You think Bika would lose to Soliman now? That was in Bika's 2nd year as a pro & it was a controversy.
Bottom line is, Calzaghe had a very awkward man handcuffed and on the back foot. JC used his leftie stance well - good feints, some nice lateral movement - to keep Bika permanetly off balance. Sure, Calzaghe got dragged into the scuffle, but his class (whe he used it) allowed him to win a near shutout.
I like Kessler. I was raving about him since I first saw him, around mid 2005. In fact, I'm over the moon that he's won a big unification.
But let's look at it this way. Beyer didn't use his southpaw stance to have Bika unable to do anything - last May. Calzaghe did, for long periods last weekend. Kessler dismissed Beyer. But Calzaghe is plainly a level above Beyer. He also has nine years of championship experience, & a unification win. So I don't see how Kessler is the #1 super middle, and I wouldn't give the Dane more than a 50-50 chance.
That said, we all know what's going to happen. They're going to go their seperate ways because of the "American factor" that Calzaghe has obsessed over.
If it's anyone's fault, it's the likes of Larkin, Borges, & that grey haried piece of lettuce who writes books on Ali. On that docu, they were like parrots, "He has to get in an American ring". Larkin is Fwank's US adviser these days. Get a blinkin' Danish adviser, I say!
#1 super middleweight in the world.... MIKKEL KESSLER
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Max Molyneux
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Re: #1 super middleweight in the world.... MIKKEL KESSLER
I can disagree.search wrote:Who can disagree after last saturday. Calzaghe struggles with Bika (who lost to solimon) and then calls out a retired 42 year old, while the young lion kessler destroys Beyer and calls out Calzaghe.
If it doesn't happen we know why...
Beyer showed Kessler is open to body shots, even when Kessler was moving around on the feet, thats all he did when Beyer threw the bodyshots but Beyer barely missed a body shot.
Kessler doesn't show much except for straights, mostly the jab with the odd hook afterwards.
Kessler's opponents are also stuck to Kessler's pace and I wonder how he'll take a faster pace like Calzaghe can do. Kessler seems once paced at the moment.
Like Viciousmaussa and that Ben Keity poster agreed with mentioned Mundine was able to give him trouble with his fast hands and we all know Joe is known for his speed.
Re: #1 super middleweight in the world.... MIKKEL KESSLER
Speed & southpaw is bad for Kessler. Everyone has a weakness.Max Molyneux wrote:I can disagree.search wrote:Who can disagree after last saturday. Calzaghe struggles with Bika (who lost to solimon) and then calls out a retired 42 year old, while the young lion kessler destroys Beyer and calls out Calzaghe.
If it doesn't happen we know why...
Beyer showed Kessler is open to body shots, even when Kessler was moving around on the feet, thats all he did when Beyer threw the bodyshots but Beyer barely missed a body shot.
Kessler doesn't show much except for straights, mostly the jab with the odd hook afterwards.
Kessler's opponents are also stuck to Kessler's pace and I wonder how he'll take a faster pace like Calzaghe can do. Kessler seems once paced at the moment.
Like Viciousmaussa and that Ben Keity poster agreed with mentioned Mundine was able to give him trouble with his fast hands and we all know Joe is known for his speed.
I doubt very much that Kessler can outjab Calzaghe. Kessler would no doubt want to hit Calzaghe with right handers. But apparently, Kessler wasn't good stepping over to his left vs Beyer? So he's not going to hit Calzaghe with many left hooks.
Kessler is going to do very well over the years. Maybe it's best for him if he fights Andrade & then Mundine again. His reputation is going up all the time & soon he could have a title reign as good as Lorenzo Parra's (the greatest fighter in the world).
And Calzaghe CAN seal his legacy if he beats a Hopkins or Adamek.
It's just a shame that the most natural fight has so many forces getting in the way.
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Max Molyneux
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Calzaghe is open to right handers but if Kessler isn't getting past his speed and southpaw jab then he's not getting too many right handers in either.
Bika got right handers in when Joe was in closer to him.
Bit ignorant on the Flyweights so I don't know about this Parra's reign but there doesn't seem to much from him since being beating the French guy.
Bika got right handers in when Joe was in closer to him.
Bit ignorant on the Flyweights so I don't know about this Parra's reign but there doesn't seem to much from him since being beating the French guy.
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Twinkle Toes
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Re: #1 super middleweight in the world.... MIKKEL KESSLER
Just wondering if you saw the Kessler fight....one of the big notes of the fight is how well Mikkel stayed outside Beyer's right foot the entire fight. He didn't use many hooks, basically rifled away with his jab and set up strong strong combos with it. Kessler's jab I thought was on par with Taylor's, but he's much better at timing it to make it work, where Jermain's is almost a damage punch in itself. I would definitely say Mikkel is one of the most technically sound fighters, brings a lot of pop without putting himself infront of the train.viciousmaussa wrote:Speed & southpaw is bad for Kessler. Everyone has a weakness.Max Molyneux wrote:I can disagree.search wrote:Who can disagree after last saturday. Calzaghe struggles with Bika (who lost to solimon) and then calls out a retired 42 year old, while the young lion kessler destroys Beyer and calls out Calzaghe.
If it doesn't happen we know why...
Beyer showed Kessler is open to body shots, even when Kessler was moving around on the feet, thats all he did when Beyer threw the bodyshots but Beyer barely missed a body shot.
Kessler doesn't show much except for straights, mostly the jab with the odd hook afterwards.
Kessler's opponents are also stuck to Kessler's pace and I wonder how he'll take a faster pace like Calzaghe can do. Kessler seems once paced at the moment.
Like Viciousmaussa and that Ben Keity poster agreed with mentioned Mundine was able to give him trouble with his fast hands and we all know Joe is known for his speed.
I doubt very much that Kessler can outjab Calzaghe. Kessler would no doubt want to hit Calzaghe with right handers. But apparently, Kessler wasn't good stepping over to his left vs Beyer? So he's not going to hit Calzaghe with many left hooks.
Kessler is going to do very well over the years. Maybe it's best for him if he fights Andrade & then Mundine again. His reputation is going up all the time & soon he could have a title reign as good as Lorenzo Parra's (the greatest fighter in the world).
And Calzaghe CAN seal his legacy if he beats a Hopkins or Adamek.
It's just a shame that the most natural fight has so many forces getting in the way.
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pundit
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Re: #1 super middleweight in the world.... MIKKEL KESSLER
He can't. He'll be considered a compulsive ducker and runner for the rest of his life.viciousmaussa wrote:Speed & southpaw is bad for Kessler. Everyone has a weakness.Max Molyneux wrote:I can disagree.search wrote:Who can disagree after last saturday. Calzaghe struggles with Bika (who lost to solimon) and then calls out a retired 42 year old, while the young lion kessler destroys Beyer and calls out Calzaghe.
If it doesn't happen we know why...
Beyer showed Kessler is open to body shots, even when Kessler was moving around on the feet, thats all he did when Beyer threw the bodyshots but Beyer barely missed a body shot.
Kessler doesn't show much except for straights, mostly the jab with the odd hook afterwards.
Kessler's opponents are also stuck to Kessler's pace and I wonder how he'll take a faster pace like Calzaghe can do. Kessler seems once paced at the moment.
Like Viciousmaussa and that Ben Keity poster agreed with mentioned Mundine was able to give him trouble with his fast hands and we all know Joe is known for his speed.
I doubt very much that Kessler can outjab Calzaghe. Kessler would no doubt want to hit Calzaghe with right handers. But apparently, Kessler wasn't good stepping over to his left vs Beyer? So he's not going to hit Calzaghe with many left hooks.
Kessler is going to do very well over the years. Maybe it's best for him if he fights Andrade & then Mundine again. His reputation is going up all the time & soon he could have a title reign as good as Lorenzo Parra's (the greatest fighter in the world).
And Calzaghe CAN seal his legacy if he beats a Hopkins or Adamek.
Re: #1 super middleweight in the world.... MIKKEL KESSLER
Of course. It is already a severe minus tht he never fought Ottke.. just like RJJ should have met DM. Now the situation in SMW is crystal clear... it doe not get any clearer.pundit wrote:He can't. He'll be considered a compulsive ducker and runner for the rest of his life.viciousmaussa wrote:Speed & southpaw is bad for Kessler. Everyone has a weakness.Max Molyneux wrote: I can disagree.
Beyer showed Kessler is open to body shots, even when Kessler was moving around on the feet, thats all he did when Beyer threw the bodyshots but Beyer barely missed a body shot.
Kessler doesn't show much except for straights, mostly the jab with the odd hook afterwards.
Kessler's opponents are also stuck to Kessler's pace and I wonder how he'll take a faster pace like Calzaghe can do. Kessler seems once paced at the moment.
Like Viciousmaussa and that Ben Keity poster agreed with mentioned Mundine was able to give him trouble with his fast hands and we all know Joe is known for his speed.
I doubt very much that Kessler can outjab Calzaghe. Kessler would no doubt want to hit Calzaghe with right handers. But apparently, Kessler wasn't good stepping over to his left vs Beyer? So he's not going to hit Calzaghe with many left hooks.
Kessler is going to do very well over the years. Maybe it's best for him if he fights Andrade & then Mundine again. His reputation is going up all the time & soon he could have a title reign as good as Lorenzo Parra's (the greatest fighter in the world).
And Calzaghe CAN seal his legacy if he beats a Hopkins or Adamek.
On top of it all Kessler is openly calling Calzaghe out. Kessler's promoter is calling him Joke Calzaghe on the website:
http://www.teampalle.dk/composite-1294.htm
If the fight doesn't come off it will be far worse for Joe's legacy because Kessler is trying far harder than Ottke ever was.