Calzaghe's February barnburner!

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 08 Nov 2006, 11:34

Neri1983 wrote: This is bullshit low risk maximum reward. Why won't he go to Denmark?

Because he could lose.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 08 Nov 2006, 11:38

No way will he lose to Kessler if they fight.

He may land a few rights which Joe is open to, but he starts with the jab then right and Kessler will get countered when he throws the jab.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 08 Nov 2006, 11:47

pundit wrote:
Neri1983 wrote: This is bullshit low risk maximum reward. Why won't he go to Denmark?
Because he could lose.

warren don't want it in denmark cos he don't make as much out of it. no way is calzaghe going over to denmark for that fight.

it's the uk or nowhere for calzaghe-kessler.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:07

Terence wrote:How many tune-ups are needed?

People seem to think the Lacy win was a sprinkling of holy water which gave absolution to the rubbish we have sat through during this title reign.
It will be a warm-up for the Taylor fight, Calzaghe-Kessler is unlikely to happen and they will be equally unlikely to allow Taylor a warm-up fight at SM.

It is our duty as fans to support Taylor if the fight gets made (which it won't, unless Jermain comes to the UK or Joe fights Manfredo in the US and proves he is willing to go there and fight).

This is unacceptable, although Max is right it could be speculation. On the other hand Taylor won't be fighting in Feb nor will Kessler so the likelihood is that the fight either gets made or Joe picks up an injury training for TBA.

I thought it was going to be a springboard to greater things.

Not to mention a confirmation that he wasn't a fraud.

Anyway, if this is PHASE I for the Americans, it could be good if it leads to Taylor.

But I remember Lou's condition for that fight was for Calzaghe to go to America in Feb and get himself known.

And if Winky suddenly changes his mind & remembers how he'll make his biggest potential payday...

So if this fight is in the UK, then Calzaghe could already be losing the next big fight.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:07

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
pundit wrote:
Neri1983 wrote: This is bullshit low risk maximum reward. Why won't he go to Denmark?
Because he could lose.
warren don't want it in denmark cos he don't make as much out of it. no way is calzaghe going over to denmark for that fight.

it's the uk or nowhere for calzaghe-kessler.

It's in the UK with a plate of warm soup on offer for Kessler, or in Denmark with USD 3 million on offer for Calzaghe.

Actually, it's neither nor. Calzaghe could lose, so they fight won't happen.

At least that's my hunch.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:08

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
pundit wrote:
Neri1983 wrote: This is bullshit low risk maximum reward. Why won't he go to Denmark?
Because he could lose.
warren don't want it in denmark cos he don't make as much out of it. no way is calzaghe going over to denmark for that fight.

it's the uk or nowhere for calzaghe-kessler.

Very true. This is ridiculous. What I hate about this fcked up sport.

Imagine Chelsea refusing to go to Old Trafford

Is this the only sport where the best don't meet?

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:10

If what Freiheit says is true about Kessler not being a draw in Denmark then the fight won't sell in Denmark very much. So Kessler will have to come over here.

Seems Handball is more popular over there than Boxing.

Plus can Palle really afford 20 million Krone(1.8 Million pounds)? They already lost money on having to pay Beyer the lions share.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:11

Max Molyneux wrote:No way will he lose to Kessler if they fight.

He may land a few rights which Joe is open to, but he starts with the jab then right and Kessler will get countered when he throws the jab.

There is a very strong possibility that he loses. For you to say "no way" for such a well matched fight really says something about you.

For all his ability, Calzaghe still doesn't know how to avoid a right hand. When he throws punches of his own, his chin is up like a flag and any elite fighter has a great chance of nailing him.

Also, shoeshine shots are all very well, but top class fighters know how to avoid getting hit, especially when half of the punches are going to be nothing shots and slaps.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:15

Why are we talking Kessler-Calzaghe anyway?

He wanted Hopkins, now he wants Taylor. Calzaghe has made clear he doesn't give a damn about facing the one true peer he ever had.

Joe already said "I'm supposed to be fighting Kessler in Feb, but to be honest I can't be bothered" (or something like that).

Now he's fighting Manfredo.

Leave it to Kessler to have a PROPER title reign.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:17

viciousmaussa wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:No way will he lose to Kessler if they fight.

He may land a few rights which Joe is open to, but he starts with the jab then right and Kessler will get countered when he throws the jab.
There is a very strong possibility that he loses. For you to say "no way" for such a well matched fight really says something about you.

For all his ability, Calzaghe still doesn't know how to avoid a right hand. When he throws punches of his own, his chin is up like a flag and any elite fighter has a great chance of nailing him.

Also, shoeshine shots are all very well, but top class fighters know how to avoid getting hit, especially when half of the punches are going to be nothing shots and slaps.

How does it say anything about me? No one knows me here to even say that.

It may sound biased but thats my rightful opinion and your in your right to disagree about it. It doesn't say anything more than that.

He's open to rights but how many do anyone really land on him? He tuck his chin him enough and Kessler doesn't start off with the right or throws it on it's own as a single shot like Bika did.

You were saying Bika was top class before the fight and for rights he landed, he didn't really stand a chance to win.

The slaps are exaggerated although he does tend to slap a bit. He throws so many and quick enough for them to tend to slap.

Can Kessler handle a pace what Calzaghe can bring too?

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:19

viciousmaussa wrote:Why are we talking Kessler-Calzaghe anyway?

He wanted Hopkins, now he wants Taylor. Calzaghe has made clear he doesn't give a damn about facing the one true peer he ever had.

Joe already said "I'm supposed to be fighting Kessler in Feb, but to be honest I can't be bothered" (or something like that).

Now he's fighting Manfredo.

Leave it to Kessler to have a PROPER title reign.

Errm the Manfredo article is only a rumour until confirmed.

I thought Seconds out had no credit here?

As for the Hopkins thing no one complains when Floyd wants DLH whos basically retired like Hopkins but wants one more big fight.

Too much sensitivity and double standards in some posts.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:23

Manfredo is a piss poor opponent for Joe, it's a novelty fight.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:24

Max Molyneux wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:No way will he lose to Kessler if they fight.

He may land a few rights which Joe is open to, but he starts with the jab then right and Kessler will get countered when he throws the jab.
There is a very strong possibility that he loses. For you to say "no way" for such a well matched fight really says something about you.

For all his ability, Calzaghe still doesn't know how to avoid a right hand. When he throws punches of his own, his chin is up like a flag and any elite fighter has a great chance of nailing him.

Also, shoeshine shots are all very well, but top class fighters know how to avoid getting hit, especially when half of the punches are going to be nothing shots and slaps.
How does it say anything about me? No one knows me here to even say that.

I think we do.

Max Molyneux
==
Calzaghe woulda coulda shoulda beat everyone, Frankie Warren always picks the biggest baddest best opponents for Calzaghe, and whoever Calzaghe doesn't fight is nothing special.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 08 Nov 2006, 12:28

pundit wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:There is a very strong possibility that he loses. For you to say "no way" for such a well matched fight really says something about you.

For all his ability, Calzaghe still doesn't know how to avoid a right hand. When he throws punches of his own, his chin is up like a flag and any elite fighter has a great chance of nailing him.

Also, shoeshine shots are all very well, but top class fighters know how to avoid getting hit, especially when half of the punches are going to be nothing shots and slaps.

How does it say anything about me? No one knows me here to even say that.
I think we do.

Max Molyneux
==
Calzaghe woulda coulda shoulda beat everyone, Frankie Warren always picks the biggest baddest best opponents for Calzaghe, and whoever Calzaghe doesn't fight is nothing special.

Ok if you want to give me atitude like that then will someone shoot this retard if he wants to play word twisting.

I keep saying I agree that Kessler should be Joes next fight and that he's the only super middle worth it, but if Kessler has to fight the other guy first then Joe could have a stay busy then fight him right after, like he did with Lacy.

As for the rest your a fucktard.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 08 Nov 2006, 13:05

viciousmaussa wrote: Leave it to Kessler to have a PROPER title reign.

Too true. The sooner Calzaghe fuks off, the better!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 08 Nov 2006, 13:09

Bollocks how many warmups does Calzaghe need in his career? Bika was supposedly a warmup to better things....

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 08 Nov 2006, 13:10

If this happens,it's a complete joke.An utter piss take,but are we to be suprised if it does happen?
Calzaghe's whole career has been like this....

I agree with what Terence said earlier.
It's a shame Lacy did'nt beat Joe,it would have been better for the sport.
So sick of fighters not taking risks or fighting the very best.It's one of the main reasons why hardly anyone gives a shit about the sport today.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 08 Nov 2006, 13:24

This is just embarrassing.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 08 Nov 2006, 13:38

If only Calzaghe had come along 13 years earlier, somehow ended up fighting in america and got wiped out by Toney/Nunn/Gerald McClellan, then we wouldn't have to waste our time talking about this guy.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 08 Nov 2006, 13:39

You know whats funny. I'm so sure that almost everyone in this thread haven't even seen Manfredo's last two fights at 168. He is easily top 10 material. The best part, people prop up Andrade as a quality defence, and think Manfredo is shite

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 08 Nov 2006, 13:51

lvlarc_uk wrote:You know whats funny. I'm so sure that almost everyone in this thread haven't even seen Manfredo's last two fights at 168. He is easily top 10 material....

But isnt that the point that nearly everybody is alluding to?....Calzaghe shouldnt be messing about with people just scrapping into the top-ten - Calzaghe should be going after other champions.

And the fact that in his last two fights, Manfredo has beat a 39 yrs old Scott Pemberton, and a fella by the name of Joe Spina (who?) doesnt really mean shit.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 08 Nov 2006, 14:00

It's how he beat them and how he looked that matters.

Personally I was hoping his next fight would be Taylor, but Jermain is fighting Ouma in December. Kessler is obviously out injured from the Beyer fight.
Mundine is busy, and hunting the Soliman fight. I wouldn't of minded the quality Inkin. Froch is fighting Dodson etc. And truth is, there would be complaints about all of the fights above.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 08 Nov 2006, 14:06

Ultimately, it's uselss to talk about this. We get get into a load of long drawn out arguments but Calzaghe's going to do what he wants, take the fights Warren wants him to have, and then when we're all fed up beyond despair, maybe they'll surprise us by taking a major fight and beating someone worthwhile.

They'll amke a lot of money; we'll waste our fvc&ing time.

We should save our brain cells debating about that - when it happens.

Max- it just struck me as a bit harsh that Calzaghe would definitely beat Kessler, without a doubt.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 08 Nov 2006, 14:12

Who should Calzaghe fight in February?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 08 Nov 2006, 14:20

Problem is, the hunt for an opponent is always so drawn out, and there always appears to be so much messing about, that opportunities slip further and further away.

Now there dosn't appear to be anyone who was top drawer who is free. Between the Lacy fight and the Bika fight, opportunities were there but were smegged away.

It's plain that they want to fight a green/promising American, in order to hype a Taylor fight. If it causes a Taylor fight to happen, we'll all have something to look forward to.

Maybe not the fighter we all want him to fight, but definitely better than the norm.