Hey guys. let's make boxrec.com 20 greatest fighters list

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 02 Oct 2006, 17:17

Elmer,
I think it has gone on long enough. Go ahead and total it up. It should be interesting.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 02 Oct 2006, 17:48

Ambling Alp wrote:Elmer,
I think it has gone on long enough. Go ahead and total it up. It should be interesting.

Yeah, let's wrap up before we get more Marciano #1s....

Let's see how this compares to the forum list jezzamundo compiled only a couple of months ago (see my first post in this thread).

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 04 Oct 2006, 14:04

OK guys, I will compile all the results and give the final tally. This should be forever our official heavyweight ranking, just like the boxrec hall of fame thread results.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Oct 2006, 15:00

elmersalsa wrote:OK guys, I will compile all the results and give the final tally. This should be forever our official heavyweight ranking, just like the boxrec hall of fame thread results.

Sorry, while it will be nice to get your results, jezzamundo's survey a few months ago was more comprehensive and as a consequence one should stick to this one as "boxrec AT heavyweight ranking". As a reminder, the outcome was:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. George Foreman
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Joe Frazier
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Sonny Liston
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Mike Tyson
13. James Jeffries
14. Ezzard Charles
15. Gene Tunney
16. Sam Langford
17. Jersey Joe Walcott
18. Floyd Patterson
19. Harry Wills
20. Max Schmeling

Let's see whether your list deviates much from this.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 09 Oct 2006, 15:53

Thanks for your votes!!!

The results are now in the all time lifetime thread of boxrec.com for the year 2006.

Now let's rate the cruiserweights!

This is my vote for the 20 greatest cruiserweights of all time.

1. Evander Holyfield
2. Carlos "Sugar" DeLeon
3. Vassily Jirov
4. Al "Ice" Cole
5. Anaclet Wamba
6. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
7. Jean Marc Mormerck
8. Juan Carlos Gomez
9. Fabrice Tiozzo
10. Orlin Norris
11. Nate Miller
12. O'neill Bell
13. Robert Daniels
14. Ralf Rochiggiani
15. James Toney
16. Johnny Nelson
17. Wayne Brathwaite
18. Arthur Williams
19. Lee Roy Murphy
20. Bobby Czyz

Let's vote please

cosand · Post by **cosand** » 09 Oct 2006, 21:42

No offense guys, but this subject never fails to crack me up.

"ARE YOU CRAZY ? Don'y you know fighter A fought fighter B in 1932, and that was the year that hs stubbed his toe, and fighter C had tougher opponets that year, So you see, fighter E, who fought fighter A a year before, beat him, but was knocked out by Fighter F, who in the second fight of his career, was KOd by Fighter Cs stablemate, who once lost a close decision to fighter G. Besides that, fighter C once had a draw with fighter A, and fighter H was fighter Ds sparring parttner, and he once gave him a bloody nose, so that proves fighter B was better then fighter D, who was much better then fighter H, unless you are talking about 1934, when fighter H was a much better fighter then fighter A, C OR D, or 1936, when fighter A was the best in the division ! (Duhhhh!!)
So based on that, your list sucks, beacuse you have fighter B at 19th, when he should be at 20th, and you have fighter A at 17th when any fool can see he should be NO higher then 19th !!! Whats WRONG with you ?????

LOL

These lists, especially after the top 5, within reason, are totally subjective. It is a bit...no,,it is very silly to argue over fighter A being otwo or 3 slot behind Fighter B, when "He should be one slot ahead of him damn it" !!!

It is just too funny how some try to over intellectualize it.

Some criteria would help as well.

Against each other in their prime ?
Who had the best run during their prime ?
Who did the best against their opponents ?
Who acheived the most over the coarse of their career ?

All very different lists, especially since prior to the 70s, most of the all time great heavyweights, would have been cruiserweights.

Would Ezzard Charles have beaten Valuev ? No ? Oh, so does that mean Valuev belongs in the top 20 ???????

Ranking lists are cool, but without criteria, and when some think they have the exacxt numbers down to some pseudo scinece, it just becomes a silly pissing contest.

Evander · Post by **Evander** » 09 Oct 2006, 23:05

I'm no big historian thats for sure but I will offer my list off the top of my head.
There are many fighters I just didn't get to see much of,or the footage of the bout was not of good quality.
Anyway my top 10

1.Ali
2.Louis
3.Johnson
4.Holmes
5.Foreman
6.Holyfield
7.Tyson
8.Marciano
9.Liston
10.Tunney

thyx · Post by **thyx** » 10 Oct 2006, 06:09

Heavy:
1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Johnson
4. Foreman
5. Holmes
6. Dempsey
7. Marciano
8. Frazier
9. Norton
10. Langford
11. Lewis
12. Tyson
13. Bowe
14. Holyfield
15. Liston
16. Jeffries
17. Wills
18. Patterson
19. Tunney
20. Schmeling

Cruiser:
1. Holyfield
2. De Leon
3. Wamba
4. Jirov
5. Bell
6. Mormeck
7. Hill
8. Nelson
9. Tiozzo
10. Cole
11. Ocasio
12. Gomez
13. Qawi
14. Camel
15. Braithwaite
16. Norris
17. Gurov
18. Miller
19. Daniels
20. Murphy

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 10 Oct 2006, 06:42

I'd suggest keeping to the original 8 weight classes first and then going back afterwards for the jrs and Cruiserrs otherwise we might run out of enthusiasm...

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 10 Oct 2006, 09:18

Thyx

No matter how much I detest him, I can't believe you left James Toney off your top 20 Cruiserweights. I haven't made out a list, but I might rate him as high as 2 all time.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 10 Oct 2006, 09:38

Seamus wrote:Thyx

No matter how much I detest him, I can't believe you left James Toney off your top 20 Cruiserweights. I haven't made out a list, but I might rate him as high as 2 all time.

I was thinking the same thing. he HAS to be in the top 10, probably in the top 5.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 10 Oct 2006, 12:42

thyx wrote:Heavy:
1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Johnson
4. Foreman
5. Holmes
6. Dempsey
7. Marciano
8. Frazier
9. Norton
10. Langford
11. Lewis
12. Tyson
13. Bowe
14. Holyfield
15. Liston
16. Jeffries
17. Wills
18. Patterson
19. Tunney
20. Schmeling

Cruiser:
1. Holyfield
2. De Leon
3. Wamba
4. Jirov
5. Bell
6. Mormeck
7. Hill
8. Nelson
9. Tiozzo
10. Cole
11. Ocasio
12. Gomez
13. Qawi
14. Camel
15. Braithwaite
16. Norris
17. Gurov
18. Miller
19. Daniels
20. Murphy

thyx gave his personal list of the top 20 cruiserweigths. C'mon guys, let's see more lists.

thyx · Post by **thyx** » 10 Oct 2006, 16:06

I hear your remarks. However, I think that Toney was particularly a great middleweight and super-middleweight. But after reflexion, I will have been able to classify it.
Best regards

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 10 Oct 2006, 21:17

Ill jump in with a cruiser list soon.
I gotta think it through . But whats the opinion here on cruiserweight Alfonso Ratliff .
He beat Carlos Deleon.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 13 Oct 2006, 17:28

No votes for the cruiserweights folks???