JOHN DUDDY IS NOT BRITISH!!!!

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 11 Oct 2006, 15:51

I think its time this thread went bye bye.

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 11 Oct 2006, 16:34

silkov wrote:
sligobhoy67 wrote:
silkov wrote:I do think its pathetic the way that the yanks go all wobbly kneed over any boxer with an ounce of Irish in them... the fact that many of them over the years have finainced the IRA is rather ironic with their current stance on world 'terrorism' .... 8)
the IRA arnt terrorists - the British Army are!!! I'm not going to get into that on this forum!
Tell that to the civilians that have been killed or maimed by them you fool!...

this is my last post on this angle - but have you ever heard of Bloody Sunday - you need a history lesson - you shouldnt just get all your information from the front page of The Sun

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 11 Oct 2006, 16:35

Anyway - like I said did you see the Campas fight?? What British middleweight would have a chance against this "club fighter"??

Floyd · Post by **Floyd** » 11 Oct 2006, 16:49

silkov wrote:
c2ute wrote:Yeh but the yanks have god on their side!
So it seems... I suppose Bush is one of the three wise men!... 8)

Bush one of the three wise men. Now that is funny. Bush is a simpleton like most Southerners.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 11 Oct 2006, 16:55

sligobhoy67 wrote:Anyway - like I said did you see the Campas fight?? What British middleweight would have a chance against this "club fighter"??

You're an idiot... the Bloody Sunday incident doesnt justify the killing and maiming of people who had nothing to do with that... if you or someone in your family had been blown up by the IRA perhaps you'd have a different view... but you obviously cant think that deeply... and for the last time mate Duddy is a shite clubfighter in truth who will not go anywhere in true world class... our British light-middleweight champion Jamie Moore would beat him... i've seen plenty of him and hes shite to be brutally frank, the way some of you twits are building him up is just nonsense... Taylor would murder him!...

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 11 Oct 2006, 18:12

silkov wrote:
sligobhoy67 wrote:Anyway - like I said did you see the Campas fight?? What British middleweight would have a chance against this "club fighter"??
You're an idiot... the Bloody Sunday incident doesnt justify the killing and maiming of people who had nothing to do with that... if you or someone in your family had been blown up by the IRA perhaps you'd have a different view... but you obviously cant think that deeply... and for the last time mate Duddy is a shite clubfighter in truth who will not go anywhere in true world class... our British light-middleweight champion Jamie Moore would beat him... i've seen plenty of him and hes shite to be brutally frank, the way some of you twits are building him up is just nonsense... Taylor would murder him!...

This is not the place for this type of discussion - if you want ot carry it on PM my and I will educate you.

Secondly this is not a thread about the ability of Duddy - this is a thread about nationality, Duddy's nationality - if you havent anything to add to this discussion then please stop posting or start a new thread about his ability.

kind regards

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 11 Oct 2006, 18:16

the IRA arnt terrorists - the British Army are!!! I'm not going to get into that on this forum!

Why even mention it if this is a Duddy thread?

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 11 Oct 2006, 20:00

Max Molyneux wrote:
the IRA arnt terrorists - the British Army are!!! I'm not going to get into that on this forum!
Why even mention it if this is a Duddy thread?

Why mention it?? read the post above it - this is a boxing forum - this is a thread about Duddy's nationality yet he seems to think its ok to bring this type of arguement into it!

Its pretty much sums up the ignorant attitude of many English posters on this site!!

Why cant he stick to the topic in hand without resorting to imovtive issues like that. There was no need for it but still it could not and should not have gone unanswered or without comment. The guy is ignorant with regards this issue, much like you were Max - and I mean that in the correct use of the term - that is lacking in knowledge - I remember some our your posts on this issue until you did some reading on the topic.

Duddys Irish - sin e!

MERC · Post by **MERC** » 11 Oct 2006, 23:49

Nothing wrong with Laurel and Hardy mate, cept they arent Irish ofcourse!... I've got nothing against the Irish at all nor Americans in general... but I am fed up with the arrogant Yanks that infiltrate this forum and start or end every sentence with 'stupid Brits' ...with out us stupid Brits Bush would have been out on his arse long ago... still looking at it that way we are stupid!....

80% of Americans dont support Bush (including me) so we should be happy you "kept him from being out on his arse"??? You're Ignorant to associate the majority of Americans with Bush. And it doesn't make me arrogant to call you a "dumb brit" because well... you are one. You coming on here bashing Duddy for no apparent reason makes you look like a fool and proves nothing about his nationality... which is of course IRISH!

salaco · Post by **salaco** » 12 Oct 2006, 05:36

It is ridiculous to call Duddy a club fighter at this juncture, he's already dispatched of some decent pugs like Pierre, and he's probably underrated at this point for fighting Campas in the only fashion the latter could look decent-straight-up and toe-to-toe....as for Jamie Moore, Duddy would pound him, he's a lot bigger and punches harder and Moore would present no movement...obviously you have a knee-jerk response to the thrust of this thread which has resulted in hysterical dismissal of Duddy's prospects...Sure, he is not in Taylor's class but does that make him a "club fighter"? 8)

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2006, 05:38

sligobhoy67 wrote:
silkov wrote:
sligobhoy67 wrote:Anyway - like I said did you see the Campas fight?? What British middleweight would have a chance against this "club fighter"??
You're an idiot... the Bloody Sunday incident doesnt justify the killing and maiming of people who had nothing to do with that... if you or someone in your family had been blown up by the IRA perhaps you'd have a different view... but you obviously cant think that deeply... and for the last time mate Duddy is a shite clubfighter in truth who will not go anywhere in true world class... our British light-middleweight champion Jamie Moore would beat him... i've seen plenty of him and hes shite to be brutally frank, the way some of you twits are building him up is just nonsense... Taylor would murder him!...
This is not the place for this type of discussion - if you want ot carry it on PM my and I will educate you.

Secondly this is not a thread about the ability of Duddy - this is a thread about nationality, Duddy's nationality - if you havent anything to add to this discussion then please stop posting or start a new thread about his ability.

kind regards

If this isnt the place then why did you bring it up you twat!... as for education go and educate yourself... I know your type, think you know it all but if a bomb went off under your arse you'd soon change your point of view... you're an idiot.
Secondly I can mention Duddys 'ability' or rather lack of it here if I want, and you know what you can do if you dont like it!...

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2006, 05:44

salaco wrote:It is ridiculous to call Duddy a club fighter at this juncture, he's already dispatched of some decent pugs like Pierre, and he's probably underrated at this point for fighting Campas in the only fashion the latter could look decent-straight-up and toe-to-toe....as for Jamie Moore, Duddy would pound him, he's a lot bigger and punches harder and Moore would present no movement...obviously you have a knee-jerk response to the thrust of this thread which has resulted in hysterical dismissal of Duddy's prospects...Sure, he is not in Taylor's class but does that make him a "club fighter"? 8)

Duddy is not world class, simple as that, and nothing you say will change it and he could start saying he's Mexican but he'll still be just an glorified clubfighter... end of.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 12 Oct 2006, 06:20

sligobhoy67 wrote:
silkov wrote:
sligobhoy67 wrote: the IRA arnt terrorists - the British Army are!!! I'm not going to get into that on this forum!
Tell that to the civilians that have been killed or maimed by them you fool!...
this is my last post on this angle - but have you ever heard of Bloody Sunday - you need a history lesson - you shouldnt just get all your information from the front page of The Sun

WHICH Bloody Sunday are you talking about by the way?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2006, 06:56

yiddo14 wrote:
sligobhoy67 wrote:
silkov wrote: Tell that to the civilians that have been killed or maimed by them you fool!...
this is my last post on this angle - but have you ever heard of Bloody Sunday - you need a history lesson - you shouldnt just get all your information from the front page of The Sun
WHICH Bloody Sunday are you talking about by the way?

Dont bother replying to him, ...he's an idiot.

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 12 Oct 2006, 07:33

silkov wrote:I do think its pathetic the way that the yanks go all wobbly kneed over any boxer with an ounce of Irish in them... the fact that many of them over the years have finainced the IRA is rather ironic with their current stance on world 'terrorism' .... 8)

How can you say I brought it up - this was the first post on this issue - who made the post??

Also this thread is not about Duddy's ability its about nationality, you are the one that it trying to drag this thread into the gutter! - if he was a bum with a 0-35 record would it then be OK to call him Irish?? Have you anything to constructive to add to the discussion??

try and deal with facts and then there will be no need for any abuse to be thrown!

salaco · Post by **salaco** » 12 Oct 2006, 07:52

silkov wrote:
salaco wrote:It is ridiculous to call Duddy a club fighter at this juncture, he's already dispatched of some decent pugs like Pierre, and he's probably underrated at this point for fighting Campas in the only fashion the latter could look decent-straight-up and toe-to-toe....as for Jamie Moore, Duddy would pound him, he's a lot bigger and punches harder and Moore would present no movement...obviously you have a knee-jerk response to the thrust of this thread which has resulted in hysterical dismissal of Duddy's prospects...Sure, he is not in Taylor's class but does that make him a "club fighter"? 8)
Duddy is not world class, simple as that, and nothing you say will change it and he could start saying he's Mexican but he'll still be just an glorified clubfighter... end of.

Having beaten campas, pierre and a few other respectables, he's already fringe world class, there aren't too many top 20-30 comparable MW prospects with a similar resume. There's a lot of hate in you dude, let it go....

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 12 Oct 2006, 08:30

I posted this on the AA thread also but it applies directly here also. If Boxrec would come out and state on what basis they categorise a boxers nationality then there would be no problem.

The problem here is how Boxrec designates nationality - this is an issue that is continually avoided by Boxrec -

Boxrec should make a clear rule and apply it to all equally. So what is it Boxrec considers when stating nationality - Is it based on:-

The country the boxer was born in?

The country their parents were born in or ethnicity?

Were they grew up and went to school?

Where they first started to box?

Where they trained to box?

What country/countries national tournaments did they fight for as an amateur?

What country/countries national title did they hold as an amateur?

What country/countries did they represent as an amateur?

What country they first fought as a professional?

What country they currently fight in as a professional?

Where they won their fight professional title?

Where they live?

What country/countries national title did they fight for as a professional?

What they themselves consider their nationality?

What about when the legal status of the country they were born in is altered? (e.g. split of USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia - altering of legal status of Hong Kong, Northern Ireland - counties who name/borders change)

What passport/passports do they hold?

What is their citizenship?

What flag/flags they carry into the ring?

What about when they alter their citizenship to progress their career?

BOXREC - which one of these or which combination of these is it that is considered when assessing nationality??? An answer to this would then end all these arguments!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2006, 09:05

Fringe world class isnt world class though is it??.... and its not as if he had an easy time of it against Campas and some of the other fringe fighters he's fought. Being cut up by Campas is not a performance by someone who is heading places... as for me having hate, thats just a childish statement, I'm just telling it like it is, Duddy is good to watch but he isnt world class and its as simple as that...

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 12 Oct 2006, 09:29

Terence wrote:

People complained on a different thread about Taylor fighting the likes of Cuevas. He did not get tagged repeatedly by them.

Plus Campas is a finished, blown-up fighter, I am not saying Moore will 100% win but someone is going to shock Duddy sooner rather than later, Campas did it to all extents and purposes.

Plus calling Duddy an inferior fighter is a valid claim, saying it is based on hate is US-style jive-talking pimperey.

if you want to talk about Duddy's credability as a boxer start a new thread please - this thread is about his nationality

thanks

salaco · Post by **salaco** » 12 Oct 2006, 09:53

silkov wrote:Fringe world class isnt world class though is it??.... and its not as if he had an easy time of it against Campas and some of the other fringe fighters he's fought. Being cut up by Campas is not a performance by someone who is heading places... as for me having hate, thats just a childish statement, I'm just telling it like it is, Duddy is good to watch but he isnt world class and its as simple as that...

In that case, you must have a pretty narrow criteria for world-class, does that mean there are only, say, 15-20, even 25, truly world class middleweights on the planet?....as for the hate, a moment ago you were claiming a mediocre british junior middle (Moore) would take him, thats a pretty skewed view IMO...in fact, based on your comments above, I'd venture to say you have an anti-irish thing going on, but hey, do your thing....

MERC · Post by **MERC** » 12 Oct 2006, 10:18

Fringe world class isnt world class though is it??.... and its not as if he had an easy time of it against Campas and some of the other fringe fighters he's fought. Being cut up by Campas is not a performance by someone who is heading places... as for me having hate, thats just a childish statement, I'm just telling it like it is, Duddy is good to watch but he isnt world class and its as simple as that...

Silkov you are truley an idiot... What makes someone world class?? 18-0 15 KO's and hes ranked 12 out of every middle weight in the world... but I guess hes just some club scrub fighter right? Do some research and quit coming across as a complete fool who doesn't make good points to support his case.

salaco · Post by **salaco** » 12 Oct 2006, 10:26

Terence wrote:
sligobhoy67 wrote:
silkov wrote:I do think its pathetic the way that the yanks go all wobbly kneed over any boxer with an ounce of Irish in them... the fact that many of them over the years have finainced the IRA is rather ironic with their current stance on world 'terrorism' .... 8)
How can you say I brought it up - this was the first post on this issue - who made the post??

Also this thread is not about Duddy's ability its about nationality, you are the one that it trying to drag this thread into the gutter! - if he was a bum with a 0-35 record would it then be OK to call him Irish?? Have you anything to constructive to add to the discussion??

try and deal with facts and then there will be no need for any abuse to be thrown!
He is a bum with a 18-0 record so he is half an Irishman. Half Irish? Reclassify him as a Manc.

People complained on a different thread about Taylor fighting the likes of Cuevas. He did not get tagged repeatedly by them.

Plus Campas is a finished, blown-up fighter, I am not saying Moore will 100% win but someone is going to shock Duddy sooner rather than later, Campas did it to all extents and purposes.

Plus calling Duddy an inferior fighter is a valid claim, saying it is based on hate is US-style jive-talking pimperey.

Freddie Cuevas was not a championship fighter at any point, Campas at least has this distinction. Campas was recently whitewashed by Eric Regan who was basically too fast for him, the two things which yory boy cannot handle well at this point are speed and movement. Duddy stood in front of him and traded. He has a good left hook, he's aggressive and he's shown that he doesn't fold under pressure, not a bad acid test even if it did highlight all his deficiencies.

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 12 Oct 2006, 11:11

What exactly was exposed about Duddy in the Campas fight?

A bad chin? No stamina? No heart? Lack of ability to make ajustments in mid fight?

I assume most of these "Duddy is a club fighter" posters didn't actually watch the Campas fight.
If they did they would have seen him stand toe to toe and slug with Campas, get badly rocked in the second round and then from the fourth round on beat the living shit out of Yory Boy, buckling his legs several times and haveing him out on his feet in the 8th.

Most propects would have folded after the beating Duddy took in the second round but from the fourth round on he composed himself and boxed very well.

He showed a very good chin and fine stamina (the pace of that fight was brutal) and a great ability to double and triple up his left hooks and jabs.

His flaws were highlighted, tendancy to get drawn into brawls, leaky defense, fights too upright. They can be easily fixed by a decent trainer.

The Duddy nuthuggers who think he will be a long reigning unified champion are delusional but the people here who call him a clubfighter and think that Jamie flipping Moore, of all people, will beat him and just as delusional.

J · Post by J » 12 Oct 2006, 12:21

personally i reckon Moore vs Duddy would be a great war.

if that makes me delusional so be it.

as for the nationlism thing fuckinell I really dont care.

salaco · Post by **salaco** » 12 Oct 2006, 12:39

Terence wrote:
salaco wrote:
Terence wrote: He is a bum with a 18-0 record so he is half an Irishman. Half Irish? Reclassify him as a Manc.

People complained on a different thread about Taylor fighting the likes of Cuevas. He did not get tagged repeatedly by them.

Plus Campas is a finished, blown-up fighter, I am not saying Moore will 100% win but someone is going to shock Duddy sooner rather than later, Campas did it to all extents and purposes.

Plus calling Duddy an inferior fighter is a valid claim, saying it is based on hate is US-style jive-talking pimperey.
Freddie Cuevas was not a championship fighter at any point, Campas at least has this distinction. Campas was recently whitewashed by Eric Regan who was basically too fast for him, the two things which yory boy cannot handle well at this point are speed and movement. Duddy stood in front of him and traded. He has a good left hook, he's aggressive and he's shown that he doesn't fold under pressure, not a bad acid test even if it did highlight all his deficiencies.
Salaco, good to see you took this opportunity to prove yourself a hypocrite, plus you are wrong so it is a double-doozy.

A few weeks back you was bouncing all over some thread calling Taylor for not fighting 'genuine' MW's on his way up. Was Duddy not fighting the same Campas who fought in lower weight divisions.

So Taylor gets singled out right? Even though he was not tagged time after time versus Cuevas in the way Duddy was.

You also gave Taylor hell for fighting Ouma straight after three fights with Hopkins and Wright. Duddy is hardly setting a pace is he? He is struggling through boxing nursery classes so far.

You accused me of being some kind of Taylor freak for not slating him for fighting smaller weight guys (according to your BS-tinted glasses view) on the way up, you said it was not a good sign. Yet here you are talking Duddy up.

These jive-talking US posters have a saying old chap, "owned".

"jive-talking"?wtf.. stop with this sort of thing, its cringeworthy...

This goes to show that you didn't grasp my argument last week. What I was pointing out was that Taylor did not have one definitive win over a genuine world class middleweight yet, and that HBO and DiBella feeding him Ouma, a featherpunching Junior Middleweight to give him that standout victory sucked ass, it reeked of exploitation..
The argument then degenerated into a discussion of whether Freddie Cuevas or Daniel Edouard were world class middleweights....they are not, and neither is Duddy's opposition to date - in fact its not too dissimilar at all from Taylor's opp prior to facing Hopkins...

Btw, I'm hardly talking Duddy up, I've already pointed out a number of times in this thread that a. he's not in taylor's class b. he might win a title but he'll never win the championship c. that he's raw as hell d. he'll make a good TV fighter but not much more probably.
It only looks like I'm talking him up because of the claims in this thread that one-dimensional British junior middles should be betting favorites against him...

Arguing with you is like explaining quantum mechanics to a chimp, kind of pointless, feel free to misinterpret the above paragraphs as you like...