Froch: I’m going to spark Dodson

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 12 Oct 2006, 14:24

The key reason I like froch more than calzaghe is that he expresses a genuin desire and willingness to test himself against the best and takes challenging fights. Calzaghe doesn't take the most challenging fights he could (hence Bika etc)

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 13 Oct 2006, 07:03

Nickd, The point I'm making is if Froch boxed the same list of no hopers that Calzaghe started off with , then yes, I'm seriously telling you he would have showed as much potential as Calzaghe. Carl didn't get the same luxuries as Joe and clearly doesn't want them either. He certainly out-stripped Calzaghe in terms of amateur achievment. Joe, rightly or wrongly, didn't hang around to test himself against the best in World championships, but then Joe has never been one to do that since turning pro either.

Silkov, Carl is way past Haskins level. If your saying he going to get found out sooner or later, fine, but Froch is considerably better than Haskins. Should this happen it going to be at a higher level to that of which Haskins got rumbled.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 13 Oct 2006, 07:37

THEBUTCH wrote:Nickd, The point I'm making is if Froch boxed the same list of no hopers that Calzaghe started off with , then yes, I'm seriously telling you he would have showed as much potential as Calzaghe. Carl didn't get the same luxuries as Joe and clearly doesn't want them either. He certainly out-stripped Calzaghe in terms of amateur achievment. Joe, rightly or wrongly, didn't hang around to test himself against the best in World championships, but then Joe has never been one to do that since turning pro either.

Silkov, Carl is way past Haskins level. If your saying he going to get found out sooner or later, fine, but Froch is considerably better than Haskins. Should this happen it going to be at a higher level to that of which Haskins got rumbled.

I agree Froch is better than Haskins but my point is that his style will let him down eventually in the same way... Carls past two or three fights have been far harder than they should have been due to his style... the thing that has saved him has been his good chin, but eventually if he doesnt take the hint it will be too late...

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Oct 2006, 08:03

THEBUTCH wrote:Nickd, The point I'm making is if Froch boxed the same list of no hopers that Calzaghe started off with , then yes, I'm seriously telling you he would have showed as much potential as Calzaghe. Carl didn't get the same luxuries as Joe and clearly doesn't want them either. He certainly out-stripped Calzaghe in terms of amateur achievment. Joe, rightly or wrongly, didn't hang around to test himself against the best in World championships, but then Joe has never been one to do that since turning pro either.

Silkov, Carl is way past Haskins level. If your saying he going to get found out sooner or later, fine, but Froch is considerably better than Haskins. Should this happen it going to be at a higher level to that of which Haskins got rumbled.

Didn't the Welsh ABA refuse to nominate Calzaghe for the Barcelona Olmypics though?

No wonder he turned pro then as the amatuers can be a fornicating joke.

True Froch shouts out about wanting the best names though, but Warren has tried to get Joe the names.

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 13 Oct 2006, 08:05

silkov, Yeah, that's sound enough reasoning from the form line. I think it's going to be beyond Euro level if this does happen though.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 13 Oct 2006, 10:01

THEBUTCH wrote:Nickd, The point I'm making is if Froch boxed the same list of no hopers that Calzaghe started off with , then yes, I'm seriously telling you he would have showed as much potential as Calzaghe. Carl didn't get the same luxuries as Joe and clearly doesn't want them either. He certainly out-stripped Calzaghe in terms of amateur achievment. Joe, rightly or wrongly, didn't hang around to test himself against the best in World championships, but then Joe has never been one to do that since turning pro either.

Silkov, Carl is way past Haskins level. If your saying he going to get found out sooner or later, fine, but Froch is considerably better than Haskins. Should this happen it going to be at a higher level to that of which Haskins got rumbled.

And the point I am making which you are missing is Calzaghe is far better than Froch can ever dream of being. You seriously think Froch will go on to be anywhere close to as good as Calzaghe? I really don't think so. Not even close. Froch is a great domestic operator but he will fall short at world level no doubts in my mind about that.

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 13 Oct 2006, 10:54

They are at two different stages of their careers, but Froch is getting the results as the opposition improves, but Calzaghe is the man to beat as far Froch is concerned.

In terms of pre world titles, so far Froch wins hands down. No contest whatsoever.

The test will be when he boxes for the EBU and genuine world titles. You may be proven right then, but the point hasn't been missed.

First 19, Froch is superior because the quality of opposition is a better measure than "what if" Joe had boxed better fighters than he did before taking on a weight drained Eubank.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 13 Oct 2006, 11:35

Do you think Froch will turn out to be anywhere near as good as Calzaghe? The answer to that is a resounding no.

Would Calzaghe at any stage of his career have looked like shit against Dale Westerman? No.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Oct 2006, 20:16

THEBUTCH wrote:They are at two different stages of their careers, but Froch is getting the results as the opposition improves, but Calzaghe is the man to beat as far Froch is concerned.

In terms of pre world titles, so far Froch wins hands down. No contest whatsoever.

The test will be when he boxes for the EBU and genuine world titles. You may be proven right then, but the point hasn't been missed.

First 19, Froch is superior because the quality of opposition is a better measure than "what if" Joe had boxed better fighters than he did before taking on a weight drained Eubank.

How are you so sure Froch will get his EBU shot or World titles?

Froch would probably get beat by a weight drained Eubank.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 13 Oct 2006, 20:21

Max Molyneux wrote:
THEBUTCH wrote:They are at two different stages of their careers, but Froch is getting the results as the opposition improves, but Calzaghe is the man to beat as far Froch is concerned.

In terms of pre world titles, so far Froch wins hands down. No contest whatsoever.

The test will be when he boxes for the EBU and genuine world titles. You may be proven right then, but the point hasn't been missed.

First 19, Froch is superior because the quality of opposition is a better measure than "what if" Joe had boxed better fighters than he did before taking on a weight drained Eubank.
How are you so sure Froch will get his EBU shot or World titles?

Froch would probably get beat by a weight drained Eubank.

I think froch's power gives him a good chance against most at SM as well as being awkwed (you may not like the low left lead but its very difficult for opponents to defend against cos they don't know where to look for shots. For that reason I think he will go as far as europe, we shall see after the dodson match I guess.

ali999 · Post by **ali999** » 15 Oct 2006, 15:32

froch has to much to say he is a arogant tossa and i can wait till dodson put him a away

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 15 Oct 2006, 19:07

josh fg wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
THEBUTCH wrote:They are at two different stages of their careers, but Froch is getting the results as the opposition improves, but Calzaghe is the man to beat as far Froch is concerned.

In terms of pre world titles, so far Froch wins hands down. No contest whatsoever.

The test will be when he boxes for the EBU and genuine world titles. You may be proven right then, but the point hasn't been missed.

First 19, Froch is superior because the quality of opposition is a better measure than "what if" Joe had boxed better fighters than he did before taking on a weight drained Eubank.
How are you so sure Froch will get his EBU shot or World titles?

Froch would probably get beat by a weight drained Eubank.
I think froch's power gives him a good chance against most at SM as well as being awkwed (you may not like the low left lead but its very difficult for opponents to defend against cos they don't know where to look for shots. For that reason I think he will go as far as europe, we shall see after the dodson match I guess.

Yeah, he's probably only Euro level unless proven otherwise since Magee had a contriversial one with Tyspko for the EBU and Froch sparked Magee.

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 16 Oct 2006, 14:53

Yes of courseCalzaghe could conceivably look as bad against Westerman...with a damaged bicep. If the injury excuse is good enough for Joe, again it's good enough for Froch and you would have to judge it one the Calzaghe of 17 fights.

Joe stunk, absolutely STUNK against Thornbury, Starrie, Jimmez....

Henry Porras was better than some of Joe's challengers and Froch eventually grind him down in eight and probably should have been but for a liberal ref.

I 'm not sure Froch will be as good as Calzaghe, too soon to say, but my continued point is Froch is cutting through the crap in terms of waste of time opponents, Calzaghe hasn't and has to be judged accordingly.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 16 Oct 2006, 17:35

I sort of wonder what people would have froch do.
He is only on his 19th fight in which he will be making the seventh defence of his commonwealf title and attempting to win the longsdale belt outright against an opponent we all aggree is worth while, he wants to challenge for european honners next year a title for which he is (harshly in my opinion) ranked 4th, he is also ranked 4th for the WBC title and 8th by the IBF.

He has fought a number of people from weight devisions higher than him including Mark Woolnagh and Mathew Barny. As early as his 5th fight he fought Valery Odin who is a solid pro and a difficult fight for anyone.

I hope more fighters take his route to titles.

He hasn't ducked anyone and shows a genuine willingness to fight the best and people all get wound up because of the publicity shit about him thinking he is the dogs bollocks.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 17 Oct 2006, 06:25

Seems theres no Commonwealth title on the line?

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 17 Oct 2006, 07:49

josh fg wrote:I sort of wonder what people would have froch do.
He is only on his 19th fight in which he will be making the seventh defence of his commonwealf title and attempting to win the longsdale belt outright against an opponent we all aggree is worth while, he wants to challenge for european honners next year a title for which he is (harshly in my opinion) ranked 4th, he is also ranked 4th for the WBC title and 8th by the IBF.

He has fought a number of people from weight devisions higher than him including Mark Woolnagh and Mathew Barny. As early as his 5th fight he fought Valery Odin who is a solid pro and a difficult fight for anyone.

I hope more fighters take his route to titles.

He hasn't ducked anyone and shows a genuine willingness to fight the best and people all get wound up because of the publicity shit about him thinking he is the dogs bollocks.

I have to agree with you Josh. I have been to a couple of Froch fights and one thing I have to say is that he's fun to watch. He's one of those fighters that people love to hate, and that sells tickets and makes people want to tune in.

He may have his defensive problems, but it's up to his opponents to take advantage of that. So far, none of them have been able to. He doesn't run away and he goes out there to beat his opponents up, and that's good enough for me.

I hope Dodson is able to really test Froch, and considering he's a poster in here I'll be cheering him on. Should Froch win, rather than go the European route and spend his time calling out Calzaghe, he should go back to the States and look to make his name there against the likes of Allan Green or even Peter Manfredo. Either of those names on his record would open up a lot of doors.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 17 Oct 2006, 08:41

johnswan1 wrote:
josh fg wrote:I sort of wonder what people would have froch do.
He is only on his 19th fight in which he will be making the seventh defence of his commonwealf title and attempting to win the longsdale belt outright against an opponent we all aggree is worth while, he wants to challenge for european honners next year a title for which he is (harshly in my opinion) ranked 4th, he is also ranked 4th for the WBC title and 8th by the IBF.

He has fought a number of people from weight devisions higher than him including Mark Woolnagh and Mathew Barny. As early as his 5th fight he fought Valery Odin who is a solid pro and a difficult fight for anyone.

I hope more fighters take his route to titles.

He hasn't ducked anyone and shows a genuine willingness to fight the best and people all get wound up because of the publicity shit about him thinking he is the dogs bollocks.
I have to agree with you Josh. I have been to a couple of Froch fights and one thing I have to say is that he's fun to watch. He's one of those fighters that people love to hate, and that sells tickets and makes people want to tune in.

He may have his defensive problems, but it's up to his opponents to take advantage of that. So far, none of them have been able to. He doesn't run away and he goes out there to beat his opponents up, and that's good enough for me.

I hope Dodson is able to really test Froch, and considering he's a poster in here I'll be cheering him on. Should Froch win, rather than go the European route and spend his time calling out Calzaghe, he should go back to the States and look to make his name there against the likes of Allan Green or even Peter Manfredo. Either of those names on his record would open up a lot of doors.

Could win the Manfrado fight handily in my opinion. Its difficult without the european title to his name it'll be relitively easy for fighters to ask Carl who?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 17 Oct 2006, 09:30

Manfredo is improving rapidly.... He's not doing a lot wrong since the move up. Perhaps he did have some problems making the Middleweight limit.