury contest should their counterparts at Wembley Stadium fail to comply with the wishes of Turki Alalshikh and Netflix.

The heavyweight bout, between two British superstars, needs to start at prime time in the US to boost audience figures which would mean the opening bell being struck in the middle of the night in the UK.

Wembley officials have not confirmed if a start time of 2am or later will be possible. The London venue's curfew currently stands at 11pm.

However, should the organizers wish to consider Cardiff as an option then the Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) - owners of the stadium - have stated they can oblige.

"We'd be delighted to host this fight," a WRU spokesperson told Sky Sports and the BBC.

"We are very keen to attract more boxing to the stadium which has a rich history in the sport, enhanced by its closable roof, unrivalled sight lines and unique city centre location."

Should the showdown land in Cardiff, it would mark Joshua's third outing in the impressive stadium. He defeated Carlos Takam there in 2017 and Joseph Parker the following year.

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Speaking on his YouTube channel, Froch on Fighting, ‘The Cobra’ made his feelings clear about the potential early morning fight.



“I don’t know why they are worried too much about the American audience. It is a British fight, with two British fighters, everyone I excited about these two coming together and getting it on, it needs to be on British soil at Wembley Stadium or Tottenham Hotspur’s, wherever, at a reasonable hour – 10 o’clock.

“In the middle of November, it is going to be freezing cold. We don’t mind being freezing cold at 10/11 o’clock, but not at four in the f***ing morning, it is taking the p**s.

“I feel like Turki Al-Alshikh may be paying a lip service or putting together a bit of an excuse by saying ‘I am waiting to see what Transport For London or the police in London are saying,’. I don’t think that they are going to allow 79,000 fans to leave Wembley Stadium at four in the morning, it is not going to happen.

“If they are going to try and accommodate for American T.V. then it might as well be over in America.”
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