Ali July 1982, re-post

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 18 Oct 2006, 06:30

Ali fought Rocky on this date... they 'beamed' Rocky up and put a wig on his head and had them spar some rounds, then they decided that Rocky would have won by ko and was the greatest after all!... yipeeeeeeeee!!!... 8)

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 18 Oct 2006, 06:55

Speaking of which...

Undated
Believed to have been held during Fall 1978
an unnamed opponent Moscow, USSR EX
an unnamed opponent Moscow, USSR EX
an unnamed opponent Moscow, USSR EX
-The previous 3 bouts were held the same date;

It happened in summer 1978. The exhibition fights were against
Yevgeniy Gorstkov, Pyotr Zayev and Igor Vysotskiy (all three former USSR amateur boxing champions). They were held in CSKA sports hall.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 18 Oct 2006, 14:16

Senya13 wrote:Speaking of which...

Undated
Believed to have been held during Fall 1978
an unnamed opponent Moscow, USSR EX
an unnamed opponent Moscow, USSR EX
an unnamed opponent Moscow, USSR EX
-The previous 3 bouts were held the same date;
It happened in summer 1978. The exhibition fights were against
Yevgeniy Gorstkov, Pyotr Zayev and Igor Vysotskiy (all three former USSR amateur boxing champions). They were held in CSKA sports hall.

I've been told these exhibitions are available on tape/DVD from various traders has anyone here seen them?

revporl · Post by **revporl** » 18 Oct 2006, 19:27

I think its nonsense! I've never heard of Ali fighting after the Berbick fight.

revporl · Post by **revporl** » 18 Oct 2006, 19:37

or maybe....
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A964948260

barry · Post by **barry** » 19 Oct 2006, 00:39

You can't join for free! There's a daily, weekly, monthly and yearly fee that one must pay and the New York Times has it's entire archive online! You do know what an archive is don't you? But for the record...the New York Times is the single most researched newspaper in the world, so you most certainly are not going to find anything unheard of about boxing in it's pages!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 19 Oct 2006, 06:45

Maybe if you ask nicely they may let you join for free... on comic talent alone I'd give you my vote!...

8)

barry · Post by **barry** » 19 Oct 2006, 08:24

>>>Maybe if you ask nicely they may let you join for free... on comic talent alone I'd give you my vote!<<<

Or on his merit as a researcher...that should get him a lifetime free pass!

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 19 Oct 2006, 14:27

Senya13 wrote:It happened in summer 1978. The exhibition fights were against Yevgeniy Gorstkov, Pyotr Zayev and Igor Vysotskiy (all three former USSR amateur boxing champions). They were held in CSKA sports hall.

Thanks, Senya - do you know if there was mandatory nose protection for these exhibition bouts?

Thanks,
-Eric the tender-nosed Viking

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 20 Oct 2006, 06:14

I think theres a lot to be said for the introduction of a bottom protector!... those low blows are a bugger you know!!

:x

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 20 Oct 2006, 10:13

THe ALi fights agaisnt the 3 soviet champs were held on June 20, 1978 -- each bout was two rounds. Held at Central Army Sports Arena .

New research leads me to believe Ali cancelled the July 1982 exhibition at Tulsa. So here is how htose years look now --

1977
Jan 29 Peter Fuller Boston, MA Exh 1
Jan 29 Walter Haynes Boston, MA Exh 1
Jan 29 Jerry Houston Boston, MA Exh 2
Jan 29 Ron Drinkwater Boston, MA Exh 2
Jan 29 Matt Ross Boston, MA Exh 2
Jan 29 Frank Smith Boston, MA Exh 1
Jan 29 Russ Francis Boston, MA Exh
(Above a Benefit for Elma Lewis School of Fine Arts)

Apr 16 Jody Ballard Miami Beach, FL Exh 3
Apr 16 Michael Dokes Miami Beach, FL Exh 3

May 16 Alfredo Evangelista Capitol Center, Landover, MD W 15
(Retained Lineal World Heavyweight Title)

Jul 16 Ali boxes at Ron Taylor's Boxing Booth, England
Jul 28 Reg Long Washington Sports Arena, Newcastle, England Exh
Jul 28 Bruce Wells Washington Sports Arena, Newcastle, England Exh
Jul 28 Richard Dunn Washington Sports Arena, Newcastle, England Exh

Aug 12 Bruce Wells Park Lane, London England Exh

Sep 29 Ernie Shavers Madison Square Garden, New York, NY W 15
(Retained Lineal World Heavyweight Title; Eva Shain becomes the first woman
to judge a world championship bout.)

Nov 14 Bernardo Mercado Bogata, Colombia Exh 5
Dec 2 Scott LeDoux Auditorium Theater, Chicago, IL Exh 5

1978
15 Feb Leon Spinks Las Vegas, NV L15
(Lost Lineal World Heavyweight Title)

Mar 29 WBC names Ken Norton as its Champion

Jun 20 Pyotr Zayev Moscow Exh 2
Jun 20 Yevgeniy Gorstkov Moscow Exh 2
Jun 20 Igor Vysotsky Moscow Exh 2

Jun 24 Inaugural Muhammad Ali Amateur Boxing Show

Aug 16 Opponent Branch Brook Park Newark NJ Exh

Sep 15 Leon Spinks New Orleans, LA W 15
(Won Lineal World Heavyweight Title; won WBC Title)

Dec 25 “This is Your Life” TV show

1979
Jan 17 Appears on TV show Vega$ in "The Eleventh Event”
Feb 8 Jimmy Ellis Auckland N. Zealand Exh
Feb 8 Joe Bugner Auckland N. Zealand Exh
Feb 28 Luke Capuano Chicago IL Exh 4
Mar 12 Ali's Farewell Night Providence Civic Center, Providence RI
Mar 12 John Dino Dennis Providence Civic Center, Providence, RI Exh 2
Mar 12 Alonzo Johnson Providence Civic Center, Providence, RI Exh 2
Mar 12 Jimmy Ellis Providence Civic Center, Providence, RI Exh 2
May 25 Opponent London, Eng Exh
May 27 Alonzo Johnson Randers, Den Exh 5
May 27 Jimmy Ellis Randers, Den Exh 5
May 29 John L. Gardner Royal Albert Hall London, Eng Exh 4
May 30 Opponent Oslo Norway Exh
Jun George Butzbach Berlin, Ger Exh 3
Jun Karl Mildenberger Essen, Ger Exh 2
Jun 7 Jimmy Ellis Odeon, Birmingham, Eng Exh 5

Jun 27 Ali announces his retirement

Jun 29 Gov. Brendon Byrne Jersey City, NJ Exh 2
Jun 29 Mayor Tommy Smith Jersey City, NJ Exh 2

Jul 10 World Premiere of film "Freedom Road" starring Ali

Jul 14 Lyle Alzado Mile High Stadium, Denver, CO Exh 8
Sep 11 Tony Tubbs --- Spar

Oct 24 Diff'rent Strokes, “The Hero” (1978) playing "Himself"

1980
Jan 27 Jimmy Ellis New Delhi, India Exh 5
--- Mike Rossman Chicago, IL Exh
Oct 2 Larry Holmes Caesar’s Palace, Las Vegas, NV LK 10
(For WBC & Lineal World Heavyweight Title; not out for 11)

1981
Feb 12 Mike Maye Newark NJ Exh
Dec 11 Trevor Berbick Nassau, Bahamas L 10

1982
Jul 19 Opponent Tulsa, OK Exh-x
Dec 4 Jimmy Ellis United Arab Emirates Exh
Dec 4 Reiner Hartner United Arab Emirates Exh

Dec 11 ALI: "I look for about five years of exhibitions"
Dec 11 James Quick Tillis Miami, FL Spar

1983
Jun 12 Dave Semenko Edmonton Coliseum Canada Exh 3

1984
Sep 20 In Hospital - Tests for Parkinson's Disease

1985
Jan 20 Aaisha Ali, one of Ali's wives (Islamic law allows more than one) sues for child support

1986
Jan 3 Tim Witherspoon Atlanta, GA Exh
Jan 14 Walter Santemore Atlanta, GA Exh 4
Jan 14 Tony Tubbs Atlanta, GA Exh 4
Jul ?? Divorces Veronica
19 Nov Marries Yolanda (Lonnie) Williams

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 20 Oct 2006, 12:34

1986
Jan 3 Tim Witherspoon Atlanta, GA Exh
Jan 14 Walter Santemore Atlanta, GA Exh 4
Jan 14 Tony Tubbs Atlanta, GA Exh 4

Ali was still boxing exhibitions as late as 1986!!!!

! have to admit I didn't realise that. I assume due to Alis health and age they were very playfull and gentle 'sparring sessions'?

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 20 Oct 2006, 12:35

delisa wrote:1978
Jun 20 Pydtr Zayey Moscow Exh 2
Jun 20 Yevgeny Goastrov Moscow Exh 2

Pyotr Zayev, Yevgeniy Gorstkov.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 20 Oct 2006, 13:50

I know Ali sparred with Witherspoon and Tubbs but were these really full blown exhibitions?... I've never heard of Ali boxing any exhibitions post '84... when he really became quite ill... where did you get this info from?...

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 20 Oct 2006, 20:09

As far as I can tell Ali's last "real" exhibition -- how is that for an oxymoron -- was agaisnt pro hockey player Dave Semenko in 1983 -- 6000 fans were there and Ali was moving fairly well. It was the "main event" of a kickboxing event!

The Tubbs &Witherspoon exhibitions were public sparring sessions done to promote the Witherspoon-Tubbs fight a few days later.

Thanks for the corrections on the transliterations for the Russian boxers.

I beleive Ali held exhibitions on Dec 3, 1982 in the UAR -- he was scheduled for that Sunday as well but bad ticket sales forced a cancellation.

All info from CONTEMPORANEOUS newspaper reports.

By the way, at the same time Ali was married to Veronica he was holding out Keisha (the woman who sued him in 1985) as his wife -- in fact, some ten years earlier he introduced her on the Dinah Shore show as his wife -- curious I ahve never seen much on ALi having been married under Islamic law to more than one woman at the same time.

Finally, and not unimportanbtly, Ali's booth fight marks the last time that I know of that a champ worked the booths.

revporl · Post by **revporl** » 21 Oct 2006, 10:07

Lordi! I'm well surprised at that. Does anyone have any newspaper reports/pics of these exhibitions?

turn2stone · Post by **turn2stone** » 23 Oct 2006, 10:29

KOJOE90 wrote:
1986
Jan 3 Tim Witherspoon Atlanta, GA Exh
Jan 14 Walter Santemore Atlanta, GA Exh 4
Jan 14 Tony Tubbs Atlanta, GA Exh 4
Ali was still boxing exhibitions as late as 1986!!!! ! have to admit I didn't realise that. I assume due to Alis health and age they were very playfull and gentle 'sparring sessions'?

sort of like this past saturday night's exhibition...very gentle.

patscorpio · Post by **patscorpio** » 23 Oct 2006, 14:16

wow i always thought that the berbick fight was the last time he put on the gloves anywhere.....are there any pics or video footage of these exhibitions because months after the berbick fight he was diagnosed with parkinsons...im pretty sure these exhibitions couldn't have been that playful cuz he was still getting hit...you learn something new every day