Boxing in schools - what do you think?

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 23 Oct 2006, 12:52

Thought-provoking piece from yet another BBN new writer, the splendidly-named Samuel Pinnington:

http://www.britishboxing.net/news_1781- ... ystem.html

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 23 Oct 2006, 14:23

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Thought-provoking piece from yet another BBN new writer, the splendidly-named Samuel Pinnington:

http://www.britishboxing.net/news_1781- ... ystem.html

Definately agree that boxing should be back in schools.... It will bring the discipline back.

Better than teaching 10 year olds Sex Ed. Which has been put forward today.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 23 Oct 2006, 14:26

Interesting piece.

It has been a long time since boxing was part of school's extra curricular activities and in these days of political correctness I can not see it coming back despite the undoubted benefits.

My old secondary school use to have it, but by the time I went there it had been taken off completely. My old PE teacher use to run it in the old days and he always had an involvement in the schoolboy boxing championships.

I think it will be very difficult for school headmasters to countenance its reintroduction given that the overall level of extra curriclar activity has decreased in other areas.

I also think that the take up would be quite low, assuming that it would be introduced on a voluntary basis. Mothers will not want their little cherubs to be involved in such a 'brutal' activity.

It's a shame but unfortunately that's the way society and the nanny state has taken us.

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 23 Oct 2006, 16:09

With or without veils?

BunglesFingers · Post by **BunglesFingers** » 24 Oct 2006, 03:43

I would say no chance. There would be far too much risk of the schools and teachers being sued in the event of injuries etc. In the lawyer run pc state we now live in we'll probably see all contact sports banned in schools by 2020.

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 24 Oct 2006, 03:49

Ding_Ding wrote:I would say no chance. There would be far too much risk of the schools and teachers being sued in the event of injuries etc. In the lawyer run pc state we now live in we'll probably see all contact sports banned in schools by 2020.

Thank smeg for that, someone else that has noticed we have been taken over by the lowest form of life.
Solicitor.....a word in the dictionary between shit and syphillis.
Barrister...." " " " " " bankrupt and bastard.
Lawyer......" " " " " Lacking and Lazy
and yes i am biased as I have a barrister in the family. Arrogant twat he is too.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 24 Oct 2006, 04:23

Ding_Ding wrote:I would say no chance. There would be far too much risk of the schools and teachers being sued in the event of injuries etc. In the lawyer run pc state we now live in we'll probably see all contact sports banned in schools by 2020.

Oh yes, there's absolutely no chance it will come back. A thought-provoking piece though.

The government allow/encourage schools to sell off their playing fields; reduce the time of PE in the curriculum; remove the concept of 'competition' so fragile egos won't be hurt; won't invest in after-school sport; make schools pay for use of local leisure centres; won't allow teachers to effectively tackle behaviour and truancy problems; feed pupils shite through private catering contracts...and then wonder why they have a generation of ill-disciplined porkers waddling around.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 24 Oct 2006, 05:30

Slightly off topic-ish... The missus is an English teacher, first year of teaching, in a relatively deprived schooling area in North Wales. the kids in the class are fist language Welsh, some of which only speak, read and write very basic English.
Before starting this year she was told it was unlikely some of the kids would respond to her lessons at all, they really wont be interested in poetry, Shakespeare etc... that she tries to teach them. As part of the curriculum she has to teach a welsh story through the medium of English, they were pretty open ended on what she could use so she used the story of Johnny Owen. T
he kids have responded really well to this and have produced pieces of work that other teachers didnt think they were capable of. They've done news stories on fictional boxing stories, read extracts form Johnny's book and evaluated relationships from it, spoke of the disciplines boxing can provide and even had a class debate (they were split into 2 groups etc...) on the merits of boxing as a sport - should it be banned or not (that kind of thing).
The point being, for kids, the motivation of learning about a young kid form Wales, who grew up in a similar background to them, but went on to achieve so much is inspiring and interesting. Far more so than reading an extract form Rudyard Kipling which isnt on the curriculum but some fuddy duddy wants you to do it.
Granted this is a very small part of the curriculum but its helped the missus immensely in obtaining pieces of creative writing, journalistic writing and a class debate.

As a side I dont think physical boxing will be brought back into schools, but some of the stories of individuals can be so inspiring to kids that maybe they could be taught. I know Johnny's story will remain a part of the teaching in the missus School, simply because of the way the kids have responded to it.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 24 Oct 2006, 06:24

What a super story - pass on my congrats, Wales!

emma · Post by **emma** » 24 Oct 2006, 10:34

Could you imagine teaching the older kids boxing, they would end up bashing the teachers.

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 24 Oct 2006, 10:36

Kids are bad enough without being taught the finer arts of hand to hand combat...

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 24 Oct 2006, 10:55

Perhaps the teachers should learn to box then. They could take a morning roll call Hill Street Blues style, with the immortal final words "Be careful it's a jungle out there."

bradinho · Post by **bradinho** » 25 Oct 2006, 07:52

Topical - a school wher i been workin has put up a heavy bag in their gym....but as far as i know no one knows how to hit it/work on it.

Minutes after its installation a female member of staff said how graet it was to get some aggression out but then complained that she might have hurt her wrist??

I dont yet know what classes are goin to be allowed to use it but i think members of staff should be shown the basics and ffs ther arent even any gloves provided!!

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 25 Oct 2006, 11:31

Andy Mac wrote:
Ding_Ding wrote:I would say no chance. There would be far too much risk of the schools and teachers being sued in the event of injuries etc. In the lawyer run pc state we now live in we'll probably see all contact sports banned in schools by 2020.
Thank smeg for that, someone else that has noticed we have been taken over by the lowest form of life.
Solicitor.....a word in the dictionary between shit and syphillis.
Barrister...." " " " " " bankrupt and bastard.
Lawyer......" " " " " Lacking and Lazy
and yes i am biased as I have a barrister in the family. Arrogant twat he is too.

What a ridiculous post. How have we been taken over by lawyers?

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 25 Oct 2006, 12:50

Loynesy wrote:
Andy Mac wrote:
Ding_Ding wrote:I would say no chance. There would be far too much risk of the schools and teachers being sued in the event of injuries etc. In the lawyer run pc state we now live in we'll probably see all contact sports banned in schools by 2020.
Thank smeg for that, someone else that has noticed we have been taken over by the lowest form of life.
Solicitor.....a word in the dictionary between shit and syphillis.
Barrister...." " " " " " bankrupt and bastard.
Lawyer......" " " " " Lacking and Lazy
and yes i am biased as I have a barrister in the family. Arrogant twat he is too.
What a ridiculous post. How have we been taken over by lawyers?

Don't mess about, Loynesy. Take him to court!

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 25 Oct 2006, 12:51

Loynesy wrote:
Andy Mac wrote:
Ding_Ding wrote:I would say no chance. There would be far too much risk of the schools and teachers being sued in the event of injuries etc. In the lawyer run pc state we now live in we'll probably see all contact sports banned in schools by 2020.
Thank smeg for that, someone else that has noticed we have been taken over by the lowest form of life.
Solicitor.....a word in the dictionary between shit and syphillis.
Barrister...." " " " " " bankrupt and bastard.
Lawyer......" " " " " Lacking and Lazy
and yes i am biased as I have a barrister in the family. Arrogant twat he is too.
What a ridiculous post. How have we been taken over by lawyers?

If you are gonna call people ridiculous then do some research first. You could start by counting how many people in the cabinet are lawyers, apart from Blair. Then you could try ministers, and junior ministers. Then if you got any brains instead of words you might realize why so many stupid f,uckin laws are drafted and passed by this government.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 25 Oct 2006, 12:56

Sorry Loyns, but legal eagles are overpaid bastards in general.

Look at the legal fees for the new Wembley, for example.

Plus, to cover myself, I had to go through a solicitor to get a letter in defence of a potential libel action recently. With my journalism background I knew more than the general wanker work employed and ended up both offering a minor defence he knew nowt about and also redrafting his letter.

Didn't stop the shithouse charging work (a charity) £179 an hour plus VAT.

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 25 Oct 2006, 13:42

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Sorry Loyns, but legal eagles are overpaid bastards in general.

Look at the legal fees for the new Wembley, for example.

Plus, to cover myself, I had to go through a solicitor to get a letter in defence of a potential libel action recently. With my journalism background I knew more than the general wanker work employed and ended up both offering a minor defence he knew nowt about and also redrafting his letter.

Didn't stop the shithouse charging work (a charity) £179 an hour plus VAT.

Don't want to go off topic, but I like to get things off my chest now and again. They also defend scum like Rose West, Peter f,uckin Sutcliffe and that kunt Ian Huntley under the guise of everyone being entitled to representation. Bollox its a big earner is why they do it.

Sorry rant over.

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 25 Oct 2006, 14:17

Terence wrote:Everyone deserves an advocate, even mass murderers have to be tried, we wouldn't want to live in a non-Liberal state now would we? I am not defending lawyers but after all the training they go through taking on a notorious client must be quite a professional challenge. Saddam for instance, the man himself, trying him in Iraq under pseudo-laws that bar the death-penalty, the farcial elements. That must be a pain in the arse.

Lawyers make a lot of money but from what I see they study their 'nads off (they alomst study as much as me ) and they have to really prove themselves before making it.

Ambulance chasers are an example of poor advocacy.

My sister and brother in law paid for my nephew to be educated Terry, and kept paying until he was articled and earned his own money. No doubt you could name plenty of Lawyers that worked their way through uni and being articled, but my guess is the other ones outnumber them significantly. I accept that everyone has the right to advocasy, but how keen would they be if there was a bare minimum fee for begging leniency on behalf of the self confessed scum?

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 25 Oct 2006, 14:45

livingstone cole wrote:In such high profile of crimes the charged party deserve the highest of representation, a good lawyer on their side can only defend them to the letter of the law. Inconsistencies or discrepencies within the law are to blame for many instances of 'scum' living free. Besides which the new law enabling persons to be tried twice for the same crime ought to straighten out some cases whereby the defence got someone off an a technicality.

Oh and by the way, my girlfriend, sorry, as of last weekend fiance, is considering a law conversion. So don't you knock the wages OK? They'll be keeping me in Armani suits. Although she wants to get into the whole human rights side of things I'll be doing my best to persuade her that getting rich celebrities off with driving bans is far more ethical.

And the publicity will get you even more Armani suits Livingstone. My advice would be to try and talk her into financial law, representing venture capitalists and such. Maybe not ideallistically rewarding, but serious serious money to be made.

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 25 Oct 2006, 15:20

livingstone cole wrote:Well money has never been that high on our agenda really, if she gets into law I'm sure that her first choice will be in what capacity based on what she would like to do rather than earning potential.

But anyway back to the original point.
I'm going to train to be a teacher next year, and although I do believe that boxing in general does teach discipline, I also believe that there are far too many little shits out there that lack the sort of maturity needed to achieve the discipline. And as someone mentioned the job would fall onto the PE teacher whom in most cases would not know much more than the basics. It would end up the big kids just punching the smaller ones.
I hated doing PE, football was the worst, I can't run and bloody hate being cold wet and muddy, imagine if a kid has that sort of aversion to boxing and the teacher insists as it's part of the curriculum, to step through the ropes for some 'gentle sparring' with big Dave.
Good theory, wrong situation. Kids should be encouraged to visit a boxing gym and maybe take part if they so wish, boxing is a sport that not many can do and to be honest if you can't do it, then it's probably the most unenjoyable sport on earth well aside from lion taming.

Now in my capacity as secretary, treasurer and general dogs body of The preservation of Tamed Lions Institute. South East England division. I would like it duly noted that we do NOT want shitty little school kids near our beautifully maned Lions.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Oct 2006, 15:33

livingstone cole wrote:Well money has never been that high on our agenda really, if she gets into law I'm sure that her first choice will be in what capacity based on what she would like to do rather than earning potential.

But anyway back to the original point.
I'm going to train to be a teacher next year, and although I do believe that boxing in general does teach discipline, I also believe that there are far too many little shits out there that lack the sort of maturity needed to achieve the discipline. And as someone mentioned the job would fall onto the PE teacher whom in most cases would not know much more than the basics. It would end up the big kids just punching the smaller ones.
I hated doing PE, football was the worst, I can't run and bloody hate being cold wet and muddy, imagine if a kid has that sort of aversion to boxing and the teacher insists as it's part of the curriculum, to step through the ropes for some 'gentle sparring' with big Dave.
Good theory, wrong situation. Kids should be encouraged to visit a boxing gym and maybe take part if they so wish, boxing is a sport that not many can do and to be honest if you can't do it, then it's probably the most unenjoyable sport on earth well aside from lion taming.

Fair point, but why don't they bring Boxercise into the curriculum, it the best form of exercise you can get, well all form of circuit training is really good - and by christ don't the kids in general need exerise.

A couple of years back I spend 6 weeks in the PE department at a school and it was really a poor sight. 15 year olds not knowing the basics of football, just chasing the ball like my old team used to do when we were 5. This is what they were doing for the whole of the winter term, it was terrible to see.

Another class did "gym work". Which was, do 10 25 yard sprints..... after which they got changed and played on the computer. It was a shambles.... and they wonder why Kids are getting fatter (and by christ they are in general).

I think Boxercise will do kids the world of good, they don't need to be Prince Naseem but they will learn to respect the trade and it might shut up the kids who think they are "Muhammad I'm fecking hard Bruce Lee".

Alot of bullying, just going back from my childhood, is instigated because the bullied child is crap at football and other sports. I would say, alot of kids step into a boxing gym voluntarily to get decent with their mitts and stop the bullying. Imagine if they could show what their made of in a boxercise class.

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 25 Oct 2006, 15:42

Well if we are being serious STU, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't some idiot numbskull education minister decide that all forms of competetiveness were detrimental to kids mental growth, a few years ago?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Oct 2006, 15:52

Andy Mac wrote:Well if we are being serious STU, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't some idiot numbskull education minister decide that all forms of competetiveness were detrimental to kids mental growth, a few years ago?

To be honest, I'm not sure..... The Education minister was wrong IMO if this was said. Anyway, Boxercise isn't supposed to be competitive, as in circuit training, the only competition is supposed to be with yourself.

If the kids make it a competition, which I am sure they will, then thats not the "fault" of the activity.... as it is not designed to be that way.

We live in this ultra competitive society, to many people most activities (not just sporting) can be competitive. I was absolutely gutted if my flat mate got better uni marks than me, as I was gutted if a lost a fight, rugby match etc in the sporting field. It even applies to lots of people on nights out (who can drink the most) Same in later years, for example, if you work in sales - I'm sure you would be chuffed if you got the highest sales of the month/year. So really, being competitive as a youngster prepares you for lifes competition.... and you've got to learn to lose before you win.

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 25 Oct 2006, 16:11

stujones wrote:
Andy Mac wrote:Well if we are being serious STU, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't some idiot numbskull education minister decide that all forms of competetiveness were detrimental to kids mental growth, a few years ago?
To be honest, I'm not sure..... The Education minister was wrong IMO if this was said. Anyway, Boxercise isn't supposed to be competitive, as in circuit training, the only competition is supposed to be with yourself.

If the kids make it a competition, which I am sure they will, then thats not the "fault" of the activity.... as it is not designed to be that way.

We live in this ultra competitive society, to many people most activities (not just sporting) can be competitive. I was absolutely gutted if my flat mate got better uni marks than me, as I was gutted if a lost a fight, rugby match etc in the sporting field. It even applies to lots of people on nights out (who can drink the most) Same in later years, for example, if you work in sales - I'm sure you would be chuffed if you got the highest sales of the month/year. So really, being competitive as a youngster prepares you for lifes competition.... and you've got to learn to lose before you win.

I totally agree with you. Which makes it sicker that the minister in question decided on this course of action. Please dont quote me but it might have been Margaret Beckitt if she was ever in charge of education, in any event it was a woman.

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