who is the greatest boxer of all time

arizona80 · Post by **arizona80** » 19 Oct 2006, 21:25

who in your mind is the greatest boxer of all time from way back all the way to present

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 19 Oct 2006, 21:28

I think this belongs in the boxers of the past forum. I'd say Sugar Ray Robinson is generally regarded as the greatest boxer of all time.

arizona80 · Post by **arizona80** » 19 Oct 2006, 21:30

see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 19 Oct 2006, 21:33

arizona80 wrote:see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time

Yeah that is funny. Ultimately it's all down to opinion. If you asked me I'd say Salvador Sanchez, but that's farfetched. Most people agree that Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, and such are the greatest of all time. There's plenty of good lists in the boxers of the past forum.

Personally though, I think it's Robinson if I wasn't drunk.

arizona80 · Post by **arizona80** » 19 Oct 2006, 21:33

arizona80 wrote:see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time

maybe even hopkins of the present time may be the best ever to step in that beautiful ring

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 19 Oct 2006, 21:35

arizona80 wrote:
arizona80 wrote:see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time

maybe even hopkins of the present time may be the best ever to step in that beautiful ring

Really, I think this belongs in boxers of the past. I'd say Hagler and Monzon could both beat Hopkins, but you never know.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 19 Oct 2006, 21:36

arizona80 wrote:
arizona80 wrote:see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time

maybe even hopkins of the present time may be the best ever to step in that beautiful ring

Um, no. Willie Pepp, Muhammed Ali, and Ray Robinson are tops on my list.

arizona80 · Post by **arizona80** » 19 Oct 2006, 21:38

Mattyp151 wrote:
arizona80 wrote:
arizona80 wrote:see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time

maybe even hopkins of the present time may be the best ever to step in that beautiful ring
Um, no. Willie Pepp, Muhammed Ali, and Ray Robinson are tops on my list.

see ray did alot of exibition fights what every one now is getting on tyson about ali ok but he didnt know when to quit it kinda ruined him to me at least and pepp come on now lamotta and hopkins are my to best ever

BoxingFan84 · Post by **BoxingFan84** » 19 Oct 2006, 22:25

I like Hopkins but best ever?

No way.

In their primes, I'd take RJJ over Hopkins 8 times out of 10.

But Sugar Ray is generally regarded by majority of the public, experts, and even many of the best fighter ever (like Ali) as the greatest ever.

arizona80 · Post by **arizona80** » 19 Oct 2006, 23:11

roy jones over hopkins 8 out of 10 you must be blind my dude

Ross · Post by **Ross** » 19 Oct 2006, 23:17

Barry Michael from Australia, as every time there is a fight the commintaters refer to him as "the great" Barry Michael.

Ross

Les Darcy · Post by **Les Darcy** » 20 Oct 2006, 00:17

I can see there's a few trolls in here.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 20 Oct 2006, 01:57

Melody Jackson aka Henry D Armstrong!!!!! 8)

Honourable mention to Eder Jofre.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 20 Oct 2006, 02:22

..why are so many saying this belongs in boxers of the past...when that's where it is?

..taking the word "boxer" to mean pure boxing skill i'd say willie pep..."fighter"? ..nothing original here..i think sugar ray.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 20 Oct 2006, 06:41

Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong

and all others can go underneath...

JC · Post by JC » 20 Oct 2006, 06:59

sockdollanger wrote:Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong

and all others can go underneath...

I'd say Robinson, Armstrong and Pepp with the rest underneath

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 20 Oct 2006, 07:33

J-C wrote:
sockdollanger wrote:Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong

and all others can go underneath...
I'd say Robinson, Armstrong and Pepp with the rest underneath

I agree, Pep was so damn good it wasnt even fair. I have Armstrong and Robinson ahead only because they were able to be great in several divisions. Absolutely no knock on Pep. Is his name spelled with one or two P's?

JC · Post by JC » 20 Oct 2006, 07:46

sockdollanger wrote:
J-C wrote:
sockdollanger wrote:Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong

and all others can go underneath...
I'd say Robinson, Armstrong and Pepp with the rest underneath
I agree, Pep was so damn good it wasnt even fair. I have Armstrong and Robinson ahead only because they were able to be great in several divisions. Absolutely no knock on Pep. Is his name spelled with one or two P's?

Sorry it's one p that's a typo

hs birth name was Guglielmo Papaleo.

It's a fair point you make regarding weight classes. Ranking Pep up as part of a separate group of three also raises the question of where exactly to rank Saddler.

Pep's win record was phenominal for the days when unbeaten streaks were much harder to come by he was 63-0 when he lost to the great Sammy Angott and then didn't lose again till he met saddler when he was 135-1-1

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 20 Oct 2006, 07:54

J-C wrote:
sockdollanger wrote:
J-C wrote: I'd say Robinson, Armstrong and Pepp with the rest underneath
I agree, Pep was so damn good it wasnt even fair. I have Armstrong and Robinson ahead only because they were able to be great in several divisions. Absolutely no knock on Pep. Is his name spelled with one or two P's?
Sorry it's one p that's a typo hs birth name was Guglielmo Papaleo.

It's a fair point you make regarding weight classes. Ranking Pep up as part of a separate group of three also raises the question of where exactly to rank Saddler.

Pep's win record was phenominal for the days when unbeaten streaks were much harder to come by he was 63-0 when he lost to the great Sammy Angott and then didn't lose again till he met saddler when he was 135-1-1

Streaks of wins like that and also of Robinsons (128-1-2 before his second defeat, to Turpin) will NEVER happen again! Truly remarkable any way you look at it.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 20 Oct 2006, 09:24

Willie Pep was the best I reckon. Henry Armstrong was the greatest.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 20 Oct 2006, 09:42

Harry Greb and Roberto Duran haven't been mentioned yet, although they are surely among the candidates.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 20 Oct 2006, 09:59

pundit wrote:Harry Greb and Roberto Duran haven't been mentioned yet, although they are surely among the candidates.

Harry Greb could easily be rated as the greatest, with Roberto Duran being the best in terms of ability.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 20 Oct 2006, 10:51

Decagon wrote:When I'm asked who the greatest fighter of all time is, I answer, "Muhammad Ali." If you ask me who the greatest fighter of all time, pound-for-pound, you'll get a different answer. Although I thoroughly enjoy a pound-for-pound discussion, Ali could simply beat any man who lived. So could Joe Louis. So could (gulp) Sonny Liston. I mean, any human being you put into the ring with them... gone. Sugar Ray Robinson was incredible at 147, but even at 160, there were plenty of men who could beat him. At 175, there have been hundreds. At heavyweight, thousands.

Think of that; 1000 men who could've beaten Robinson. Who could beat Ali in his prime?

1000 men? What are you smoking?

Think of the top HWs in history. It only amounts to several hundred fighters (500-600 at most). You are telling me a 170 lb Robinson loses to HW journeyman like Chuck Wepner, Sedrick Fields, and, if you're saying 1000, we are going all the way done to the Kenny Cravens of boxing history.

A simple weight and strength advantage is not going to beat a fighter as slick, fast, and skilled as Ray Robinson . . .I don't care if he's outweighed by 90 lbs.

Martin Sosa Cameron · Post by **Martin Sosa Cameron** » 20 Oct 2006, 16:53

Boxing is very, very rich in greatest, fabulous fighters; the best of all? It isn't easy. Any names like Gene Tunney, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Stanley Ketchell, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard, Roberto Durán, Willie Pep, Eder Jofre, Pascual Pérez, Henry Armstrong (and others so much), each one of them had his supports as the best of all, and each one had solid reasons

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 20 Oct 2006, 17:00

The gut feeling is to answer Muhammed Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson here. I have to be honest, I'm biased towards Ali in this instance. Ali was everything to everyone in the ring. He was a showman and a clown, a fighter and a boxer. The guy could dance, he could brawl, and he had fun the entire time. When I watch, I want to be entertained. Different guys entertain in different ways. Gatti with his heart and guts, Tyson with his controlled madness in the ring, Robinson with his ability to make any ring a canvas for his art. However, Ali just made you smile when he was on his game, and that is enough to win me over.