Oleksandr Usyk vs Ray Mercer

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Since Usyk has relinquished his titles and Mercer's most meaningful fights were 10-rounders, let's say Mercer faces Usyk in a non-title 10-rounder.

Not exactly a common plot for our community, but...

Usyk vs Mercer. 10,3 minute rounds.

How it goes?

[gilgamesh]

Usyk would win a wide decision. 7 rounds to 3. 8 rounds to 2. Something like that.

[Cent0089]

Usyk by wide points decision. Possibility of constant beating in 11 and 12 forcing ref to stop fight

[scorpio83]

Usyk would outbox Mercer to take a decision.

[Seamus]

Usyk something like 8-1-1 or 9-1

[Ambling Alp II]

Just like Lewis and Holyfield did.

[margaret thatcher]

ya usyk would beat him too

[Ambling Alp II]

Yeah, sure.

[Seamus]

You forgot 42 yr old Larry Holmes and Jesse Ferguson.

[margaret thatcher]

Yeah, sure.

ya sure, absolutely crazy to pick usyk in this fight. next thing people will be saying his cruiser legacy ranks above james toney's

[gilgamesh]

Yeah, sure.

You don't think Usyk could beat Mercer? What exactly do you see Mercer doing to win?

[gilgamesh]

You forgot 42 yr old Larry Holmes and Jesse Ferguson.

Don't forget the "Draw" with Marion Wilson which should've been a loss for Mercer.

Wilson had a losing record by the way, but humiliated Mercer and made him look like sh*t.

After that performance Wilson proceeded to win 5 of his next 40 or so bouts and finish with more than 3x as many losses as he has wins.

[Cojimar 1946]

Holmes and Ferguson beat Mercer pretty decisively.

[keithmoonhangover]

Usyk would outbox him on the way to a wide decision.

[Ambling Alp II]

Yeah, sure.

ya sure, absolutely crazy to pick usyk in this fight. next thing people will be saying his cruiser legacy ranks above james toney's

So did a lot of people at the time. It is amazing how much better a cruiserweight since he became a heavyweight.

[Ambling Alp II]

You forgot 42 yr old Larry Holmes and Jesse Ferguson.

And Usyk got an iffy decision against the Joshua and almost lost to a flippin kickboxer. Whcih is now being spun into an "achievement".

And a 42-year old Holmes was actually pretty good.

Mercer was very inconsistent. At his worst, he was bad, not denying that. But at his best he was really good. He gave Holyfield a very competitive fight when Holyfield was still a great fighter in a great fight. He should have got the decision against Lewis in a great fight as well.
People should watch those fights. Or the Morrison fight.

[Ambling Alp II]

You forgot 42 yr old Larry Holmes and Jesse Ferguson.

Well a 42-year old Hplmes was still pretty good.

How about Usyk in that pillow fight against Joshua? Or barely beating a kickboxer.? Come on.

Of course Mercer looked terrible sometimes. He was very inconsistent.
However, he was on, he very good.
Gave Holyfield all that could handle when Holyfield was still great.
Probably, should have got the decision against Lewis.
People should watch those fights. Or the Morrison fights.

This is not the automatic win people think it is.

[margaret thatcher]

Yeah, sure.

ya sure, absolutely crazy to pick usyk in this fight. next thing people will be saying his cruiser legacy ranks above james toney's

So did a lot of people at the time. It is amazing how much better a cruiserweight since he became a heavyweight.

ya sure, the man who beat a single top 15 cruiser, never made a title defense, never unified, etc ranks higher, everyone really thought so

[Seamus]

Got a related question here regarding comments Ambling Alp has made more than once. What was everyone's opinion of the two Usyk-Joshua bouts ? I had Usyk winning the first bout by 5 and I believe he had AJ hurt at the final bell' In the rematch Joshua did better, but I still had Usyk winning by 2. Would anyone consider the rematch to have been a pillow fight as Alp called it ?

[Cent0089]

Got a related question here regarding comments Ambling Alp has made more than once. What was everyone's opinion of the two Usyk-Joshua bouts ? I had Usyk winning the first bout by 5 and I believe he had AJ hurt at the final bell' In the rematch Joshua did better, but I still had Usyk winning by 2. Would anyone consider the rematch to have been a pillow fight as Alp called it ?

Usyk put a boxing masterclass in first fight IMO he won at least 10 of 12 rounds and put savage beating in last round on AJ. Beating HW champ like that in his hometown is underrated AF. AJ made some solid adjustmenst in second fight. Usyk won that 117-110 on my scorecards, but it was not as comfortable for him as the first fight. AJ held his own there. Both fights were very good and i enjoyed them just like every true boxing fan. Best fought the best in HW division. Love it. Guys like this Ambling Alp tend to overrate boxers from past and underrate current boxers. It is pretty common. In another topic one poster wrote Terrence Crawford does not belong in the league with Alexis Arguello lol.

[margaret thatcher]

Got a related question here regarding comments Ambling Alp has made more than once. What was everyone's opinion of the two Usyk-Joshua bouts ? I had Usyk winning the first bout by 5 and I believe he had AJ hurt at the final bell' In the rematch Joshua did better, but I still had Usyk winning by 2. Would anyone consider the rematch to have been a pillow fight as Alp called it ?

not at all, 2nd fight was decent, joshua did better but still beaten clearly

alp simply cant be fair to usyk, he really claimed that toney has a stronger cruiser legacy when toney beat a single top 15 guy

[Ambling Alp II]

Jabbing at the other guy's gloves is not master class. Usyk did not look good in that pillow fight. Giving Usyk 10 of 12 rounds is absurd.
There have been many good, very good, and great fighters in the last several years.
There are bad, mediocre, good, and great fighters in all eras. This includes well before my time, when I first became a fan up until now. But the heavyweight division has sucked for quite a while.
Do you seriously most young fans are fair to fighters before their time?

[Cent0089]

Got a related question here regarding comments Ambling Alp has made more than once. What was everyone's opinion of the two Usyk-Joshua bouts ? I had Usyk winning the first bout by 5 and I believe he had AJ hurt at the final bell' In the rematch Joshua did better, but I still had Usyk winning by 2. Would anyone consider the rematch to have been a pillow fight as Alp called it ?

not at all, 2nd fight was decent, joshua did better but still beaten clearly

alp simply cant be fair to usyk, he really claimed that toney has a stronger cruiser legacy when toney beat a single top 15 guy

Yeah, some of those guys are out of reality

[gilgamesh]

Jabbing at the other guy's gloves is not master class. Usyk did not look good in that pillow fight. Giving Usyk 10 of 12 rounds is absurd.
There have been many good, very good, and great fighters in the last several years.
There are bad, mediocre, good, and great fighters in all eras. This includes well before my time, when I first became a fan up until now. But the heavyweight division has sucked for quite a while.
Do you seriously most young fans are fair to fighters before their time?

They're definitely more fair to them than you are for any 21st century fighter that's for damn sure.

[Ambling Alp II]

Really? I have said many times that there have been many really good fighters in this century. Pacquaio, Mayweather, DLH, Crawford, GGG, Calzaghe, etc.
It the heavyweight division that has sucked for a long time. But must us talk about the heavyweight division about 90% of the time. It's always been that way.
There is a reason that long time boxing fans left in droves in the early 2000s. The heavyweight division sucked.

I know that sport didn't magically get better the day I became a fan. Many current fans have no interest in what came before them. Which is fine, not everyone is into history. As long as they don't just automatically say fighters in their time are better than those before their time if they aren't, which happens an awful lot.