Who was/is the hardest hitting British journeyman?

[TheLeprechaun]

Ojay Abrahams from Watford could bang a bit .

Saw a video of Carl Froch banging him out with a thunderous right cross

[wrighty]

Not a journey man at all but cello Renda could whack

[Taansend]

Did anyone mention Billy Bird of Chelsea yet?

73 losses but 139 knockouts. The most of any boxer ever.

[Old bones Ian]

Just looking at records on here and Branko Pavlovic was a boxer who retired with a 8 wins with 8 ko's and 3 losses all by KO. The losses were to boxers who ended with these records
Carlton Warren who had 8 wins 7 ko's and 6 losses.
Cordwell Hylton 27 wins 18 ko's and 43 losses.
Dennis Cronin 10 wins 9 ko's and 10 losses.

That's some punchers merry go round.

[Coco]

Cronin was quality, managed properly he would have become British champ easy

[Noxy]

Cronin was quality, managed properly he would have become British champ easy

Aye, he beat Ray Close.

[Old bones Ian]

Cronin was quality, managed properly he would have become British champ easy

Yes Branco Pavlovic has a YouTube channel with his fights on there, watching the Cronin fight and you wonder how Cronin didn't get far in the pros he was a machine early rounds.

[NazNaci1]

Lloyd Christie was a big banger.

Draw with Terry Marsh and KO over Mo Hussein.

[Bercli]

Cronin was quality, managed properly he would have become British champ easy

No disrespect intended to the pros of today but the standard of pros in the 70's 80's and 90's were better. You could name a dozen journeymen from that era that would be British champ material today in my opinion

[Eolaithe]

76% of Danny Williams’ wins came by way of KO.

[Taansend]

Cronin was quality, managed properly he would have become British champ easy

No disrespect intended to the pros of today but the standard of pros in the 70's 80's and 90's were better. You could name a dozen journeymen from that era that would be British champ material today in my opinion

It's not disrespectful to say that.

There were more boxers and they had 30 fights before fighting at Euro level.

Now you have world champions retiring with 25 total fights

[gp.]

I don't want to reignite yet another Paul Sykes discussion but Sykes wasn't a journeyman, if anything he was a prospect.

Sykes - for all his faults - represented England as an amateur, should have won the ABAs in '73 (they reckon he was robbed in the semi against the eventual winner, Garfield McEwan) and was then due to turn pro but got banged up again.

When he came out of nick, Sykes was in his 30s so he was rushed. But he was always seen as a prospect. I can't see how Sykes was ever a journeyman, he was always the 'home fighter' until he fought for the British title (which, in itself, isn't a very journeyman thing to be doing).

The only oddity is his last contest where he travelled to Nigeria and got KOd in a round. Lord knows what happened there. Other than that, it was all about trying to fast-track Sykes to the top. Which is the opposite of being a journeyman really.

You know as well as I do just because somebody seems to be a prospect on the basis of their amateur career does not mean that they will have a successful pro career.

He might have been seen as a prospect in the eyes of some but because of his own irrational behavior and piss poor decisions he simply didn't have a successful pro career.

To this day Sykes holds the record for somebody having the least amount of fights coming into a British title match so because he was fast tracked you could argue he was in that journeyman bracket but because of his reputation he was given an opportunity he probably didn't deserve.

And just because somebody is good or great within their own country does not mean that they are good or great around the world. So in the grand scheme of things on the world stage Paul Sykes would have been a journeyman anyways.

The one thing I will give you though is that there are a lot of disparities between the different levels of boxers and the journeyman bracket is the largest field in the sport. I think one could argue that Paul Sykes was a high level journeyman but I don't think he ever was some trial horse or gatekeeper.

John Fury fought in the British title eliminators and he was a journeyman. So it really isn't a stretch to call Paul Sykes a journeyman as well considering he had a handful of fights when facing Gardner for the British title.

Suicide Henry...it's been a long time, and it seems that after 10 years absence of my own you are no longer here, what a shame...it seems you still can't grasp the most basic of concepts when it comes to pretty much anything, let alone boxing..."modern day bare knucklers" remember that thread of yours that I single handedly shut down with my relentless trolling and spamming of your shit? You would have been a journeyman if you had the balls to carry on after your 1 round of humiliation at the hands of J'Leon Love, but you didn't have the balls now did you! You certainly were never a 'prospect' but even a child can see that you can't fight to save your life!

Seriously, what the fornicating hell is wrong with you?

[jameswilson]

Ojay Abrahams from Watford could bang a bit .

Saw a video of Carl Froch banging him out with a thunderous right cross

[Matt the Master]

You know as well as I do just because somebody seems to be a prospect on the basis of their amateur career does not mean that they will have a successful pro career.

He might have been seen as a prospect in the eyes of some but because of his own irrational behavior and piss poor decisions he simply didn't have a successful pro career.

To this day Sykes holds the record for somebody having the least amount of fights coming into a British title match so because he was fast tracked you could argue he was in that journeyman bracket but because of his reputation he was given an opportunity he probably didn't deserve.

And just because somebody is good or great within their own country does not mean that they are good or great around the world. So in the grand scheme of things on the world stage Paul Sykes would have been a journeyman anyways.

The one thing I will give you though is that there are a lot of disparities between the different levels of boxers and the journeyman bracket is the largest field in the sport. I think one could argue that Paul Sykes was a high level journeyman but I don't think he ever was some trial horse or gatekeeper.

John Fury fought in the British title eliminators and he was a journeyman. So it really isn't a stretch to call Paul Sykes a journeyman as well considering he had a handful of fights when facing Gardner for the British title.

Suicide Henry...it's been a long time, and it seems that after 10 years absence of my own you are no longer here, what a shame...it seems you still can't grasp the most basic of concepts when it comes to pretty much anything, let alone boxing..."modern day bare knucklers" remember that thread of yours that I single handedly shut down with my relentless trolling and spamming of your shit? You would have been a journeyman if you had the balls to carry on after your 1 round of humiliation at the hands of J'Leon Love, but you didn't have the balls now did you! You certainly were never a 'prospect' but even a child can see that you can't fight to save your life!

Seriously, what the fornicating hell is wrong with you?

I don't know, maybe I need to see a gp....know one?

[PRINCEKOOL]

76% of Danny Williams’ wins came by way of KO.

I would not call Danny Williams a journey man 'he has fought on too long, but at his peak or even just outside of his peak. Williams definitively was not a journey man'.

Note: A fight between Fabio Wardley and Danny Williams 'peak for peak, would be a close fight. I would actually back Williams for the win'.

I don't think there are any current domestic British level fighters who right now could beat a peak version of Danny Williams etc.

[JamesPhilips]

Chris Saunders is an interesting one. Had a journeyman’s record and percentage wise his KO ratio is not good. But he sparked out a number of prospects and when in the mood was very dangerous.

He Kod a bunch of prospects including Kevin Lueshing, Mark Tibbs, Roberto Welin, Jose Varela, Dean Hollington.

Also beat Del Bryan on points

Won a British title

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/4849

[Switch hitter]

Chris Saunders is an interesting one. Had a journeyman’s record and percentage wise his KO ratio is not good. But he sparked out a number of prospects and when in the mood was very dangerous.

He Kod a bunch of prospects including Kevin Lueshing, Mark Tibbs, Roberto Welin, Jose Varela, Dean Hollington.

Also beat Del Bryan on points

Won a British title

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/4849

His 2nd fight with Kevin Lueshing was some fight

[JamesPhilips]

Chris Saunders is an interesting one. Had a journeyman’s record and percentage wise his KO ratio is not good. But he sparked out a number of prospects and when in the mood was very dangerous.

He Kod a bunch of prospects including Kevin Lueshing, Mark Tibbs, Roberto Welin, Jose Varela, Dean Hollington.

Also beat Del Bryan on points

Won a British title

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/4849

His 2nd fight with Kevin Lueshing was some fight

Saunders was always game. So was Lueshing to be fair.

[JamesPhilips]

Alvin Slick Miller scored a couple of KOs against prospects Matt Legg and Danny Percival

[TheLeprechaun]

I don't know, maybe I need to see a gp....know one?

You're one of those weirdos that none of us would talk to in real life.

Block this idiot.