Joe Louis versus Riddick Bowe

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Joe Louis versus Riddick Bowe

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12 rounds.
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Sorry Goose, in my content I would put a classic 15 rounder not a modern 12 rounder.

Anyways, Louis would either take a decision or stopping Bowe later than 12 to 15 rounds.
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scorpio83 wrote: ↑25 Oct 2026, 07:36 Sorry Goose, in my content I would put a classic 15 rounder not a modern 12 rounder.

Anyways, Louis would either take a decision or stopping Bowe later than 12 to 15 rounds.
Impossible! Riddick Bowe was too big and too talented for a guy like Joe Louis. Louis was a great fighter, arguably the greatest heavyweight of all-time, but even in his best night, he ain't beating someone that's stronger and way taller than he, and that could hit hard. Louis's chin is the problem here.
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I must admit I have a hard time seeing Louis beating Bowe. When I imagine this fight, I see Bowe by KO.
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When people compare boxers from 30s and 90s, PEDs are big factor
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elmersalsa wrote: ↑25 Oct 2026, 12:37
scorpio83 wrote: ↑25 Oct 2026, 07:36 Sorry Goose, in my content I would put a classic 15 rounder not a modern 12 rounder.

Anyways, Louis would either take a decision or stopping Bowe later than 12 to 15 rounds.
Impossible! Riddick Bowe was too big and too talented for a guy like Joe Louis. Louis was a great fighter, arguably the greatest heavyweight of all-time, but even in his best night, he ain't beating someone that's stronger and way taller than he, and that could hit hard. Louis's chin is the problem here.
Louis' chin wasn't chinny as you think. Yes, Louis was knocked out by Max Schmeling in their first fight in 1936 after he lowered his left jab that left himself exposed for Schmeling's big right hands. Also, Rocky Marciano knocked Louis out when Louis was 37 and put the Brown Bomber. However, Louis survived the knockdowns from the Cinderella Man Jim Braddock, "Two Ton" Tony Galento, Buddy Baer and both Jersey Joe Walcott fights and managed to win those fights after Louis was knocked down. You and I know that Bowe was the better skill big man than Primo Carnera, Abe Simon and Buddy Baer. Yes, Bowe had Holyfield's number in their trilogy with Bowe winning 2-1, but Louis fought in the same size as Holyfield when he fought in the 1940s. If Holyfield could beat Bowe with speed and timing counter punches in their second fight or the "Fan Man" fight, then Louis would do the same, but he would beat Bowe with more powerful jabs and punches than Holyfield had done with great timing under the 15 rounder. If they fought in the trilogy, Louis would take 2-1.

Btw, in your own words, the Brown Bomber was the class above Bowe.
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Bowe in about 3 rds.
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Cent0089 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2026, 03:03 When people compare boxers from 30s and 90s, PEDs are big factor
60 pounds of weight and 4 or so inches of height is gonna be a big factor too.
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scorpio83 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2026, 06:01
elmersalsa wrote: ↑25 Oct 2026, 12:37
scorpio83 wrote: ↑25 Oct 2026, 07:36 Sorry Goose, in my content I would put a classic 15 rounder not a modern 12 rounder.

Anyways, Louis would either take a decision or stopping Bowe later than 12 to 15 rounds.
Impossible! Riddick Bowe was too big and too talented for a guy like Joe Louis. Louis was a great fighter, arguably the greatest heavyweight of all-time, but even in his best night, he ain't beating someone that's stronger and way taller than he, and that could hit hard. Louis's chin is the problem here.
Louis' chin wasn't chinny as you think. Yes, Louis was knocked out by Max Schmeling in their first fight in 1936 after he lowered his left jab that left himself exposed for Schmeling's big right hands. Also, Rocky Marciano knocked Louis out when Louis was 37 and put the Brown Bomber. However, Louis survived the knockdowns from the Cinderella Man Jim Braddock, "Two Ton" Tony Galento, Buddy Baer and both Jersey Joe Walcott fights and managed to win those fights after Louis was knocked down. You and I know that Bowe was the better skill big man than Primo Carnera, Abe Simon and Buddy Baer. Yes, Bowe had Holyfield's number in their trilogy with Bowe winning 2-1, but Louis fought in the same size as Holyfield when he fought in the 1940s. If Holyfield could beat Bowe with speed and timing counter punches in their second fight or the "Fan Man" fight, then Louis would do the same, but he would beat Bowe with more powerful jabs and punches than Holyfield had done with great timing under the 15 rounder. If they fought in the trilogy, Louis would take 2-1.

Btw, in your own words, the Brown Bomber was the class above Bowe.
Evander Holyfield also beats Joe Louis.

Holyfield and Riddick Bowe in skillset is concerned, were in another class above the great Brown Bomber.

Bowe would be too big, too strong, too tall for Louis.
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Joe Louis definitely hit harder, and had better short combination punching than Holyfield. I think Holyfield had a better jab, and more physical strength to kinda bull you around the ring. Probably better footwork as well, but I think Louis would definitely have been the better inside fighter between the 2 of them.
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No way is Bowe 60 pounds heavier. More like 235 to 200.
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Oh right, the A+all time great heavyweight Joe Louis being beat by the B+all time great heavyweight Riddick Bowe who was big, but lack of longevity and dedication from being A all-time great heavyweight which I don't take your opinion seriously from certain fans. Doesn't work for me.
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Louis either points or by late stoppage. Joe is an inch shorter Holyfield and Bowe had plenty of problems with him. Louis punches harder anyone Bowe ever fought.

There's a crazy obsession by some poster about size difference. Was Usyk too small for Fury?
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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Oct 2026, 08:25 Louis either points or by late stoppage. Joe is an inch shorter Holyfield and Bowe had plenty of problems with him. Louis punches harder anyone Bowe ever fought.

There's a crazy obsession by some poster about size difference. Was Usyk too small for Fury?
Louis wasn't necessarily known for using his legs to outbox you though. He was known for being in your face and beating the sh*t out of you.
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gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Oct 2026, 12:58
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Oct 2026, 08:25 Louis either points or by late stoppage. Joe is an inch shorter Holyfield and Bowe had plenty of problems with him. Louis punches harder anyone Bowe ever fought.

There's a crazy obsession by some poster about size difference. Was Usyk too small for Fury?
Louis wasn't necessarily known for using his legs to outbox you though. He was known for being in your face and beating the sh*t out of you.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
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No matter what you guys think, Riddick Bowe was not Two Ton Tony Galento.

Bowe cleans Joe Louis every day of the week. Twice on Sunday.
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elmersalsa wrote: ↑27 Oct 2026, 17:15 No matter what you guys think, Riddick Bowe was not Two Ton Tony Galento.

Bowe cleans Joe Louis every day of the week. Twice on Sunday.
Bowe did struggle with Tony Tubbs a little so he could also be troubled by a kinda fat guy who never seem all that impressive at the top level.
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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Oct 2026, 13:25
gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Oct 2026, 12:58
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑27 Oct 2026, 08:25 Louis either points or by late stoppage. Joe is an inch shorter Holyfield and Bowe had plenty of problems with him. Louis punches harder anyone Bowe ever fought.

There's a crazy obsession by some poster about size difference. Was Usyk too small for Fury?
Louis wasn't necessarily known for using his legs to outbox you though. He was known for being in your face and beating the sh*t out of you.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
That's a point on why sometimes size don't matter which I forgot to mentioned earlier.
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Bowe would definitely want to use his height against Louis and not engage in a firefight with him on the inside. Louis would tear him up to the body inside especially if he was looking a little soft.
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