who is the greatest boxer of all time

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 20 Oct 2006, 17:25

The greatest fighter pound per pound? I could say between Robinson and Armstrong. From 147 lbs and up, Robinson was the greatest. From 147 lbs going down, I picked Armstrong.

The greatest fighter that I have ever seen in my lifetime??? The Great Roberto Durtan...He was the BEST FIGHTER that I have ever seen being in his prime, and the BEST FIGHTER that I have ever seen being washed up.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 20 Oct 2006, 17:57

Martin Sosa Cameron wrote:Boxing is very, very rich in greatest, fabulous fighters; the best of all? It isn't easy. Any names like Gene Tunney, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Stanley Ketchell, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard, Roberto Durán, Willie Pep, Eder Jofre, Pascual Pérez, Henry Armstrong (and others so much), each one of them had his supports as the best of all, and each one had solid reasons

Some people will crucify you for Gene Tunney, but I agree. However, listing Tunney also requires to list the great Ezzard Charles.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 20 Oct 2006, 19:11

Decagon wrote:Why? He was 100 times as good as Ketchel.

.... or Marciano (pfp).

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 20 Oct 2006, 22:25

Decagon wrote:No, Marciano actually had some skills, and he easily beat all of the top fighters of his era.

great......skills.....but......one..... punch......at ....a.....time.

BoxingFan84 · Post by **BoxingFan84** » 21 Oct 2006, 01:59

arizona80 wrote:roy jones over hopkins 8 out of 10 you must be blind my dude

Do you even remember RJJ in his prime or are you basing this on the current version of RJJ?

There is a reason why RJJ was voted fighter of the decade.

Martin Sosa Cameron · Post by **Martin Sosa Cameron** » 21 Oct 2006, 04:39

pundit wrote:
Martin Sosa Cameron wrote:Boxing is very, very rich in greatest, fabulous fighters; the best of all? It isn't easy. Any names like Gene Tunney, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Stanley Ketchell, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard, Roberto Durán, Willie Pep, Eder Jofre, Pascual Pérez, Henry Armstrong (and others so much), each one of them had his supports as the best of all, and each one had solid reasons

Some people will crucify you for Gene Tunney, but I agree. However, listing Tunney also requires to list the great Ezzard Charles.

Hi, Pundit!

Nobody needs to remember who was and what did the greatest Gene Tunney; he beat twice two other greatest: Harry Greb (the only winner over GT) and Jack Dempsey. I put great-great names by chance. It's absolutely unjust name only a boxer as the best of all...; I prefer the best 100 in all times and weights (the eight classic categories). Ezzard Charles?, of course! And Jimmy Wilde (Wales)... And Rocky Marciano, well, Rocky is not only a great of boxing, he's a greatest of all the sports

cosand · Post by **cosand** » 21 Oct 2006, 04:53

JD Chapman !

Ooops...sorry...thought I was in Current scene !

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 21 Oct 2006, 04:56

pundit wrote:
Decagon wrote:No, Marciano actually had some skills, and he easily beat all of the top fighters of his era.
great......skills.....but......one..... punch......at ....a.....time.

and......each.....punch.....as......devistating.....as.....the.....last.....continuously.....punching.....unrelenting......destruction....of....opponents.....leads.....to....undefeated.....career.

Martin Sosa Cameron · Post by **Martin Sosa Cameron** » 21 Oct 2006, 04:56

Decagon wrote:Why? He was 100 times as good as Ketchel.

You're speaking of Gene Tunney? Yes he was greatest like Ketchel.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 21 Oct 2006, 11:50

sockdollanger wrote:
pundit wrote:
Decagon wrote:No, Marciano actually had some skills, and he easily beat all of the top fighters of his era.
great......skills.....but......one..... punch......at ....a.....time.
and......each.....punch.....as......devistating.....as.....the.....last.....continuously.....punching.....unrelenting......destruction....of....opponents.....leads.....to....undefeated.....career.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 21 Oct 2006, 12:37

pundit wrote:
Decagon wrote:No, Marciano actually had some skills, and he easily beat all of the top fighters of his era.
great......skills.....but......one..... punch......at ....a.....time.

actually marciano put together very good combinations in his prime and had much fast handspeed in his prime than the physically declining marciano you saw in 1954-1955.

do me a favor and check out the walcott fight 1952....marcianos throwing fast 4-5 punch combos at a time. defintley not one punch at a time. marciano displayed solid handspeed in this fight too

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 21 Oct 2006, 15:38

I think willie pep was the greatest fighter of all time. dec, whitaker lacked the footwork pep had.

JC · Post by JC » 22 Oct 2006, 08:06

The way Whittaker moved his upper body was one of the coolest things ever seen in the boxing ring.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 22 Oct 2006, 16:54

..in his fight with trinidad, witaker was on the floor after being knocked down....trinidad tried three times to hit him while he was on the canvas...and whitaker still..with upper body movement..which of course was all he had while sitting there....and still made him miss

i've been thinking of starting a thread on whitaker and pep, so i won't make any comments here

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 23 Oct 2006, 11:35

dempseyfire wrote:
Decagon wrote:When I'm asked who the greatest fighter of all time is, I answer, "Muhammad Ali." If you ask me who the greatest fighter of all time, pound-for-pound, you'll get a different answer. Although I thoroughly enjoy a pound-for-pound discussion, Ali could simply beat any man who lived. So could Joe Louis. So could (gulp) Sonny Liston. I mean, any human being you put into the ring with them... gone. Sugar Ray Robinson was incredible at 147, but even at 160, there were plenty of men who could beat him. At 175, there have been hundreds. At heavyweight, thousands.

Think of that; 1000 men who could've beaten Robinson. Who could beat Ali in his prime?
1000 men? What are you smoking?

Think of the top HWs in history. It only amounts to several hundred fighters (500-600 at most). You are telling me a 170 lb Robinson loses to HW journeyman like Chuck Wepner, Sedrick Fields, and, if you're saying 1000, we are going all the way done to the Kenny Cravens of boxing history.

A simple weight and strength advantage is not going to beat a fighter as slick, fast, and skilled as Ray Robinson . . .I don't care if he's outweighed by 90 lbs.

Decago is 100% correct. I've argued this time and time again. The greatest fighter at any moment in time is the heavyweight champion of the world and that includes Ray Robinson's time. Ray was possibly te best ever non heavyweight, bu the fact is tha Ali, Louis, etc etc would have whupped his ass had they fought, and just because they are heavier and bigger, that's not their fault.....

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 23 Oct 2006, 12:12

Ray Robinson
Harry Greb
Henry Armstrong
Roberto Duran

No more, nor less than my opinion.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 23 Oct 2006, 13:16

Wasn't it Joe Palooka?

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 23 Oct 2006, 15:36

I think that the average man worldwide is between 5' 8" - 5' 10" and weighs between 11 and 12 stone 154 and 168 for the benefit of American posters. So it stands to reason that Heavyweight fighters are something of a sideshow. Even in the days of bare knuckle fighting, the smaller guys were revered, and the patrons ( royalty ) had to look for ever bigger men to win their bets. Hence fights between men of dozens of pounds weight difference.

Evander · Post by **Evander** » 28 Oct 2006, 01:29

Depends on how you judge them.

One offs

Ray Leonard was deadly

Pernell Whitaker
Evander Holyfield

Modern day obviously

scottmallon · Post by **scottmallon** » 01 Nov 2006, 00:34

Everybody always forgets Jimmy Wilde for some reason...unreal. Not the best but he ranks up there. I like Robinson, Armstrong, Greb, Ali...Ketchel.

Pernell Whitaker - NOT. Pep would spank him without even throwing a punch.
Roy Jones - Please, he's very lucky to make the top 50.

Ketchel would have made Sweet Pea his bitch IMO.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 01 Nov 2006, 08:17

scottmallon wrote:Everybody always forgets Jimmy Wilde for some reason...unreal. Not the best but he ranks up there. I like Robinson, Armstrong, Greb, Ali...Ketchel.

Pernell Whitaker - NOT. Pep would spank him without even throwing a punch.
Roy Jones - Please, he's very lucky to make the top 50.

Ketchel would have made Sweet Pea his bitch IMO.

I would assume so aswell considering that Pernell was a career lightweight-Welterweight while Ketchel was fighting at 160 for most of his career.

Also Pep wouldnt simply have a cake walk on his hands. Im not sure he ever faught a man as defensively inclined as Whitaker. Id give Pep a solid decision win but not that wide.

Jimmy Wilde is a great choice as he is vastly underrated and or forgotten. He is right up there with the unbeaten streaks of Robinson and Pep...Wilde was 92-0-9 when he first was defeated and 125-1-9 when he lost for a second time. That is truly incredible.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 01 Nov 2006, 09:52

On the Pep-Whittaker debate it's a very hard one to call. But it's close which ever way you look at it.

As I've said before, Whittaker's fights were so one-sided that it was hard to warm to him. Shame he never had a 15 round fight.