Lightweights: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Carlos Ortiz

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 30 Oct 2006, 16:27

This is a great match up guys. Two great fighters going at it. I pick Ortiz by decision.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 30 Oct 2006, 18:01

You know I'd like to see how Mayweather handles a few more opponents before I'm ready to gift him fights with the great ones. This would be competitve but let's see how he handles Baldomir. If he totaly dominates the guy he moves up the ladder a bit for sure.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 31 Oct 2006, 07:46

Good points. For me it's been hard to judge based on the current general talent pool.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 02 Nov 2006, 14:43

Both are COMPLETE FIGHTERS. Ortiz was a perfect fighting machine when he was on top of his game, but sometimes lack the discipline. Pretty Boy has the talent to be the greatest fighter of all time.

But, can Pretty Boy would handle Carlos' pressure? Remember, Carlos was as fast as Floyd at lightweight.

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 04 Nov 2006, 12:35

Decagon wrote:Here are a few points I can say about Mayweather's compeition:
Genaro Hernandez: Tough, and one of the 10 or 15 best ever at 130.

Angel Manfreddy: Nice win by Mayweather, taking on a fighter perceived as being much tougher than he really needed to fight in his first defense. Easily the #1 contender, but as we later learned Manfreddy wasn't that great. High marks to Mayweather for taking him on.

Carlos Rios: The only difference between Rios and Gatti is skin color. One of my favorite fighters of the era.

Emmanuel Augustus: Horrible record because he's a drug addict and because he takes dives, but he gave 100% against Mayweather, and got badly beaten.

Diego Coralles: Yes, he can be outboxed, but no one anywhere near Coralles's size fought at 130, 135 or 140 in Ortiz's era. Day-before weigh-ins made this welterweight/middleweight a jr. lightweight.

Jesus Chavez: We all loved that this fight was taking place. Chavez had so many bad breaks in his career, but from the start, Mayweather wanted to fight him, and he did.

Jose Luis Castillo: Very tough lightweight, really a middleweight. I've always suspected that Castillo-Coralles II wasn't the first time his camp tampered with the scales. Huge props to Mayweather for taking on the best in the division, and giving him a rematch when a few people complained about the decision.

DeMarcus Corley: A very strong, talented and hard-hitting opponent to test out the waters at 140 against, given that Mayweather seemed so small at 135 against Castillo.

Arturo Gatti: A paper title for Mayweather to hold when the real champ at 140 was afraid to give Mayweather a shot. Mayweather gave up a good 15 pounds in this match.

Zab Judah: He'll never be an all-time-great given his inconsistency, but Judah at 147 is just as talented as Donald Curry. Mayweather not only faced someone bigger than he was, but faster.

Carlos Baldomir: You can't complain about a guy taking on the champion. Few real champions exist in boxing, and Mayweather's taking one on in Baldomir.

Theirs holes in some of these opponets, but you know this. And if Castillo looks like a middleweight then so does floyd, cause when they were in the ring together the size differnce wasn't that much of a differnce. Just look at Mayweather v. Baldomier, Mayweather looks like the bigger fighter, yet its Baldomier who has been getting the press that he is such a bigger fighter then floyd which is bs.

If floyd was such a small fighter, he would have stayed at 130 and fullfilled his forcast of 25 straight title defence of his jr. lightweight title.

And at Goyo Vargas, the former featherweight Champion, to the list of fighters that gave Mayweather problems.