Dennis Andries
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=331
Freddie Mills
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=17916
Any thoughts fight fans?
Freddie Mills vs Dennis Andries. What If?
Freddie Mills vs Dennis Andries. What If?
Man your battle stations!!!!! This once could have been savage. If two of the UK's finest Light-Heavyweights could have clashed in their primes who would have been left standing once the dusrt had cleared? Both were strong with bags of heart, good power, durable but both also lacked many of the finer points of the sweet science. This could come down to a war of attrition.
Dennis Andries
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=331
Freddie Mills
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=17916
Any thoughts fight fans?
Dennis Andries
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=331
Freddie Mills
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=17916
Any thoughts fight fans?
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Re: Freddie Mills vs Dennis Andries. What If?
KOJOE90 wrote:Man your battle stations!!!!! This once could have been savage. If two of the UK's finest Light-Heavyweights could have clashed in their primes who would have been left standing once the dusrt had cleared? Both were strong with bags of heart, good power, durable but both also lacked many of the finer points of the sweet science. This could come down to a war of attrition.
Dennis Andries
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=331
Freddie Mills
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=17916
Any thoughts fight fans?
Never seen Mills in action. What fights of his are available?
Didn't someone just put out a book suggesting he was Jack The Stripper?
For those who may not be aware of this allegation...
The London Nude Murders, which bore similarities to the original 'Jack the Ripper'. Six prostitutes were murdered in inner London, all the women were from the Bayswater and Notting Hill area. Most were strangled, had been punched and stripped. The murders suddenly stopped and it was generally believed that the killer had committed suicide. Amongst the suspects were a security man and a sports personality who moved abroad. Recently the murderer has been alleged to have been the famous boxer Freddie Mills.
JACK THE STRIPPER
Identity Unknown
Kills: 7
Dates 1964 - 65
VICTIMS
Hannah Tailford - 30
Irene Lockwood - 26
Helen Barthelemy - 22
Mary Fleming - 30
Margaret McGowan - 21
Bridget (Esther) O'Hara - 28
Gwynneth Rees - 22
Seventy years after "Jack the Ripper" murdered and disemboweled prostitutes in London's East end, a new generation of prostitutes learned to live with the ever-present fear of a lurking killer. This "Jack" carried no knife, but he was every bit as lethal (claiming seven victims to the Ripper's five) and possessed of far greater longevity (operating over nearly six years, compared to the Ripper's 10 weeks). At the "conclusion" of the case, both slayers shared a common attribute: despite a wealth of theories and assertions, neither "Jack" was ever captured or identified.
On June 17, 1959, prostitute Elizabeth Figg, 21, was found floating in the Thames, clad only in a slip, her death attributed to strangulation. Four and a half years passed before discovery of the next murder, with the skeleton of 22-year-old Gwyneth Rees unearthed during clearance of a Thames-side rubbish dump, on November 8, 1963. The cause of death was difficult to ascertain, and homicide investigators later tried to disconnect both murders from the "Stripper" series, but today the better evidence suggests that these were practice runs, the early crimes committed by a killer how had yet to hit his stride.
Thirty-year-old Hannah Tailford was the next to die, her naked corpse discovered in the Thames by boatman on February 2, 1964. Her stockings were pulled down around her ankles, panties stuffed inside her mouth, but she had drowned, and the inquest produced an "open" verdict, refusing to rule out suicide, however improbable it seemed.
On April 9, 1964, 20-year-old Irene Lockwood was found naked and dead in the Thames, floating 300 yards from the spot where Tailford was found. Another drowning victim, she was four months pregnant when she died. Suspect Kenneth Archibald confessed to the murder later that month, then recanted his statement, blaming depression. He was subsequently cleared at trial.
Helen Barthelmy, age 20, was the first victim found away from the river. On April 24, her naked boy was discovered near a sports field in Brentwood, four front teeth missing, with part of one logged in her throat. Traces of multicolored spray paint on the body suggested that she had been kept for a while after death in a paint shop before she was dumped in the field.
On July 14, 21-year-old Mary Fleming was discarded, nude and lifeless, on a dead-end London street. Witnesses glimpsed a van and its driver near the scene, but none could finally describe the man or vehicle with any certainty. Missing since July 11, Fleming had apparently been suffocated or choked to death - as opposed to strangled - and her dentures were missing from the scene.
Margaret McGowan, 21, had been missing a month when her nude corpse was found in Kensington on November 25, 1964. Police noted the familiar traces of paint on her skin, and one of her teeth had been forced from its socket in front. The last to die was 27-year-old Bridget O'Hara, last seen alive on January 11, 1965, her body found on February 16 hidden in some shrubbery on the Heron Trading Estate in Acton. Her front teeth were missing, and pathologists determined that she had died on her knees. The corpse was partially mummified, as if from prolonged storage in a cool, dry place.
Despite appeals to prostitutes for information on their "kinky" customers, police were groping in the dark. Inspector John Du Rose suggested that the last six victims had been literally choked to death by oral sex, removal of the teeth in four cases lending vague support to the hypothesis. A list of suspects had supposedly been narrowed down from 20 men to three when one of those committed suicide, gassing himself in his kitchen and leaving a cryptic note: "I cannot go on." It might mean anything - or nothing - but the murders ended with the nameless suspect's death, and so police seemed satisfied, although the case remains officially unsolved.
Who was the Stripper? Suspects range from a deceased prize fighter, Freddie Mills, who committed suicide in 1965, to an unnamed ex-policeman, but Du Rose favored a private security guard on the Heron Trading Estate, his rounds including the paint shop where at least some of the victims were apparently stashed after death. The only "evidence" of guilt is the cessation of similar crimes after the suspect's suicide, but numerous serial killers have "retired" once they achieved a certain body count. The best that we can say for Scotland Yard's solution is that it is plausible…but unconfirmed.
The London Nude Murders, which bore similarities to the original 'Jack the Ripper'. Six prostitutes were murdered in inner London, all the women were from the Bayswater and Notting Hill area. Most were strangled, had been punched and stripped. The murders suddenly stopped and it was generally believed that the killer had committed suicide. Amongst the suspects were a security man and a sports personality who moved abroad. Recently the murderer has been alleged to have been the famous boxer Freddie Mills.
JACK THE STRIPPER
Identity Unknown
Kills: 7
Dates 1964 - 65
VICTIMS
Hannah Tailford - 30
Irene Lockwood - 26
Helen Barthelemy - 22
Mary Fleming - 30
Margaret McGowan - 21
Bridget (Esther) O'Hara - 28
Gwynneth Rees - 22
Seventy years after "Jack the Ripper" murdered and disemboweled prostitutes in London's East end, a new generation of prostitutes learned to live with the ever-present fear of a lurking killer. This "Jack" carried no knife, but he was every bit as lethal (claiming seven victims to the Ripper's five) and possessed of far greater longevity (operating over nearly six years, compared to the Ripper's 10 weeks). At the "conclusion" of the case, both slayers shared a common attribute: despite a wealth of theories and assertions, neither "Jack" was ever captured or identified.
On June 17, 1959, prostitute Elizabeth Figg, 21, was found floating in the Thames, clad only in a slip, her death attributed to strangulation. Four and a half years passed before discovery of the next murder, with the skeleton of 22-year-old Gwyneth Rees unearthed during clearance of a Thames-side rubbish dump, on November 8, 1963. The cause of death was difficult to ascertain, and homicide investigators later tried to disconnect both murders from the "Stripper" series, but today the better evidence suggests that these were practice runs, the early crimes committed by a killer how had yet to hit his stride.
Thirty-year-old Hannah Tailford was the next to die, her naked corpse discovered in the Thames by boatman on February 2, 1964. Her stockings were pulled down around her ankles, panties stuffed inside her mouth, but she had drowned, and the inquest produced an "open" verdict, refusing to rule out suicide, however improbable it seemed.
On April 9, 1964, 20-year-old Irene Lockwood was found naked and dead in the Thames, floating 300 yards from the spot where Tailford was found. Another drowning victim, she was four months pregnant when she died. Suspect Kenneth Archibald confessed to the murder later that month, then recanted his statement, blaming depression. He was subsequently cleared at trial.
Helen Barthelmy, age 20, was the first victim found away from the river. On April 24, her naked boy was discovered near a sports field in Brentwood, four front teeth missing, with part of one logged in her throat. Traces of multicolored spray paint on the body suggested that she had been kept for a while after death in a paint shop before she was dumped in the field.
On July 14, 21-year-old Mary Fleming was discarded, nude and lifeless, on a dead-end London street. Witnesses glimpsed a van and its driver near the scene, but none could finally describe the man or vehicle with any certainty. Missing since July 11, Fleming had apparently been suffocated or choked to death - as opposed to strangled - and her dentures were missing from the scene.
Margaret McGowan, 21, had been missing a month when her nude corpse was found in Kensington on November 25, 1964. Police noted the familiar traces of paint on her skin, and one of her teeth had been forced from its socket in front. The last to die was 27-year-old Bridget O'Hara, last seen alive on January 11, 1965, her body found on February 16 hidden in some shrubbery on the Heron Trading Estate in Acton. Her front teeth were missing, and pathologists determined that she had died on her knees. The corpse was partially mummified, as if from prolonged storage in a cool, dry place.
Despite appeals to prostitutes for information on their "kinky" customers, police were groping in the dark. Inspector John Du Rose suggested that the last six victims had been literally choked to death by oral sex, removal of the teeth in four cases lending vague support to the hypothesis. A list of suspects had supposedly been narrowed down from 20 men to three when one of those committed suicide, gassing himself in his kitchen and leaving a cryptic note: "I cannot go on." It might mean anything - or nothing - but the murders ended with the nameless suspect's death, and so police seemed satisfied, although the case remains officially unsolved.
Who was the Stripper? Suspects range from a deceased prize fighter, Freddie Mills, who committed suicide in 1965, to an unnamed ex-policeman, but Du Rose favored a private security guard on the Heron Trading Estate, his rounds including the paint shop where at least some of the victims were apparently stashed after death. The only "evidence" of guilt is the cessation of similar crimes after the suspect's suicide, but numerous serial killers have "retired" once they achieved a certain body count. The best that we can say for Scotland Yard's solution is that it is plausible…but unconfirmed.
Indeed. ....It Gets an R rating at least. But they are the facts of the matter as it pertains to the aspects of the allegations. It is my belief that he is a suspect of convenience for lazy cops. There is no tangible evidence other than the timing of his demise. So why not blame the boxer? Suspect occupation right? Notice the suspect police officer is "un-named". Would they offer the boxer equal anonymity? NO.
The assumptions of blame based on occupation sort of inflamed me. That was my point and purpose of digressing. Sorry if it was disturbing to some.
The assumptions of blame based on occupation sort of inflamed me. That was my point and purpose of digressing. Sorry if it was disturbing to some.
There are rumours that Mills was a Homosexual or bisexual, I have suspicisions that this may well be true, however even if they were that doesnt mean that he was a mass murderer. A basic train of thought for those who say Mills was the 'stripper' is that he was a frustrated man sexually and this came out in these murders. Another train of thought though is that certain members of the Police force were in the pay of certain people and that when Mills 'died' it was very convenient to spread about certain stories about him and why he would have killed himself.BoxBuzz wrote:Indeed. ....It Gets an R rating at least. But they are the facts of the matter as it pertains to the aspects of the allegations. It is my belief that he is a suspect of convenience for lazy cops. There is no tangible evidence other than the timing of his demise. So why not blame the boxer? Suspect occupation right? Notice the suspect police officer is "un-named". Would they offer the boxer equal anonymity? NO.
The assumptions of blame based on occupation sort of inflamed me. That was my point and purpose of digressing. Sorry if it was disturbing to some.
I've also heard questions concerning Randolph Turpins death, his brother Jackie doesnt seem to think it was a straightforward suicide...
Mills death obviously wasen't a suicide, but among other rumors circulating, were that he killed himself after being arrested in a homosexual act, or because of the suicide of singer Michael Holliday, alleged by some to be his lover. No one has ever produced details of the alleged arrest, and Ronnie Kray, who knew both Mills and Holliday well, said that Freddie was definitely not a poof.
Another perhaps more plausible theory is that Mills was whacked by Chinese gangsters who wanted to take over his Soho nightclub.
As a sidenote, victims number 3 and 7, Hannah Tailford and Frances Brown had some connection to the Profumo Affair. In 1970 Black Sabbath released the album Paranoid, which featured the song "Fairies Wear Boots" which was subtitled "Jack The Stripper".
Another perhaps more plausible theory is that Mills was whacked by Chinese gangsters who wanted to take over his Soho nightclub.
As a sidenote, victims number 3 and 7, Hannah Tailford and Frances Brown had some connection to the Profumo Affair. In 1970 Black Sabbath released the album Paranoid, which featured the song "Fairies Wear Boots" which was subtitled "Jack The Stripper".
With respect to Freddie Mills taking his own life, if he indeed did do so I would not be too shocked to be honest. From what I have read on Mills throughout his life he suffered with terrible bouts of deep depression. If he was having one of these bouts and had a gun in his hands? Who knows?
During previous 'episodes' he would often dissappear for days on end and usually give no explanation as to where and what he had been up to. He may well have just been relaxing and getting his head together but those that suspect Mills was gay thought these times he spent his time with male lovers.
One of the other strange things about Mills life was that he often used the South African Heavyweight Don McCorkindale as a sparring partner and I think exhibitions. Often in training camp and exhibition tours etc Dons wife Chrissie(?) would join them. Eventually McCorkins wife left him and married Freddie Mills, but even after that Don still stayed on in Mills camp. Some claim the three of them were very close which of course lead to many a rumour.
As for the rumours of Freddies death? well, as when any well known person dies in mysterious circumstances there are countless theorys thrown about. Mills was depressed, he had money troubles, it was a jealous lover, it was Chinese gangsters and it was the Krays etc etc.
As for myself? Well in life wether he was straight, bi or gay it doesn't alter my opinion on him as a man or fighter. As for his death? I really don't know to be honest. One thing is for sure he was a very good fighter and lived and eventfull life....and death.
During previous 'episodes' he would often dissappear for days on end and usually give no explanation as to where and what he had been up to. He may well have just been relaxing and getting his head together but those that suspect Mills was gay thought these times he spent his time with male lovers.
One of the other strange things about Mills life was that he often used the South African Heavyweight Don McCorkindale as a sparring partner and I think exhibitions. Often in training camp and exhibition tours etc Dons wife Chrissie(?) would join them. Eventually McCorkins wife left him and married Freddie Mills, but even after that Don still stayed on in Mills camp. Some claim the three of them were very close which of course lead to many a rumour.
As for the rumours of Freddies death? well, as when any well known person dies in mysterious circumstances there are countless theorys thrown about. Mills was depressed, he had money troubles, it was a jealous lover, it was Chinese gangsters and it was the Krays etc etc.
As for myself? Well in life wether he was straight, bi or gay it doesn't alter my opinion on him as a man or fighter. As for his death? I really don't know to be honest. One thing is for sure he was a very good fighter and lived and eventfull life....and death.
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