Burnham has just committed electoral suicide!

[bmw hector]

Also Paul Clark, Eric Joyce etc.

I've no idea what they did but i'm assuming it was some more corruption/lying/sexual deviance?

[IRONFIST]

What's the outcome? Has he been found guilty?

Ongoing, suspended read from the link, you lazy blighter.

Some of us have to work you know

Ah, so you included him on your list in a 'guilty until proven otherwise' factor then?

Well he's under investigation still. more than a year later...

[bmw hector]

Ongoing, suspended read from the link, you lazy blighter.

Some of us have to work you know

Ah, so you included him on your list in a 'guilty until proven otherwise' factor then?

Well he's under investigation still. more than a year later...

Yeah, but you decided to include him nonetheless.

So to summarise:

You don't like politicians who lie.
You don't like politicians who perform u-turns on what they've previously promised.
You don't like politicians who are sexual predators.
You believe that if there's enough evidence and dirt on a politician then that's as good as being guilty.

Glad to see you hold such high standards for which politicians you support and you're not just one of those cultists.

[Nightmare Roy]

Yup, we all know that you base your support of politicians on how honest they are

Or sex offences

Ask Liebour MPs Keith Vaz, Nick Brown or Dan Norris etc etc about that...

I dont like any NONCES, you do.

[banjo]

This is why you put your savings into gold, yes it fluctuates but if you bought an ounce of gold 40 years ago it's worth 900% more than when you bought it.

[Lenny Cravats]

Triple lock should go, millions of boomers living in houses mortgage free having 10 holidays a year whilst kids are spending half thier wages on rent on other houses owned by the boomers.

Then houses would be bought up by international corporations, and rents would go up further.

How so? Triple lock being replaced with a double lock isn't going to plunge any pensioners in to poverty.

[Coco]

Then houses would be bought up by international corporations, and rents would go up further.

How so? Triple lock being replaced with a double lock isn't going to plunge any pensioners in to poverty.

Yeah let's go after the pensioners getting 12k a year, that's just unaffordable.

It's pensioners, single mums and the disabled rinsing this country dry

[giacomino]

Then houses would be bought up by international corporations, and rents would go up further.

How so? Triple lock being replaced with a double lock isn't going to plunge any pensioners in to poverty.

Yeah let's go after the pensioners getting 12k a year, that's just unaffordable.

It's pensioners, single mums and the disabled rinsing this country dry

Greedy bastards

[Ruthless-RKO]

The younger generation barely vote.

It’s their own future they’re not voting on.

I know a lot of youngsters weigh up the parties and their policies and say “‘none of them align with their views”

Well that’s just tough. Surely there is a party that is close to what you want.

I urge younger adults to vote, cuz it’s their future.

[Boxerbeetle]

Then houses would be bought up by international corporations, and rents would go up further.

How so? Triple lock being replaced with a double lock isn't going to plunge any pensioners in to poverty.

Yeah let's go after the pensioners getting 12k a year, that's just unaffordable.

It's pensioners, single mums and the disabled rinsing this country dry

Point is, loads of pensioners are extremely well-off, their benefits should be means-tested like anyone else’s. I don’t come from a particularly well off background, but my parents and nearly all of my mate’s parents don’t even need the state pension, they’re mortgage free and saved more than enough in their working lives.

[Coco]

How so? Triple lock being replaced with a double lock isn't going to plunge any pensioners in to poverty.

Yeah let's go after the pensioners getting 12k a year, that's just unaffordable.

It's pensioners, single mums and the disabled rinsing this country dry

Point is, loads of pensioners are extremely well-off, their benefits should be means-tested like anyone else’s. I don’t come from a particularly well off background, but my parents and nearly all of my mate’s parents don’t even need the state pension, they’re mortgage free and saved more than enough in their working lives.

So you would penalise folk for buying a house and saving?
I guess pensioners are the low hanging fruit

[Boxerbeetle]

Yeah let's go after the pensioners getting 12k a year, that's just unaffordable.

It's pensioners, single mums and the disabled rinsing this country dry

Point is, loads of pensioners are extremely well-off, their benefits should be means-tested like anyone else’s. I don’t come from a particularly well off background, but my parents and nearly all of my mate’s parents don’t even need the state pension, they’re mortgage free and saved more than enough in their working lives.

So you would penalise folk for buying a house and saving?
I guess pensioners are the low hanging fruit

I wouldn’t say it’s penalising them at all, they still have a far far better life than someone relying on the state pension, and often spend a lot of time abroad in one of their holiday homes and are getting additional income from their UK rental property (also both mortgage free).

Why are we giving benefits to people who clearly don’t need them? Should we start giving job seekers allowance to people on £60k salary per year?

[Nightmare Roy]

Point is, loads of pensioners are extremely well-off, their benefits should be means-tested like anyone else’s. I don’t come from a particularly well off background, but my parents and nearly all of my mate’s parents don’t even need the state pension, they’re mortgage free and saved more than enough in their working lives.

So you would penalise folk for buying a house and saving?
I guess pensioners are the low hanging fruit

I wouldn’t say it’s penalising them at all, they still have a far far better life than someone relying on the state pension, and often spend a lot of time abroad in one of their holiday homes and are getting additional income from their UK rental property (also both mortgage free).

Why are we giving benefits to people who clearly don’t need them? Should we start giving job seekers allowance to people on £60k salary per year?

Exactly make it means tested, my inlaw was suling about it, she goes abroad every six weeks!

[IRONFIST]

Some of us have to work you know

Ah, so you included him on your list in a 'guilty until proven otherwise' factor then?

Well he's under investigation still. more than a year later...

Yeah, but you decided to include him nonetheless.

So to summarise:

You don't like politicians who lie.
You don't like politicians who perform u-turns on what they've previously promised.
You don't like politicians who are sexual predators.
You believe that if there's enough evidence and dirt on a politician then that's as good as being guilty.

Glad to see you hold such high standards for which politicians you support and you're not just one of those cultists.

Well we play the same game you are, on Trump

[IRONFIST]

Or sex offences

Ask Liebour MPs Keith Vaz, Nick Brown or Dan Norris etc etc about that...

I dont like any NONCES, you do.

Such as?

[IRONFIST]

Yeah let's go after the pensioners getting 12k a year, that's just unaffordable.

It's pensioners, single mums and the disabled rinsing this country dry

Point is, loads of pensioners are extremely well-off, their benefits should be means-tested like anyone else’s. I don’t come from a particularly well off background, but my parents and nearly all of my mate’s parents don’t even need the state pension, they’re mortgage free and saved more than enough in their working lives.

So you would penalise folk for buying a house and saving?
I guess pensioners are the low hanging fruit

As with all muggers they think they are an easy target....

[bmw hector]

Well he's under investigation still. more than a year later...

Yeah, but you decided to include him nonetheless.

So to summarise:

You don't like politicians who lie.
You don't like politicians who perform u-turns on what they've previously promised.
You don't like politicians who are sexual predators.
You believe that if there's enough evidence and dirt on a politician then that's as good as being guilty.

Glad to see you hold such high standards for which politicians you support and you're not just one of those cultists.

Well we play the same game you are, on Trump

You're contradicting yourself though as you love Trump.

[Nightmare Roy]

Ask Liebour MPs Keith Vaz, Nick Brown or Dan Norris etc etc about that...

I dont like any NONCES, you do.

Such as?

Trump

[IRONFIST]

I dont like any NONCES, you do.

Such as?

Trump

, Donald Trump, Judd Trump? Never been convicted unlike Dott...who I never liked.

[bmw hector]

Such as?

Trump

, Donald Trump, Judd Trump? Never been convicted unlike Dott...who I never liked.

Savile was never convicted either, but he was still one.

[IRONFIST]

Trump

, Donald Trump, Judd Trump? Never been convicted unlike Dott...who I never liked.

Savile was never convicted either, but he was still one.

Never liked him either.

[bmw hector]

, Donald Trump, Judd Trump? Never been convicted unlike Dott...who I never liked.

Savile was never convicted either, but he was still one.

Never liked him either.

But you Donny Twump.

[Nightmare Roy]

Such as?

Trump

, Donald Trump, Judd Trump? Never been convicted unlike Dott...who I never liked.

Donald was convicted

[Lenny Cravats]

Then houses would be bought up by international corporations, and rents would go up further.

How so? Triple lock being replaced with a double lock isn't going to plunge any pensioners in to poverty.

Yeah let's go after the pensioners getting 12k a year, that's just unaffordable.

It's pensioners, single mums and the disabled rinsing this country dry

It's not going after them if the pension increases with inflation or 2.5%, (whichever is higher) is it? The triple lock was only put in place 16 years ago, and it was always up for debate.

Particularly not 'going after them' if his national care plans come into action. That pledge alone is more than anyone has done for pensioners in as long as I can remember.

Since the triple lock, pensions increases have massively outstripped wage increases.

Don't get me wrong, mate. I'm not really a fan of workers Vs pensioners, but I do think that if the national care proposals work, it'll be an overall benefit to both pensioners and workers.
The boomer generation have benefitted from the pre-Thatcherite era and the pre-austerity era. I think Burnham's plans are the best I've heard to do something that's along radical lines to bridge the gap.

[Coco]

Point is, loads of pensioners are extremely well-off, their benefits should be means-tested like anyone else’s. I don’t come from a particularly well off background, but my parents and nearly all of my mate’s parents don’t even need the state pension, they’re mortgage free and saved more than enough in their working lives.

So you would penalise folk for buying a house and saving?
I guess pensioners are the low hanging fruit

I wouldn’t say it’s penalising them at all, they still have a far far better life than someone relying on the state pension, and often spend a lot of time abroad in one of their holiday homes and are getting additional income from their UK rental property (also both mortgage free).

Why are we giving benefits to people who clearly don’t need them? Should we start giving job seekers allowance to people on £60k salary per year?

It's not a benefit, benefits are for folk who have never worked, they have already paid into the system
Most of us have been paying into the system for 20, 30, even 40 years, yet we should want to have that taken away from us??
And then when we are too expensive, then it's assisted suicide!