Calzaghe vs - Kessler, Adamek, Hopkins etc Poll

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 18 Oct 2006, 16:30

http://www.tigerboxing.com

You can vote for who Calzaghe fights next on the home page.

No middleweights to choose from. All 168-175.

Please vote on here if you have the time. HBO and a lot of promoters read this site. Not sure if HBO still does links over to them.

Anyhow, let your voices be heard.

Every little bit counts.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 18 Oct 2006, 16:53

Was a new thread really necessary

I see they have Floyd edging the number 1P4P spot after Pac leading for 3 months.. Still Pac here

I vote for Kessler so he can shut up all the critics, at least temporarily. Hopkins 2nd.

Fightnews are running a similar poll. Kessler 57% Hopkins 32%

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 18 Oct 2006, 16:54

Seriously, who would rather see Hopkins over Kessler, that fight just makes no sense....

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 18 Oct 2006, 16:57

Mattyp151 wrote:Seriously, who would rather see Hopkins over Kessler, that fight just makes no sense....

After Kessler it would make sense, the best of 175 & arguably still the best of 160 Vs the best of 168 would be huge.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:02

lvlarc_uk wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote:Seriously, who would rather see Hopkins over Kessler, that fight just makes no sense....
After Kessler it would make sense, the best of 175 & arguably still the best of 160 Vs the best of 168 would be huge.

The guy is 42 fvcking years old....I don't care what kind of shape he's in.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:08

Yet you think he can put on 20 odd lbs and beat Maskaev

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:08

lvlarc_uk wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote:Seriously, who would rather see Hopkins over Kessler, that fight just makes no sense....
After Kessler it would make sense, the best of 175 & arguably still the best of 160 Vs the best of 168 would be huge.

Sorry but you Calzaghe fans need to get a few things. Hopkins will be 42 at least by the time Calzaghe will take him on. Calzaghe will get little respect for beating up an old man who spent most of his career at 160. Maybe you guys think he should get respect for it, but no he won't.

If Calzaghe is after maximizing fame, in a way that his achievements will be indisputable, he needs to
(i) unify with Kessler first, and then (whether he wins or loses)
(ii) step up to light-heavyweight and challenge the best beltholder he can get.
At present this would be Adamek, Erdei, Woods, probably in this order (even though Woods may be the bigger draw than Erdei).

But NO grandpa Hopkins. NO light-middleweight Wright. NO grandpa Glen Johnson. NO middlweight Taylor (unless Taylopr steps up and does something significant at 168 first). All these matchups can and will be belittled, rightly or wrongly.

However, Calzaghe at end-2007 with his current resumee plus wins over Kessler and Adamek == secured superstar status. Full stop. And even is he loses he will have gained respect, at least he went where it is difficult and will ahve given us two great matchups.

Especially Calzaghe fans should be pushing for these matchups, rather than going with all expected twists and turns by Sports Network.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:10

lvlarc_uk wrote:Yet you think he can put on 20 odd lbs and beat Maskaev

Because Maskaev is slower, and has a terrible jaw and chin. outside of Power and size, I see no advantages to that fight for Oleg...

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:10

Honestly Pundit, I don't really pay much attention to your posts anymore.
Way to repetitive and bordering trolling.

So Matty you think Hopkins has all the advantages against Maskaev?

How about if he lands just a few punches clean, Hopkins could be KTFO.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:10

lvlarc_uk wrote:Honestly Pundit, I don't really pay much attention to your posts anymore.
Way to repetitive and bordering trolling.

Though I'd still like Matty to answer.

Feel free, mate

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:15

step up to light-heavyweight and challenge the best beltholder he can get

Hopkins has already said he is coming back & if he did he would replacethe rest of the belt holders at 175 as "the man" in an instant"

Anyway I don't see why we are arguing, I already said Kessler should be number 1 on the agenda.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:15

lvlarc_uk wrote:Honestly Pundit, I don't really pay much attention to your posts anymore.
Way to repetitive and bordering trolling.

So Matty you think Hopkins has all the advantages against Maskaev?

How about if he lands just a few punches clean, Hopkins could be KTFO.

Thus the reason I said power and size are the only advantages Oleg has. However, if Bernard rips off a few good combos, it's not out of the question for Oleg to hit the deck. Even at 42, Bernard is still astronomically faster than Oleg and better defensively than Oleg.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:17

So to sum up, you think beating Hopkins "the man" at 175 would be meaningless as he is old, however you would still favour old Grandpa to move up to HW and become a champion.

Whatever rocks your boat mate

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:18

lvlarc_uk wrote:
step up to light-heavyweight and challenge the best beltholder he can get
Hopkins has already said he is coming back & if he did he would replacethe rest of the belt holders at 175 as "the man" in an instant"

Anyway I don't see why we are arguing, I already said Kessler should be number 1 on the agenda.

You said Hopkins would make sense after Kessler. I disagree.

Besides, I don't see Hopkins replacing Adamek at the #1 at 175. Tarver was old and slow and cashing in; Adamek is young and hungry. Hopkins can be belittled, Adamek can't.

Besides, has Hopkins indicated an interest in anything but fighting Maskaev?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 18 Oct 2006, 17:25

Mattyp151 wrote:
lvlarc_uk wrote:Honestly Pundit, I don't really pay much attention to your posts anymore.
Way to repetitive and bordering trolling.

So Matty you think Hopkins has all the advantages against Maskaev?

How about if he lands just a few punches clean, Hopkins could be KTFO.
Thus the reason I said power and size are the only advantages Oleg has. However, if Bernard rips off a few good combos, it's not out of the question for Oleg to hit the deck. Even at 42, Bernard is still astronomically faster than Oleg and better defensively than Oleg.

Hopkins-Maskaev looks like a carefully calculated move for another celebrity fight. Makaev is a relatively small and slow heavyweight, and not exactly a spring chicken either. Good punch yes, but Hopkins may hope that Maskaev can be outmaneuvered. However, Hopkins did not call out Vlad or Lyakovich, and for a good reason. In boxrec's heavyweight poll Maskaev wasn't even top 10 before the Rahman fight, now he is probably still outside the top 5.

Btw, I believe Hopkins' last move was simillary calculated. He took Tarver whose only interest was to cash in at this stage, not hungry young champs like Adamek or Erdei. The fella knows what he's doing.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 18 Oct 2006, 19:24

Mogens Palle says negotiations have begun for Calzaghe vs. Kessler in either Copenhagen or the Millennium Stadium.

bigynzing · Post by **bigynzing** » 18 Oct 2006, 19:57

Mattyp151 wrote:
lvlarc_uk wrote:Honestly Pundit, I don't really pay much attention to your posts anymore.
Way to repetitive and bordering trolling.

So Matty you think Hopkins has all the advantages against Maskaev?

How about if he lands just a few punches clean, Hopkins could be KTFO.
Thus the reason I said power and size are the only advantages Oleg has. However, if Bernard rips off a few good combos, it's not out of the question for Oleg to hit the deck. Even at 42, Bernard is still astronomically faster than Oleg and better defensively than Oleg.

Hopkins dont have the power....cant remember his last KO

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Oct 2006, 04:13

lvlarc_uk wrote:Was a new thread really necessary :wink:

I see they have Floyd edging the number 1P4P spot after Pac leading for 3 months.. Still Pac here

I vote for Kessler so he can shut up all the critics, at least temporarily. Hopkins 2nd.

Fightnews are running a similar poll. Kessler 57% Hopkins 32%

Definitely necessary

Every site is calling out for Calzaghe-Kessler

Maybe he will be shamed into taking the fight ala Patterson-Liston

Every poll, every column, it all counts. I see Kessler is favoured by 88%. Nice one.

Anyone who hasn't, take your time & vote. There's one on Fightnews as well.

That p4p stuff is part of a separate site.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 19 Oct 2006, 04:32

I guess there can never be too muchdemand for such a fight, but what I'm saying is...talks between the camps have already begun, as reported by Palle.

Also another thing, I been told that Palle are struggling financially, so not sure if they can afford to host the show overin Copenhagen. So it looks like Millenium stadium it is then, which is just around the corner here... buzzing

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Oct 2006, 04:48

lvlarc_uk wrote:I guess there can never be too muchdemand for such a fight, but what I'm saying is...talks between the camps have already begun, as reported by Palle.

Also another thing, I been told that Palle are struggling financially, so not sure if they can afford to host the show overin Copenhagen. So it looks like Millenium stadium it is then, which is just around the corner here... buzzing

Update: Kessler-Andrade purse bids are starting