Islam. A growing problem? What can or should be done?

[Ricky]

Samuel is associated with genocide.

See 1 Samuel, chapter 15. Netanyahu has often referred to it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=KJV

Islam is associated with a Warmongering pedophile.

And Christianity is not?

Whataboutery, but since you asked, no, Jesus was probably pretty decent. Apparently he was banging Mary Magdelin, but she wasn't 9.

[IKSRTFO]

Islam is associated with a Warmongering pedophile.

And Christianity is not?

Whataboutery, but since you asked, no, Jesus was probably pretty decent. Apparently he was banging Mary Magdelin, but she wasn't 9.

Didn't King David send his entire country to war while cheating on his wife with Bethsheba?

[gilgamesh]

Samuel is associated with genocide.

See 1 Samuel, chapter 15. Netanyahu has often referred to it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=KJV

Islam is associated with a Warmongering pedophile.

And Christianity is not? America's purpose in going to war with the middle east is based on religious beliefs. You don't see them going after Russia or China who is a threat to their capitalist beliefs.

Anything the American government does is about money. I suspect the Israeli Government likes never ending war for the money it makes too. Especially when someone else foots the bill.

[Perkin Warbeck]

Who is the worst prophet: Muhammad, Moses, Jeremiah, or Samuel?

Samuel was the one who ordered King Saul to kill babies. I'd rate him as the very worst.

1 Samuel 15: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=KJV

[Baby Face Finster]

The only problem with your argument is that both Christianity and Judaism have had reformations so that the followers, with the exception of the small groups of hard core extremists, know not to take everything literally and to follow through on every horrible thing that God commands in the Old or New Testament. The same can't be said of Islam.

Everything in the Koran is considered infallible, inerrant, and the verbatim word of God so that anyone who doesn't follow it to the letter of the law are considered bad Muslims.

[Perkin Warbeck]

The only problem with your argument is that both Christianity and Judaism have had reformations so that the followers, with the exception of the small groups of hard core extremists, know not to take everything literally and to follow through on every horrible thing that God commands in the Old or New Testament. The same can't be said of Islam.

Everything in the Koran is considered infallible, inerrant, and the verbatim word of God so that anyone who doesn't follow it to the letter of the law are considered bad Muslims.

No.

Muslims do not all treat every word of the Quran as woodenly literal in the same way some Christian fundamentalists treat Genesis or other passages.

Orthodox Muslims almost universally hold that the Quran is the verbatim, uncreated speech of God. That is a core article of faith. It does not, however, require taking every phrase in its most surface-level, non-figurative sense. The Quran itself distinguishes two kinds of verses (3:7): muhkamat (clear, foundational) and mutashabihat (ambiguous or less immediately obvious). Classical tafsir routinely recognizes metaphor (majaz), simile, metonymy, and other rhetorical devices. A common example is “lower to them the wing of humility” (17:24); no one thinks God is describing an actual wing.

Descriptions of God that sound anthropomorphic—“hand,” “face,” “sitting on the Throne”—are a major historical flashpoint. The dominant Sunni schools (Ashʿari and Maturidi) either interpret these figuratively or consign the exact meaning to God while denying any bodily resemblance (tafwid, bi-la kayf).

Extreme literalism that would make God corporeal has generally been rejected as tashbih. Some Athari/Salafi voices insist more strongly on affirming the wording as it stands, but even they typically add “without how” and reject physicality.

Sufi and many Shia traditions go further and speak of an outer (zahir) and inner (batin) meaning, sometimes multiple layers. They treat some verses as pointing to spiritual or metaphysical realities beyond the historical or legal surface.

Legal and narrative passages are usually read as reporting actual events or issuing real commands, but even here scholars apply context (asbab al-nuzul), abrogation, and linguistic analysis rather than isolated literalism. Modernist and contextualist interpreters add historical and social setting as another layer.

Surveys show noticeable variation by country and education: large majorities affirm the Quran as God’s word, yet sizable minorities say multiple interpretations are possible and do not treat every verse as straightforwardly literal. Islam is not a monolith on this point any more than Christianity is.

In short: the text is regarded as divine and authoritative, but the tradition has always contained tools for distinguishing literal from figurative, clear from ambiguous, and outer from inner meaning. “All Muslims take every word literally” is a stereotype, not a description of the actual interpretive history.

[Baby Face Finster]

You are a liar and argue in bad faith.

Everyone can clearly see you hate Jews with a passion. I'm done engaging with a piece of shit like you. On ignore you go you cunt.

[Perkin Warbeck]

You are a liar and argue in bad faith.

Everyone can clearly see you hate Jews with a passion. I'm done engaging with a piece of shit like you. On ignore you go you cunt.

The very title of this thread reveals your own hatred for Muslims.

I don't hate Jews, I just believe the life of a Palestinian child is worth as much as the life of a Israeli child.

[giacomino]

I don’t get the hatred of Muslims or Jews. I hate what Israel did to Gaza and what illegal Israeli settlers have done to Palestinians, and I hate what Hamas did to innocent Israelis. 100 percent of my Jewish and Muslim friends are good folks. Muslims aren’t going to institute Sharia Law in the US or Canada, and a vast majority assimilate, just like Italians and Mexicans and Irish and Germans and Jews and IndIANS and Chinese and Poles and etc. before them, .in the US

That doesn’t’ mean there shouldn’t be immigration enforcement. There definitely should be and a willingness to assimilate should be a factor in whether somebody is let in for any period of time. ( and obviously other things like criminal history). But just calling a group of people based on their religion “a growing problem” is overly simplistic to the extreme

[NazNaci1]

I don’t get the hatred of Muslims or Jews. I hate what Israel did to Gaza and what illegal Israeli settlers have done to Palestinians, and I hate what Hamas did to innocent Israelis. 100 percent of my Jewish and Muslim friends are good folks. Muslims aren’t going to institute Sharia Law in the US or Canada, and a vast majority assimilate, just like Italians and Mexicans and Irish and Germans and Jews and IndIANS and Chinese and Poles and etc. before them, .in the US

That doesn’t’ mean there shouldn’t be immigration enforcement. There definitely should be and a willingness to assimilate should be a factor in whether somebody is let in for any period of time. ( and obviously other things like criminal history). But just calling a group of people based on their religion “a growing problem” is overly simplistic to the extreme

Good post, Gia

[IKSRTFO]

The only problem with your argument is that both Christianity and Judaism have had reformations so that the followers, with the exception of the small groups of hard core extremists, know not to take everything literally and to follow through on every horrible thing that God commands in the Old or New Testament. The same can't be said of Islam.

Everything in the Koran is considered infallible, inerrant, and the verbatim word of God so that anyone who doesn't follow it to the letter of the law are considered bad Muslims.

That is the same thing with Christianity. Why else would anyone care if another person is homosexual or transgender?

[Baby Face Finster]

I don’t get the hatred of Muslims or Jews. I hate what Israel did to Gaza and what illegal Israeli settlers have done to Palestinians, and I hate what Hamas did to innocent Israelis. 100 percent of my Jewish and Muslim friends are good folks. Muslims aren’t going to institute Sharia Law in the US or Canada, and a vast majority assimilate, just like Italians and Mexicans and Irish and Germans and Jews and IndIANS and Chinese and Poles and etc. before them, .in the US

That doesn’t’ mean there shouldn’t be immigration enforcement. There definitely should be and a willingness to assimilate should be a factor in whether somebody is let in for any period of time. ( and obviously other things like criminal history). But just calling a group of people based on their religion “a growing problem” is overly simplistic to the extreme

Well I made the mistake of not inserting a question mark after the statement “A Growing Problem.” For that I apologize.

I should have phrased it as a question and asked that if you believe it to be so “what can or should be done?”

[Tony1244]

I don’t get the hatred of Muslims or Jews. I hate what Israel did to Gaza and what illegal Israeli settlers have done to Palestinians, and I hate what Hamas did to innocent Israelis. 100 percent of my Jewish and Muslim friends are good folks. Muslims aren’t going to institute Sharia Law in the US or Canada, and a vast majority assimilate, just like Italians and Mexicans and Irish and Germans and Jews and IndIANS and Chinese and Poles and etc. before them, .in the US

That doesn’t’ mean there shouldn’t be immigration enforcement. There definitely should be and a willingness to assimilate should be a factor in whether somebody is let in for any period of time. ( and obviously other things like criminal history). But just calling a group of people based on their religion “a growing problem” is overly simplistic to the extreme

Well I made the mistake of not inserting a question mark after the statement “A Growing Problem.” For that I apologize.

I should have phrased it as a question and asked that if you believe it to be so “what can or should be done?”

I agree with people I usually seem to disagree with that giacomino made an excellent post. Perhaps he can bring us together to find some common ground.

Some of the people writing that they don't hate any group only point out the atrocities on one side. Selective outrage.

Islam in and of itself isn't a problem. Radical Islam is. Unfortunately, huge pluralities and often majorities of people living in Muslim countries have radical views. Most American Muslims do not. I reckon in Europe it is somewhere in the middle of the US and ME.

Immigration should be reduced dramatically.

[giacomino]

I don’t get the hatred of Muslims or Jews. I hate what Israel did to Gaza and what illegal Israeli settlers have done to Palestinians, and I hate what Hamas did to innocent Israelis. 100 percent of my Jewish and Muslim friends are good folks. Muslims aren’t going to institute Sharia Law in the US or Canada, and a vast majority assimilate, just like Italians and Mexicans and Irish and Germans and Jews and IndIANS and Chinese and Poles and etc. before them, .in the US

That doesn’t’ mean there shouldn’t be immigration enforcement. There definitely should be and a willingness to assimilate should be a factor in whether somebody is let in for any period of time. ( and obviously other things like criminal history). But just calling a group of people based on their religion “a growing problem” is overly simplistic to the extreme

Well I made the mistake of not inserting a question mark after the statement “A Growing Problem.” For that I apologize.

I should have phrased it as a question and asked that if you believe it to be so “what can or should be done?”

I agree with people I usually seem to disagree with that giacomino made an excellent post. Perhaps he can bring us together to find some common ground.

Some of the people writing that they don't hate any group only point out the atrocities on one side. Selective outrage.

Islam in and of itself isn't a problem. Radical Islam is. Unfortunately, huge pluralities and often majorities of people living in Muslim countries have radical views. Most American Muslims do not. I reckon in Europe it is somewhere in the middle of the US and ME.

Immigration should be reduced dramatically.

While I disagree with you that immigration in the US should be "dramatically" reduced (illegal immigration - like boats coming into England or the Ceuta invasion, yes; well-vetted immigration to investigate someone's background and whether they would benefit US society, no), I agree on radicalized Islam. I am always saddened to read after the fact that so-and-so suicide bomber/murderer in a Western country was "radicalized" at a local Mosque. While I believe in Freedom of Religion, and Freedom from Religion, radicalizing people is the equivalent of yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater (I know I am mixing First Amendment freedoms, but the metaphor almost fits). When I read some Mosque "radicalized" someone, I want to immediately investigate, and if true, arrest and deport the leaders of that Mosque to an El Salvadorian prison and turn the Mosque into a World War II Museum.

[Baby Face Finster]

Well I made the mistake of not inserting a question mark after the statement “A Growing Problem.” For that I apologize.

I should have phrased it as a question and asked that if you believe it to be so “what can or should be done?”

I agree with people I usually seem to disagree with that giacomino made an excellent post. Perhaps he can bring us together to find some common ground.

Some of the people writing that they don't hate any group only point out the atrocities on one side. Selective outrage.

Islam in and of itself isn't a problem. Radical Islam is. Unfortunately, huge pluralities and often majorities of people living in Muslim countries have radical views. Most American Muslims do not. I reckon in Europe it is somewhere in the middle of the US and ME.

Immigration should be reduced dramatically.

While I disagree with you that immigration in the US should be "dramatically" reduced (illegal immigration - like boats coming into England or the Ceuta invasion, yes; well-vetted immigration to investigate someone's background and whether they would benefit US society, no), I agree on radicalized Islam. I am always saddened to read after the fact that so-and-so suicide bomber/murderer in a Western country was "radicalized" at a local Mosque. While I believe in Freedom of Religion, and Freedom from Religion, radicalizing people is the equivalent of yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater (I know I am mixing First Amendment freedoms, but the metaphor almost fits). When I read some Mosque "radicalized" someone, I want to immediately investigate, and if true, arrest and deport the leaders of that Mosque to an El Salvadorian prison and turn the Mosque into a World War II Museum.

The problem is those Imams don't think they are radical, they truly believe that they are simply being good Muslims because they are following what the Koran tells them to do and request the same of the people who go to the Mosque.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that anyone espousing extremist views and calling for violence against anyone should be arrested and imprisoned and after their sentence is done deported back to where they came from and the Mosque that hosted them should be taken over as if it were the proceeds of crime by the State and sold.

[giacomino]

I agree with people I usually seem to disagree with that giacomino made an excellent post. Perhaps he can bring us together to find some common ground.

Some of the people writing that they don't hate any group only point out the atrocities on one side. Selective outrage.

Islam in and of itself isn't a problem. Radical Islam is. Unfortunately, huge pluralities and often majorities of people living in Muslim countries have radical views. Most American Muslims do not. I reckon in Europe it is somewhere in the middle of the US and ME.

Immigration should be reduced dramatically.

While I disagree with you that immigration in the US should be "dramatically" reduced (illegal immigration - like boats coming into England or the Ceuta invasion, yes; well-vetted immigration to investigate someone's background and whether they would benefit US society, no), I agree on radicalized Islam. I am always saddened to read after the fact that so-and-so suicide bomber/murderer in a Western country was "radicalized" at a local Mosque. While I believe in Freedom of Religion, and Freedom from Religion, radicalizing people is the equivalent of yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater (I know I am mixing First Amendment freedoms, but the metaphor almost fits). When I read some Mosque "radicalized" someone, I want to immediately investigate, and if true, arrest and deport the leaders of that Mosque to an El Salvadorian prison and turn the Mosque into a World War II Museum.

The problem is those Imams don't think they are radical, they truly believe that they are simply being good Muslims because they are following what the Koran tells them to do and request the same of the people who go to the Mosque.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that anyone espousing extremist views and calling for violence against anyone should be arrested and imprisoned and after their sentence is done deported back to where they came from and the Mosque that hosted them should be taken over as if it were the proceeds of crime by the State and sold.

Agree but it doesn’t matter to me if the Imam doesn’t think that he’s radicalizing and one of his followers blows up people. Same goes for Christian pastors inciting followers to kill doctors who perform abortions, or if somebody egged on Charlie Kirk’s killer, or Jan. 6th rioters storming the Capitol after listening to Trump tell supporters that Congress was letting Libs get away with stealing the election. It’s all yelling “fire!” in a crowded theater and people in positions of authority/of influence shouldn’t just get a shoulder roll in those situations. There should be consequences, just as there are for any of us when we eff up.

[Baby Face Finster]

While I disagree with you that immigration in the US should be "dramatically" reduced (illegal immigration - like boats coming into England or the Ceuta invasion, yes; well-vetted immigration to investigate someone's background and whether they would benefit US society, no), I agree on radicalized Islam. I am always saddened to read after the fact that so-and-so suicide bomber/murderer in a Western country was "radicalized" at a local Mosque. While I believe in Freedom of Religion, and Freedom from Religion, radicalizing people is the equivalent of yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater (I know I am mixing First Amendment freedoms, but the metaphor almost fits). When I read some Mosque "radicalized" someone, I want to immediately investigate, and if true, arrest and deport the leaders of that Mosque to an El Salvadorian prison and turn the Mosque into a World War II Museum.

The problem is those Imams don't think they are radical, they truly believe that they are simply being good Muslims because they are following what the Koran tells them to do and request the same of the people who go to the Mosque.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that anyone espousing extremist views and calling for violence against anyone should be arrested and imprisoned and after their sentence is done deported back to where they came from and the Mosque that hosted them should be taken over as if it were the proceeds of crime by the State and sold.

Agree but it doesn’t matter to me if the Imam doesn’t think that he’s radicalizing and one of his followers blows up people. Same goes for Christian pastors inciting followers to kill doctors who perform abortions, or if somebody egged on Charlie Kirk’s killer, or Jan. 6th rioters storming the Capitol after listening to Trump tell supporters that Congress was letting Libs get away with stealing the election. It’s all yelling “fire!” in a crowded theater and people in positions of authority/of influence shouldn’t just get a shoulder roll in those situations. There should be consequences, just as there are for any of us when we eff up.

Any calls for violence from any religion deserves to be treated the same. I don't differentiate between a Muslim blowing up people or Christian anti-abortionists shooting doctors. They are both terrorists and deserve harsh punishment imo.

[Ruthless-RKO]

kill each other over the cave-dwelling paedo warlord they worship.

Who’s that then?

[banjo]

Religion needs to be taxed, anyone in the UK who follows a religion should be taxed at 99%

[Tony1244]

Well I made the mistake of not inserting a question mark after the statement “A Growing Problem.” For that I apologize.

I should have phrased it as a question and asked that if you believe it to be so “what can or should be done?”

I agree with people I usually seem to disagree with that giacomino made an excellent post. Perhaps he can bring us together to find some common ground.

Some of the people writing that they don't hate any group only point out the atrocities on one side. Selective outrage.

Islam in and of itself isn't a problem. Radical Islam is. Unfortunately, huge pluralities and often majorities of people living in Muslim countries have radical views. Most American Muslims do not. I reckon in Europe it is somewhere in the middle of the US and ME.

Immigration should be reduced dramatically.

While I disagree with you that immigration in the US should be "dramatically" reduced (illegal immigration - like boats coming into England or the Ceuta invasion, yes; well-vetted immigration to investigate someone's background and whether they would benefit US society, no), I agree on radicalized Islam. I am always saddened to read after the fact that so-and-so suicide bomber/murderer in a Western country was "radicalized" at a local Mosque. While I believe in Freedom of Religion, and Freedom from Religion, radicalizing people is the equivalent of yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater (I know I am mixing First Amendment freedoms, but the metaphor almost fits). When I read some Mosque "radicalized" someone, I want to immediately investigate, and if true, arrest and deport the leaders of that Mosque to an El Salvadorian prison and turn the Mosque into a World War II Museum.

Immigration in Europe needs to be reduced dramatically from everything I've been reading and seeing. In the US, immigration should be reduced and in both places it should dependent upon a real need for labor. Can a country really not find any laborers who were born here or are the companies being stingy and wanting to save money?

Are you a non-radicalized doctor or boxer? Come on in! A lazy POS who wants to go on welfare Get the F out!

[giacomino]

I agree with people I usually seem to disagree with that giacomino made an excellent post. Perhaps he can bring us together to find some common ground.

Some of the people writing that they don't hate any group only point out the atrocities on one side. Selective outrage.

Islam in and of itself isn't a problem. Radical Islam is. Unfortunately, huge pluralities and often majorities of people living in Muslim countries have radical views. Most American Muslims do not. I reckon in Europe it is somewhere in the middle of the US and ME.

Immigration should be reduced dramatically.

While I disagree with you that immigration in the US should be "dramatically" reduced (illegal immigration - like boats coming into England or the Ceuta invasion, yes; well-vetted immigration to investigate someone's background and whether they would benefit US society, no), I agree on radicalized Islam. I am always saddened to read after the fact that so-and-so suicide bomber/murderer in a Western country was "radicalized" at a local Mosque. While I believe in Freedom of Religion, and Freedom from Religion, radicalizing people is the equivalent of yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater (I know I am mixing First Amendment freedoms, but the metaphor almost fits). When I read some Mosque "radicalized" someone, I want to immediately investigate, and if true, arrest and deport the leaders of that Mosque to an El Salvadorian prison and turn the Mosque into a World War II Museum.

Immigration in Europe needs to be reduced dramatically from everything I've been reading and seeing. In the US, immigration should be reduced and in both places it should dependent upon a real need for labor. Can a country really not find any laborers who were born here or are the companies being stingy and wanting to save money?

Are you a non-radicalized doctor or boxer? Come on in! A lazy POS who wants to go on welfare Get the F out!

I would agree if that were a big problem in the US, but it is also greatly exaggerted by the Fox News/Social Media keyboard warriors. When I lived in Georgia welfare was $225 a month for a family of four. Food stamps was about the same. Who in Atlanta was living on $450 a month, including immigrants? Likely few to nobody. A vast majority work. The welfare queens using their food-stamp money to buy Vodka is right out of the Reagan era of BS. I have no idea if that is true in Europe. My father-in-law in Spain gripes all the time about immigrants getting free health care and too much in the way of benefits in Spain, so maybe it is an issue here for poor immigrants. I am an immigrant on public health care, but I also pay income taxes/VAT taxes to help fund it

[Tony1244]

While I disagree with you that immigration in the US should be "dramatically" reduced (illegal immigration - like boats coming into England or the Ceuta invasion, yes; well-vetted immigration to investigate someone's background and whether they would benefit US society, no), I agree on radicalized Islam. I am always saddened to read after the fact that so-and-so suicide bomber/murderer in a Western country was "radicalized" at a local Mosque. While I believe in Freedom of Religion, and Freedom from Religion, radicalizing people is the equivalent of yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater (I know I am mixing First Amendment freedoms, but the metaphor almost fits). When I read some Mosque "radicalized" someone, I want to immediately investigate, and if true, arrest and deport the leaders of that Mosque to an El Salvadorian prison and turn the Mosque into a World War II Museum.

Immigration in Europe needs to be reduced dramatically from everything I've been reading and seeing. In the US, immigration should be reduced and in both places it should dependent upon a real need for labor. Can a country really not find any laborers who were born here or are the companies being stingy and wanting to save money?

Are you a non-radicalized doctor or boxer? Come on in! A lazy POS who wants to go on welfare Get the F out!

I would agree if that were a big problem in the US, but it is also greatly exaggerted by the Fox News/Social Media keyboard warriors. When I lived in Georgia welfare was $225 a month for a family of four. Food stamps was about the same. Who in Atlanta was living on $450 a month, including immigrants? Likely few to nobody. A vast majority work. The welfare queens using their food-stamp money to buy Vodka is right out of the Reagan era of BS. I have no idea if that is true in Europe. My father-in-law in Spain gripes all the time about immigrants getting free health care and too much in the way of benefits in Spain, so maybe it is an issue here for poor immigrants. I am an immigrant on public health care, but I also pay income taxes/VAT taxes to help fund it

I'm sure it's exaggerated, but I'm also sure it exists. I haven't recently researched the Reagan/Fox claim, but my statement was a blanket statement about having the right attitude. Of course, good people use welfare in tough times.

[jujigatame]

It really doesn't exist. It's hard enough for US citizens to get welfare benefits, undocumented immigrants certainly aren't getting them.

[gilgamesh]

Immigration in Europe needs to be reduced dramatically from everything I've been reading and seeing. In the US, immigration should be reduced and in both places it should dependent upon a real need for labor. Can a country really not find any laborers who were born here or are the companies being stingy and wanting to save money?

Are you a non-radicalized doctor or boxer? Come on in! A lazy POS who wants to go on welfare Get the F out!

I would agree if that were a big problem in the US, but it is also greatly exaggerted by the Fox News/Social Media keyboard warriors. When I lived in Georgia welfare was $225 a month for a family of four. Food stamps was about the same. Who in Atlanta was living on $450 a month, including immigrants? Likely few to nobody. A vast majority work. The welfare queens using their food-stamp money to buy Vodka is right out of the Reagan era of BS. I have no idea if that is true in Europe. My father-in-law in Spain gripes all the time about immigrants getting free health care and too much in the way of benefits in Spain, so maybe it is an issue here for poor immigrants. I am an immigrant on public health care, but I also pay income taxes/VAT taxes to help fund it

I'm sure it's exaggerated, but I'm also sure it exists. I haven't recently researched the Reagan/Fox claim, but my statement was a blanket statement about having the right attitude. Of course, good people use welfare in tough times.

Ironically most of the people I currently know who sit around doing f*ck all but collecting Government checks are Trump supporters.

Trump supporters who will bitch about immigrants taking jobs away from U.S. citizens even though these U.S. citizens haven't worked nor tried to work in quite some time.

People have trouble looking in the mirror and seeing themselves sometimes.

[IKSRTFO]

I agree with people I usually seem to disagree with that giacomino made an excellent post. Perhaps he can bring us together to find some common ground.

Some of the people writing that they don't hate any group only point out the atrocities on one side. Selective outrage.

Islam in and of itself isn't a problem. Radical Islam is. Unfortunately, huge pluralities and often majorities of people living in Muslim countries have radical views. Most American Muslims do not. I reckon in Europe it is somewhere in the middle of the US and ME.

Immigration should be reduced dramatically.

While I disagree with you that immigration in the US should be "dramatically" reduced (illegal immigration - like boats coming into England or the Ceuta invasion, yes; well-vetted immigration to investigate someone's background and whether they would benefit US society, no), I agree on radicalized Islam. I am always saddened to read after the fact that so-and-so suicide bomber/murderer in a Western country was "radicalized" at a local Mosque. While I believe in Freedom of Religion, and Freedom from Religion, radicalizing people is the equivalent of yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater (I know I am mixing First Amendment freedoms, but the metaphor almost fits). When I read some Mosque "radicalized" someone, I want to immediately investigate, and if true, arrest and deport the leaders of that Mosque to an El Salvadorian prison and turn the Mosque into a World War II Museum.

The problem is those Imams don't think they are radical, they truly believe that they are simply being good Muslims because they are following what the Koran tells them to do and request the same of the people who go to the Mosque.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that anyone espousing extremist views and calling for violence against anyone should be arrested and imprisoned and after their sentence is done deported back to where they came from and the Mosque that hosted them should be taken over as if it were the proceeds of crime by the State and sold.

And those Christians that think all gays should be imprisoned or laugh when one is murdered believe they are simply being good Christians because homosexuality is like this horrible abomination according to their Bible.