JOHN DUDDY IS NOT BRITISH!!!!

salaco · Post by **salaco** » 12 Oct 2006, 13:08

Terence wrote:My my, bold in a post, that is me sorted out then. Unless...

Edouard is a club fighter, and a fat little middleweight, Joppy had his face turned to hamburger by Hopkins and was as used up as you like, you may as well have given him the likes of Grady Brewer and Freddie Cuevas-sure they fought at MW but they are not legitimate MW contenders... Salaco
You are talking more rot than last time mate. So Joppy was used up but Campas is fresh as a daisy. This is not the Current Scene. We have lateral thought here.

Taylor has a win over a few MW's, not least the Champion, two of them in fact.

You may want to review Moore's first loss and then the Macklin fight, two dimensions are evident.

As for teaching chimps. We did not speak last week, it was longer than that. Whilst teaching Chimps QM try also going through some rudimentary calender work, they might help you get to grips with days of the week.

I see it made a greater impression on you than it did on me, my bad for getting those precious dates wrong.

Where did I say campas was as fresh as a daisy? They're both used up champs, difference being that Taylor dominated Joppy because he's a better fighter and Joppy didn't bring anything to the table that could exploit Taylor's faults...so what?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2006, 13:40

The point about Duddys ability is that there are accusations here that us Brits are attempting a forced adoption of Duddy as one of our own... but you only need to read our posts in this thread to see that us Brits dont want him and the main reason for that is that he is overhyped shite, the only people slobbering over their chins for him are you silly plastic paddys!!... please bring him over here so that our Light-middle weight champion can beat him up, as I'm pretty sure he would despite the size difference... ...world class my arse! 8)

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 12 Oct 2006, 13:55

c2ute wrote:Of course Duddy is better than a club fighter, but when asked 'What British fighter would stand a chance against Campas?'
I would reply, Alexander, Moore, Pryce, Conway, Macklin, Woolcombe, Rhodes, Williams, Elcock, Lockett, Dann, Eastman, Dodson, Magee, Froch and of course JC

I would love some of what you are smoking!!!

those highlighted wouldnt bge allowed in a ring with Duddy - never mind have a chance!!

I dont think Irish people are talking him up that much I think that its just English people like silkov and Terence that are talking him down!!!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2006, 14:12

sligobhoy67 wrote:
c2ute wrote:Of course Duddy is better than a club fighter, but when asked 'What British fighter would stand a chance against Campas?'
I would reply, Alexander, Moore, Pryce, Conway, Macklin, Woolcombe, Rhodes, Williams, Elcock, Lockett, Dann, Eastman, Dodson, Magee, Froch and of course JC
I would love some of what you are smoking!!!

those highlighted wouldnt bge allowed in a ring with Duddy - never mind have a chance!!

I dont think Irish people are talking him up that much I think that its just English people like silkov and Terence that are talking him down!!!

Christ, what are you smoking?... whats Duddy actually done in his career so far aside from getting bashed up by poor old Yory....

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 13 Oct 2006, 02:17

Duddy is being over hyped and over rated by the plastic Irish(you know,the old..'hey,I'am eighth generation Irish'..bollox)that live on the east coast of the US,but I say good luck to the man!! Milk it for all it's worth.He is earning a lot more than what he would if he was just to rely on his talent.

On a seperate note,who else here thinks that Eastman should aim straight for Duddy after the Williams fight? Duddy is gaining a rep in US boxing and Eastman would eat him.
Would propel Howard back into the upper regions of the division.

salaco · Post by **salaco** » 13 Oct 2006, 03:03

Wondering how much Howard has left, he was never the busiest but his activity level has dropped drastically...if Duddy's chin held up, I could see him beating old howard on agression and activity alone...Miranda brought crude punching and little else to the table and howard wasn't able to deal with it so its entirely possible...I haven't seen much of Williams, looking forwardto catching him to see what the fuss is about...

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 13 Oct 2006, 03:27

I think if Eastman rematched Miranda he would beat him.He was winning the fight,and had Miranda all over the place at one point before Howard got tagged and stopped(some say prematurely)
I also think Miranda would beat Duddy no problem.Apparently Duddy was in serious trouble against the past it Yory boy at one point(have'nt seen it tho)so imagine Miranda exploding a few on Duddy's chin?

Miranda is a top 10 middleweight......something Duddy should steer clear of.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 13 Oct 2006, 05:47

yiddo14 wrote:Duddy is being over hyped and over rated by the plastic Irish(you know,the old..'hey,I'am eighth generation Irish'..bollox)that live on the east coast of the US,but I say good luck to the man!! Milk it for all it's worth.He is earning a lot more than what he would if he was just to rely on his talent.

On a seperate note,who else here thinks that Eastman should aim straight for Duddy after the Williams fight? Duddy is gaining a rep in US boxing and Eastman would eat him.
Would propel Howard back into the upper regions of the division.

Duddys people will never let him anywhere near even a faded Eastman, ...Duddys style is made for Howard... he would just counter him to bits...

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 13 Oct 2006, 06:36

yiddo14 wrote:I think if Eastman rematched Miranda he would beat him.He was winning the fight,and had Miranda all over the place at one point before Howard got tagged and stopped(some say prematurely)
I also think Miranda would beat Duddy no problem.Apparently Duddy was in serious trouble against the past it Yory boy at one point(have'nt seen it tho)so imagine Miranda exploding a few on Duddy's chin?

Miranda is a top 10 middleweight......something Duddy should steer clear of.

Not saying I don't agree with your view of Duddy, but I cannot see how Eastman was beating Miranda at the time of the stoppage. Alot of close rounds, and a big one for Eastman in the 5th or 6th - but I thought Miranda was generally on top.

Yes, technically Miranda is a top 10 Middleweight for the moment, but I'm not sure he has proven himself a top 10 fighter (if you know what I mean). What I am trying to say is that Eastman was clinging on to a top 10 position based on past glory's - who knows really if Eastman could beat anyone in the top 20 now. Miranda couldn't beat an Arthur Abraham who suffered a broken jaw.

MERC · Post by **MERC** » 13 Oct 2006, 07:44

I would love some of what you are smoking!!!

... Classic

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 13 Oct 2006, 07:53

stujones wrote:
yiddo14 wrote:I think if Eastman rematched Miranda he would beat him.He was winning the fight,and had Miranda all over the place at one point before Howard got tagged and stopped(some say prematurely)
I also think Miranda would beat Duddy no problem.Apparently Duddy was in serious trouble against the past it Yory boy at one point(have'nt seen it tho)so imagine Miranda exploding a few on Duddy's chin?

Miranda is a top 10 middleweight......something Duddy should steer clear of.
Not saying I don't agree with your view of Duddy, but I cannot see how Eastman was beating Miranda at the time of the stoppage. Alot of close rounds, and a big one for Eastman in the 5th or 6th - but I thought Miranda was generally on top.

Yes, technically Miranda is a top 10 Middleweight for the moment, but I'm not sure he has proven himself a top 10 fighter (if you know what I mean). What I am trying to say is that Eastman was clinging on to a top 10 position based on past glory's - who knows really if Eastman could beat anyone in the top 20 now. Miranda couldn't beat an Arthur Abraham who suffered a broken jaw.

eastman is a good fighter but a bit too old now

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Oct 2006, 08:13

c2ute wrote:Of course Duddy is better than a club fighter, but when asked 'What British fighter would stand a chance against Campas?'
I would reply, Alexander, Moore, Pryce, Conway, Macklin, Woolcombe, Rhodes, Williams, Elcock, Lockett, Dann, Eastman, Dodson, Magee, Froch and of course JC

What about Michael Jones? If he could trouble Moore in the 3 fights they've had then he's worth a mention.

Jabby · Post by **Jabby** » 14 Oct 2006, 08:48

I'll start out with Howard Eastman. I've seen all of Duddy's bouts and the Howard/Miranda bout live. If the Howard that showed up in Ft. Lauderdale shows up to see Duddy, I'm afraid that a coma would be in order for Howard.

Duddy's popularity doesn't stem just from the people who pay to see him. It comes from those people (by en large folks with brouges - not Irish Americans), from the world press who's based in NY and from the boxing establishment all over America. Those people know of the quality of his opponents and especially the effort put out by Campas a couple of Fridays ago.

Next?!

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 14 Oct 2006, 08:55

Jabby wrote:I'll start out with Howard Eastman. I've seen all of Duddy's bouts and the Howard/Miranda bout live. If the Howard that showed up in Ft. Lauderdale shows up to see Duddy, I'm afraid that a coma would be in order for Howard.

Duddy's popularity doesn't stem just from the people who pay to see him. It comes from those people (by en large folks with brouges - not Irish Americans), from the world press who's based in NY and from the boxing establishment all over America. Those people know of the quality of his opponents and especially the effort put out by Campas a couple of Fridays ago.

Next?!

How do you think the current Eastman would fair against the washed up Yory Boy?
The quality of Duddy's opponents you say? His biggest test so far is an over the hill Yory boy mate.Hardly HOF stuff is it? By all accounts,Duddy was quite lucky to get the nod against Yory boy.
One thing is for certain,Duddy could'nt carry a prime Eastmans jockstrap!!!

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 14 Oct 2006, 09:10

I really like Duddy as a fighter, but his limitations are there for all to see. He will probably be an entertaining, Gatti-type fighter, but I'm afraid when you engage in a life or death war with a shot Yory Boy Campas you're not going to reach the top level of the sport anytime soon.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Oct 2006, 09:18

glahn wrote:I really like Duddy as a fighter, but his limitations are there for all to see. He will probably be an entertaining, Gatti-type fighter, but I'm afraid when you engage in a life or death war with a shot Yory Boy Campas you're not going to reach the top level of the sport anytime soon.

The difference between Duddy and Gatti is that Gatti was world class, despite his flaws, while Duddy is obviously not...

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 14 Oct 2006, 09:22

silkov wrote:
glahn wrote:I really like Duddy as a fighter, but his limitations are there for all to see. He will probably be an entertaining, Gatti-type fighter, but I'm afraid when you engage in a life or death war with a shot Yory Boy Campas you're not going to reach the top level of the sport anytime soon.
The difference between Duddy and Gatti is that Gatti was world class, despite his flaws, while Duddy is obviously not...

IMO Thunder was fringe world class.
When he stepped up to face the best,he got beat.
He also got beat by 'Irish'Mickey Ward.....was he British too

Either way,Gatti was/is a step up from what Duddy will ever be.

No offence Clan Duddy.Good luck to your boy.Hope he makes a few quid

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Oct 2006, 09:43

yiddo14 wrote:
silkov wrote:
glahn wrote:I really like Duddy as a fighter, but his limitations are there for all to see. He will probably be an entertaining, Gatti-type fighter, but I'm afraid when you engage in a life or death war with a shot Yory Boy Campas you're not going to reach the top level of the sport anytime soon.
The difference between Duddy and Gatti is that Gatti was world class, despite his flaws, while Duddy is obviously not...
IMO Thunder was fringe world class.
When he stepped up to face the best,he got beat.
He also got beat by 'Irish'Mickey Ward.....was he British too

Either way,Gatti was/is a step up from what Duddy will ever be.

Well he did also win world titles and beat world class fighters, although somepeople seem to forget that, he did a lot more than just beat Mickey Ward... and I doubt Duddy will accomplish half of what Gatti has done...

No offence Clan Duddy.Good luck to your boy.Hope he makes a few quid

Jabby · Post by **Jabby** » 14 Oct 2006, 11:30

That was hardly a "shot" Yory Boy. That was a Yory Boy who saw an opportunity to take his last shot at notoriety, was surely "up" for this one. We heard reports from his camp that he was sparring like a man possessed. His performance that evening confirmed that.

This is amazing. I remember when Ali, Leonard and ODLH were on their way up. I recall all the same kind of comments being made. "This guy was shot." or "Ali couldn't hold Marciano's jockstrap." ODLH had the beginnings of net forums to get vilified in. The most derogatory remarks about him were that he fought only midgets and he was gay. Ali probably got it the most. Of course those roasting him didn't know squat about what they were talking about -- just like here. Sorry, but we'll take our criticism from the boxing people. But you guys have your function. Just keep talking about John. That converts to lots of $$$.

Thank you $o much. I'll be blessing you when the PPV numbers start to come in. BTW, look at the first page of this forum. Run down the list of topics. There are 245 posts to this thread. No others even reach close to 100. We've got your attention, don't we? It's the same result on most every forum. Says something doesn't it? As Ali said (who got it from American wrestler Gorgeous George), "You can love me or hate me, just keep puttin' your butts in those seats." Keep 'em coming boys!!

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 14 Oct 2006, 12:17

Jabby wrote:That was hardly a "shot" Yory Boy. That was a Yory Boy who saw an opportunity to take his last shot at notoriety, was surely "up" for this one. We heard reports from his camp that he was sparring like a man possessed. His performance that evening confirmed that.

This is amazing. I remember when Ali, Leonard and ODLH were on their way up. I recall all the same kind of comments being made. "This guy was shot." or "Ali couldn't hold Marciano's jockstrap." ODLH had the beginnings of net forums to get vilified in. The most derogatory remarks about him were that he fought only midgets and he was gay. Ali probably got it the most. Of course those roasting him didn't know squat about what they were talking about -- just like here. Sorry, but we'll take our criticism from the boxing people. But you guys have your function. Just keep talking about John. That converts to lots of $$$.

Thank you $o much. I'll be blessing you when the PPV numbers start to come in. BTW, look at the first page of this forum. Run down the list of topics. There are 245 posts to this thread. No others even reach close to 100. We've got your attention, don't we? It's the same result on most every forum. Says something doesn't it? As Ali said (who got it from American wrestler Gorgeous George), "You can love me or hate me, just keep puttin' your butts in those seats." Keep 'em coming boys!!

Someones toys have fallen out their pram!!!!

Calm down mate,everyone is entitled to their opinion.You saw a prime Yory Boy fight Duddy,where as quite a lot of people saw the same Yory Boy that has been past it for quite sometime now.

As I said,good luck to Duddy,I hope he does make a load of cash.He seems a nice guy.

Might want to tone down the comparisons with Ali,De La Hoya and Sugar Ray Leonard.
There was NEVER any doubt that these guys could'nt fight.
The only serious debate we seem to have on Duddy is what his nationality is!!!!

Does anybody know who Duddy is lining up next?

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 14 Oct 2006, 13:06

yiddo14 wrote:
Jabby wrote:That was hardly a "shot" Yory Boy. That was a Yory Boy who saw an opportunity to take his last shot at notoriety, was surely "up" for this one. We heard reports from his camp that he was sparring like a man possessed. His performance that evening confirmed that.

This is amazing. I remember when Ali, Leonard and ODLH were on their way up. I recall all the same kind of comments being made. "This guy was shot." or "Ali couldn't hold Marciano's jockstrap." ODLH had the beginnings of net forums to get vilified in. The most derogatory remarks about him were that he fought only midgets and he was gay. Ali probably got it the most. Of course those roasting him didn't know squat about what they were talking about -- just like here. Sorry, but we'll take our criticism from the boxing people. But you guys have your function. Just keep talking about John. That converts to lots of $$$.

Thank you $o much. I'll be blessing you when the PPV numbers start to come in. BTW, look at the first page of this forum. Run down the list of topics. There are 245 posts to this thread. No others even reach close to 100. We've got your attention, don't we? It's the same result on most every forum. Says something doesn't it? As Ali said (who got it from American wrestler Gorgeous George), "You can love me or hate me, just keep puttin' your butts in those seats." Keep 'em coming boys!!

Someones toys have fallen out their pram!!!!

Calm down mate,everyone is entitled to their opinion.You saw a prime Yory Boy fight Duddy,where as quite a lot of people saw the same Yory Boy that has been past it for quite sometime now.

As I said,good luck to Duddy,I hope he does make a load of cash.He seems a nice guy.

Might want to tone down the comparisons with Ali,De La Hoya and Sugar Ray Leonard.
There was NEVER any doubt that these guys could'nt fight.
The only serious debate we seem to have on Duddy is what his nationality is!!!!

Does anybody know who Duddy is lining up next?

If anyone kows who Duddy is fighting next Jabby will as he is his handler!

I dont think he was comparing Duddy to Ali or SRL he was stating that young fighters on the way up sometimes get slagged off like you have been slagging off Duddy!

I take it you are another one that didnt actually see the campas fight - Iagree Campas looked fucked in some of his recent fights but I think was kind of his last shot so I you did see his fight against Duddy you would have been a Campas that was in his best shape for years and very hungry - go watch the fight - its on youtube!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Oct 2006, 13:13

Jabby wrote:That was hardly a "shot" Yory Boy. That was a Yory Boy who saw an opportunity to take his last shot at notoriety, was surely "up" for this one. We heard reports from his camp that he was sparring like a man possessed. His performance that evening confirmed that.

This is amazing. I remember when Ali, Leonard and ODLH were on their way up. I recall all the same kind of comments being made. "This guy was shot." or "Ali couldn't hold Marciano's jockstrap." ODLH had the beginnings of net forums to get vilified in. The most derogatory remarks about him were that he fought only midgets and he was gay. Ali probably got it the most. Of course those roasting him didn't know squat about what they were talking about -- just like here. Sorry, but we'll take our criticism from the boxing people. But you guys have your function. Just keep talking about John. That converts to lots of $$$.

Thank you $o much. I'll be blessing you when the PPV numbers start to come in. BTW, look at the first page of this forum. Run down the list of topics. There are 245 posts to this thread. No others even reach close to 100. We've got your attention, don't we? It's the same result on most every forum. Says something doesn't it? As Ali said (who got it from American wrestler Gorgeous George), "You can love me or hate me, just keep puttin' your butts in those seats." Keep 'em coming boys!!

Comparing Duddy to Ali and Leonard now??? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahhhahahaahhahhhahahahahahahhahahahahaahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahahhahhahahhahhahhhahahahahahhahahahaahahhahahahahhahhahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahhhahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahhaha!... I'm sorry but thats so funny I dont know whether to laugh or cry... Fool!.... one born every minute as they say and you are definately one of them mate!.... ahahahhaha!...

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Jabby · Post by **Jabby** » 14 Oct 2006, 13:49

yiddo14 wrote:
Someones toys have fallen out their pram!!!!

Calm down mate,everyone is entitled to their opinion.

As I said,good luck to Duddy,I hope he does make a load of cash.He seems a nice guy.

Might want to tone down the comparisons with Ali,De La Hoya and Sugar Ray Leonard.
There was NEVER any doubt that these guys could'nt fight.
The only serious debate we seem to have on Duddy is what his nationality is!!!!

Does anybody know who Duddy is lining up next?

I'm hardly upset. In fact I enjoy the give and take.

I am not comparing Duddy, in boxing abilities, with those Hall of Famers. Far from it. BUT, there are similarities in the press coverage and their stimulation of conversations. Something few boxers today can invoke. Duddy is the type of fighter that even if he loses, he'll maintain most of his fan base. He's very unusual in that he's not into the trash talking that's so prevalant today. Even his opponents get to like him.

Now...about his nationality... John is an Irishman. He carries a passport from the Irish Republic. He is in full compliance with the Good Friday Accords which was put into the Common Laws of Great Britain in October, 2001. John has OFFICIALLY declared himself a citizen of the Republic as was required and is OFFICIALLY IRISH. Except for his temporary designation by BoxRec he is, in reality, a full fledged, dyed in the wool, Irishman.

As far as what he's doing next, that will become clearer once certain talks with a number of promonent entities have taken place. Expect something in either mid-December or mid-January (January being the more likely.).
Against who, you're going to ask? Looking at Giovanni Lorenzo, Matt Vanda, Joey Gilbert, Tarvis Simms and Willy Gibbs among others. (Make no significance of the order.) We'll see.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Oct 2006, 15:47

Jabby wrote:
yiddo14 wrote:
Someones toys have fallen out their pram!!!!

Calm down mate,everyone is entitled to their opinion.

As I said,good luck to Duddy,I hope he does make a load of cash.He seems a nice guy.

Might want to tone down the comparisons with Ali,De La Hoya and Sugar Ray Leonard.
There was NEVER any doubt that these guys could'nt fight.
The only serious debate we seem to have on Duddy is what his nationality is!!!!

Does anybody know who Duddy is lining up next?
I'm hardly upset. In fact I enjoy the give and take.

I am not comparing Duddy, in boxing abilities, with those Hall of Famers. Far from it. BUT, there are similarities in the press coverage and their stimulation of conversations. Something few boxers today can invoke. Duddy is the type of fighter that even if he loses, he'll maintain most of his fan base. He's very unusual in that he's not into the trash talking that's so prevalant today. Even his opponents get to like him.

Now...about his nationality... John is an Irishman. He carries a passport from the Irish Republic. He is in full compliance with the Good Friday Accords which was put into the Common Laws of Great Britain in October, 2001. John has OFFICIALLY declared himself a citizen of the Republic as was required and is OFFICIALLY IRISH. Except for his temporary designation by BoxRec he is, in reality, a full fledged, dyed in the wool, Irishman.

As far as what he's doing next, that will become clearer once certain talks with a number of promonent entities have taken place. Expect something in either mid-December or mid-January (January being the more likely.).
Against who, you're going to ask? Looking at Giovanni Lorenzo, Matt Vanda, Joey Gilbert, Tarvis Simms and Willy Gibbs among others. (Make no significance of the order.) We'll see.

You're talking rot mate, people critcised Ali and Leonard because of their flashy styles and personalities etc... people criticise Duddy because he basically cant fight.... you're comparing two rollsroyces with a tomatoe can...

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 14 Oct 2006, 15:52

The Duddy vs Campas fight is now on youtube.