Is Kessler now the WBA "super champ"?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 Oct 2006, 14:22

He has the WBA title, and he has added another alphabet title. So is the Dane now the "WBA super champion"?

Does that mean Mundine will fight ?? for the "regular WBA title"?

Juan Manuel Marquez was the WBA/IBF featherweight king, & he was upgraded to super.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 17 Oct 2006, 14:28

That whole deal is such a mess...they took Taylor's superchamp status for no reason, and now he's got the WBC and WBO, and Sturm was the WBA....yet they still have Taylor as their champ on the site last time I checked.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 17 Oct 2006, 14:29

viciousmaussa wrote:He has the WBA title, and he has added another alphabet title. So is the Dane now the "WBA super champion"?

Does that mean Mundine will fight ?? for the "regular WBA title"?

Juan Manuel Marquez was the WBA/IBF featherweight king, & he was upgraded to super.

He should be super-champ, shouldn't he? Like Ottke/Hopkins/Taylor.

This should also mean that Mundine is off for now.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 Oct 2006, 14:35

Mattyp151 wrote:That whole deal is such a mess...they took Taylor's superchamp status for no reason, and now he's got the WBC and WBO, and Sturm was the WBA....yet they still have Taylor as their champ on the site last time I checked.

Easy to see why... Sauersausage has some sway in the WBA.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 Oct 2006, 14:36

pundit wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:He has the WBA title, and he has added another alphabet title. So is the Dane now the "WBA super champion"?

Does that mean Mundine will fight ?? for the "regular WBA title"?

Juan Manuel Marquez was the WBA/IBF featherweight king, & he was upgraded to super.
He should be super-champ, shouldn't he? Like Ottke/Hopkins/Taylor.

This should also mean that Mundine is off for now.

I like Hopkins. After he found out Joppy was the WBA 'regular' champ, 'super' Hopkins gives him a good beating!

dumdane · Post by **dumdane** » 17 Oct 2006, 14:44

Think he will be made superchampion soon.

After the Beyer fight, the WBC president said something about having a meeting with the WBA about it. I hadn't realized the WBC had really much to do with it. Probably something about coordinating politics and mandatories i guess.
Anyway he sounded pretty sure it would happen.

fried bread · Post by **fried bread** » 17 Oct 2006, 14:55

Shouldn't Calzaghe be WBO super champ?

He has made more than 10 defences.

Ivan Caleron was made super champ (WBO minimumweight) by WBO rules.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 17 Oct 2006, 15:00

dumdane wrote:Think he will be made superchampion soon.

After the Beyer fight, the WBC president said something about having a meeting with the WBA about it. I hadn't realized the WBC had really much to do with it. Probably something about coordinating politics and mandatories i guess.
Anyway he sounded pretty sure it would happen.

It would be great if they could coordinate mandatories.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 Oct 2006, 15:01

Stop!

Does that mean Calzaghe is twice super champ, by his next fight? & Kessler is a one-time super champ?

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 17 Oct 2006, 15:08

viciousmaussa wrote:Stop!

Does that mean Calzaghe is twice super champ, by his next fight? & Kessler is a one-time super champ?

Calzaghe has never won a WBA belt, thus could not be named SuperChampion.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 17 Oct 2006, 15:13

Mattyp151 wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:Stop!

Does that mean Calzaghe is twice super champ, by his next fight? & Kessler is a one-time super champ?
Calzaghe has never won a WBA belt, thus could not be named SuperChampion.

No, te WBO has its own super champ criteria - after you make 10 defenses.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 17 Oct 2006, 15:16

viciousmaussa wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:Stop!

Does that mean Calzaghe is twice super champ, by his next fight? & Kessler is a one-time super champ?
Calzaghe has never won a WBA belt, thus could not be named SuperChampion.
No, te WBO has its own super champ criteria - after you make 10 defenses.

The WBO is also the easiest belt to defend 10 times, and I don't think any takes their criteria seriously.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 17 Oct 2006, 15:59

Kessler now becomes Super Champ under the WBA's rules if they adhere to them anyway.

T.M.K · Post by **T.M.K** » 18 Oct 2006, 07:54

Hi gents,

doesn't Kessler have the choice to either accept the standard mandatory duties and remain the only WBA champ, or accept "Super-champ" status and have an extended period with which to defend against whomever ends up as regular champ?

Hattonw as given the choice when he beat Maussa.... I think they get the chance to choose which route they prefer, and due to the lack of activity with most champ they accept the super-champ rule so they have more time. IE: Acelino Freitas remained WBA champ when he beat Casamayor for WBA/WBO titles and didn't take Super-champ status.

cheers

"T.M.K"

ps: the WBO had their Super-champ (for 10 defences) status long before this Lennox-Lewis-induced WBA ruling which is a load of old crap...... I remember the WBC said they would agree to the Super-champ ruling with the WBA, but thankfully they haven't bothered.

pps: mind you - they have "Interim" titles in most divisions recently which is almost doing the same thing I guess.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 18 Oct 2006, 08:13

Tszyu was the WBC Emeritus Champion at one stage wasn't he? Similar thing I think.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 18 Oct 2006, 08:23

T.M.K wrote:Hi gents,

doesn't Kessler have the choice to either accept the standard mandatory duties and remain the only WBA champ, or accept "Super-champ" status and have an extended period with which to defend against whomever ends up as regular champ?

Hattonw as given the choice when he beat Maussa.... I think they get the chance to choose which route they prefer, and due to the lack of activity with most champ they accept the super-champ rule so they have more time. IE: Acelino Freitas remained WBA champ when he beat Casamayor for WBA/WBO titles and didn't take Super-champ status.

cheers

"T.M.K"

ps: the WBO had their Super-champ (for 10 defences) status long before this Lennox-Lewis-induced WBA ruling which is a load of old crap...... I remember the WBC said they would agree to the Super-champ ruling with the WBA, but thankfully they haven't bothered.

pps: mind you - they have "Interim" titles in most divisions recently which is almost doing the same thing I guess.

You mean it was induced so Don King fighters could have a heavyweight title belt, when Lennox was ruling the division?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 18 Oct 2006, 08:25

nickd wrote:Tszyu was the WBC Emeritus Champion at one stage wasn't he? Similar thing I think.

Yes, that was when he was stripped whilst inactive, allowing the WBC to make money out of Gatti vs Dorin/Leija. I think it was, anyhow.

T.M.K · Post by **T.M.K** » 18 Oct 2006, 09:53

viciousmaussa wrote:
T.M.K wrote:Hi gents,

doesn't Kessler have the choice to either accept the standard mandatory duties and remain the only WBA champ, or accept "Super-champ" status and have an extended period with which to defend against whomever ends up as regular champ?

Hattonw as given the choice when he beat Maussa.... I think they get the chance to choose which route they prefer, and due to the lack of activity with most champ they accept the super-champ rule so they have more time. IE: Acelino Freitas remained WBA champ when he beat Casamayor for WBA/WBO titles and didn't take Super-champ status.

cheers

"T.M.K"

ps: the WBO had their Super-champ (for 10 defences) status long before this Lennox-Lewis-induced WBA ruling which is a load of old crap...... I remember the WBC said they would agree to the Super-champ ruling with the WBA, but thankfully they haven't bothered.

pps: mind you - they have "Interim" titles in most divisions recently which is almost doing the same thing I guess.
You mean it was induced so Don King fighters could have a heavyweight title belt, when Lennox was ruling the division?

No mate,

Lennox wanted to have all 3 belts aftre the Evander fights - but didn't want to make his WBA mandate - so he suggested they create a super-champion who would have 18 months to accomodate each of his 3 mandatories. However the WBA agreed to it - WHILE STILL HAVING A REGULAR CHAMPION ASWELL. And the icing on the cake is that Lewis was still stripped of the WBA belt.

Ah well.....

best wishes

"T.M.K"

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 18 Oct 2006, 10:10

T.M.K wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:
T.M.K wrote:Hi gents,

doesn't Kessler have the choice to either accept the standard mandatory duties and remain the only WBA champ, or accept "Super-champ" status and have an extended period with which to defend against whomever ends up as regular champ?

Hattonw as given the choice when he beat Maussa.... I think they get the chance to choose which route they prefer, and due to the lack of activity with most champ they accept the super-champ rule so they have more time. IE: Acelino Freitas remained WBA champ when he beat Casamayor for WBA/WBO titles and didn't take Super-champ status.

cheers

"T.M.K"

ps: the WBO had their Super-champ (for 10 defences) status long before this Lennox-Lewis-induced WBA ruling which is a load of old crap...... I remember the WBC said they would agree to the Super-champ ruling with the WBA, but thankfully they haven't bothered.

pps: mind you - they have "Interim" titles in most divisions recently which is almost doing the same thing I guess.
You mean it was induced so Don King fighters could have a heavyweight title belt, when Lennox was ruling the division?
No mate,

Lennox wanted to have all 3 belts aftre the Evander fights - but didn't want to make his WBA mandate - so he suggested they create a super-champion who would have 18 months to accomodate each of his 3 mandatories. However the WBA agreed to it - WHILE STILL HAVING A REGULAR CHAMPION ASWELL. And the icing on the cake is that Lewis was still stripped of the WBA belt.

Ah well.....

best wishes

"T.M.K"

Hell. It's worst than I remember it. I do remember that King was getting his fighters ranked in the WBA in the hope of knocking off Lewis, or making him get so fed up of stilted mandatories that he would just give the title up.

There are ppl on the current scene saying "This is what hurts Lewis' legacy. He never fought Ruiz". haha

tcwilliams · Post by **tcwilliams** » 19 Oct 2006, 05:56

Mundine will fight the No2 guy at 168

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 19 Oct 2006, 06:46

No wonder the general public don't have a f-cking clue about boxing.

We all look like twats discussing this super-champ/emeritus nonsense.

Now you can have more than one world champ within one sanctiong body within one division.

Pathetic, and corrupt.

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