David Haye given eliminator

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 09 Oct 2006, 16:16

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6033979.stm good news I guess. hope if he wins he defends against Mormeck

Grilling Machine · Post by **Grilling Machine** » 09 Oct 2006, 16:21

I'd really like to see Haye vs. Bell.
Probably one of the best matchups about now.

Course, Maccarinelli vs. Haye is also a fantastic prospect.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 09 Oct 2006, 16:26

Grilling Machine wrote:I'd really like to see Haye vs. Bell.
Probably one of the best matchups about now.

Course, Maccarinelli vs. Haye is also a fantastic prospect.

Mac is over rated I would prefer Haye Hobson because with styles making fights I think Hobson's classic style could cause haye trouble.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 09 Oct 2006, 16:31

Mac would beat Haye. He can fight for 3 mins of 12 rounds, can dig and takes an okay shot. As long as he dosent get caught cold early he'd beat Haye. Unfortuanatly we'll never know as Haye will either loose to Bell or jump to heavy.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 09 Oct 2006, 16:39

One thing is for sure,Mac v Haye would end in KO!

Haye wins IMO.Just a better boxer than Mac.Although,both have dodgy chins,so by no means a foregone conclusion.

As was said,don't think it will happen.
Enzo will take the WBO mandatory route for the next few years,whilst Haye seems to harbour greater ambitions.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 09 Oct 2006, 16:40

When Mac fought hobson someone who realy fought 3 mins each round he should have lost, add to that Haye's punch and you have something worrying. Haye now uses his jab much better and I really expect big things its really a question as to weatehr he stays around long enough to woop Mac's wealsh arse

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 09 Oct 2006, 16:48

Haye's stoppage loss was down to his piss poor stamina, rather than a dodgy chin. I think he'd stop Maccarinelli, if he trains to fight 12 rounds.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 09 Oct 2006, 17:20

He trains to fight 12 each time, he just doesn't train hard enough to keep any sort of pace up. He freely admited he trained for 12 against abdoul, his version of 12 is quiet different to other fighters version of 12.

Enzo cal will whip Macca into shape, no doubt.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 09 Oct 2006, 17:37

Abdoul was little more than a public sparing session he is still developing and learnt how to jab. Rip off for the fans but not realy what he will look like in a bigger fight.

Timmbo · Post by **Timmbo** » 10 Oct 2006, 03:20

Question is can Haye beat Bell, Is he ready?
O'Neil Bell is quite tough an order he KO'd Mormeck who is no pushover.Maybe David Haye should have a few fights above ebu level,before stepping up?

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 10 Oct 2006, 03:34

Nobody Haye has faced so far will prepare him for Bell imo. Haye may have the advantage in speed, skills and probably power but he hasn't been properly pushed in any fight outside of the Thompson fight and we all know how he folded then.

I like Haye and geniuinly think he has the talent to do something on the world stage but I think he will suffer from the Hobson fight not coming off as he would definitely have been tested at a fast pace. You can't just say he can train for 12 rounds and be ok and unless Fragomeni can give him a tough fight I think he'll be way out of his depth in with Bell.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 10 Oct 2006, 05:30

Bell's nothing special.

Mormeck was beating him clearly until he ran out of gas and Bell's just sitting on his titles waiting for a money fight, so I'm favouring Haye against him.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 10 Oct 2006, 06:58

Bell is nothing special? Try the worlds best cruiserweight right now. And he's a tough bastard, Haye will need a lot more than 10 punches a round to beat him. Bell is far more durable than Carl Thompson.

Raff The Frenchman · Post by **Raff The Frenchman** » 10 Oct 2006, 07:04

Max Molyneux wrote:Bell's nothing special.

Mormeck was beating him clearly until he ran out of gas and Bell's just sitting on his titles waiting for a money fight, so I'm favouring Haye against him.

Mormeck trained like shit and came inactive and unprepared...Brown battered Bell for 12 rounds...while Mormeck easily beat up Brown...

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 10 Oct 2006, 07:08

nickd wrote:Bell is nothing special? Try the worlds best cruiserweight right now. And he's a tough bastard, Haye will need a lot more than 10 punches a round to beat him. Bell is far more durable than Carl Thompson.

Best? He's the champ but not the best.

Bell is chinny unlike Thompson too.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 10 Oct 2006, 07:21

Max Molyneux wrote:
nickd wrote:Bell is nothing special? Try the worlds best cruiserweight right now. And he's a tough bastard, Haye will need a lot more than 10 punches a round to beat him. Bell is far more durable than Carl Thompson.
Best? He's the champ but not the best.

Bell is chinny unlike Thompson too.

Who's the best then? Mormeck was the champ and considered the best Cruiser therefore by beating him Bell becomes the best surely? Please do explain what I am missing here!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 11 Oct 2006, 04:02

Mormeck in shape and not inactive will beat Bell in a rematch.

As long as Haye doesn't neglect Stamina either I have no doubt he'd beat Bell.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 11 Oct 2006, 04:18

As long as Haye doesn't neglect Stamina either I have no doubt he'd beat Bell.

But that could be like saying as long as Femi Fehintola hits with power or as long as Herbie Hide learns to take a shot or Scott Harrison fights on the back foot. Who is to say Haye can have stamina? And i'm sure we would all like it tested before he steps in with Bell to ground down the best in the division for a stoppage win

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 11 Oct 2006, 06:50

Max Molyneux wrote:Mormeck in shape and not inactive will beat Bell in a rematch.

As long as Haye doesn't neglect Stamina either I have no doubt he'd beat Bell.

No doubt he'd beat Bell? Saying that is absolutely ridiculous. Haye is yet to prove he can win a tough fight, Bell is a far far harder test than 40+ Carl Thompson. Haye is yet to prove he can gut out a win in a tough fight, or fight 12 rounds at a decent pace. So how anyone could have no doubts he'd beat Bell is way beyond me. He has a chance but Bell would start a heavy favourite in most peoples eyes.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 11 Oct 2006, 07:52

Bell gets outboxed by Brown and gets a gift decision and Rothman was winning until he was Ko'ed.

TheGoods · Post by **TheGoods** » 11 Oct 2006, 08:16

http://www.itv-boxing.com/News/Story_Pa ... 98,00.html

From the above it seems Haye certainly fancies the job against Bell. That fight would be something special and I make it 50-50. Also can't see it going late.

JC · Post by JC » 11 Oct 2006, 10:16

nickd wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Mormeck in shape and not inactive will beat Bell in a rematch.

As long as Haye doesn't neglect Stamina either I have no doubt he'd beat Bell.
No doubt he'd beat Bell? Saying that is absolutely ridiculous.

Have to agree there, it's even more rdiculous than saying Haye will definately beat Thmpson...

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 11 Oct 2006, 11:16

Raff The Frenchman wrote:
Mormeck trained like shit and came inactive and unprepared...Brown battered Bell for 12 rounds...while Mormeck easily beat up Brown...

Trained like shit and came in "unprepared" for a unification fight?

Rather unusual tactics.

I wonder who did that worshipful interview with Haye for ITV. The ITV man says he can't understand the critisism Haye got for his last fight - where he threw 4 punches per round. Well I suppose we're lucky it wasn't 3 punches per round.