Molitor - Is he really so good?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2006, 06:45

Will Molitor be another Al Seeger? Seeger, stopped by Ponce de leon recently, had a reputation of being a fine boxer yet he had barely ventured out of his hometown and was painfully exposed by De Leon.

Molitor has seldom fought outside of Canada. Do we know ANYTHING about any of his opponents, aside from Nicky Booth? Molitor has only 8 KOs from around 22 wins. He says part time pound for pounder Israel Vazquez ducked him. But can anyone back this up?

What I'm driving at is, is Molitor the Quality Boxer that everyone says he is? How do we know he's that good?

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 10 Nov 2006, 06:47

Took this paragraph from Maxboxing relating to his past opponents.

He has fought many fighters who at one time held or fought for world titles. They include Jose De Jesus Lopez who lost a championship fight to Wladimir Sidorenko less than a year ago; Nicky Booth from whom Molitor won the British Commonwealth title; Julio Coronel who fought Michael Carbajal, Veeraphol Sahaprom, Adan Vargas, and Tim Austin; Hugo Dianzo, a one time NABF champion and opponent of Tim Austin; and Pedro Javier Torres who fought Johnny Tapia and won the South American title. In early 2006, Molitor earned his position as a mandatory challenger for the IBF crown, and nearly a year later he’s finally getting his shot.

http://www.maxboxing.com/Conway/Conway111006.asp

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2006, 07:02

Interesting - thanks for the info.

Looks like Booth was his best win.

A lot of what Conway says can be seen as exaggeration. I mean, Sahaprom & Carbajal fought their share of cream puffs. And German-based Sidorenko's opponents aren't exactly pulled from the top of the ladder.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 10 Nov 2006, 07:27

I seem to remember that Nicky was favourite to beat Molitor before thier fight, but he was completly outboxed by the Canadian, IMO Booth and Hunter have similar styles, come foward agression, so Hunter may play into Molitor's hands.

Also I wouldn't read to much into Molitor not fighting away much, he beat Scotty Olsen in that fighters hometown, Molitor then went to Nottingham to beat Booth.

I've seen a few of Molitors fights, and to me he looks special, nothing seems to faze him in the ring, he's completly focused. I don't think the lack of a big punch is that much of a problem, as his all round skills are superb.

lurkyshaka · Post by **lurkyshaka** » 10 Nov 2006, 07:33

Molitor's fought mainly out of Canada but what his record doesn't indicate is how many times he's fought in opponents backyards. I know for a fact that Molitor is an unknown underappreciated guy even in Canada. His fight against Hunter isn't even been shown live on TV over there.
He's a quality operator no doubt and genuinely good, but fighting in Hartlepool will be a new experience to him. His lack of power is a problem and im hoping that Hunter can get to him in a similar way he got at Esham Pickering but its a tough fight. If Molitor is having early success then Hunter is probably f*cked. Hunter has to get onto this guy from the off, rough him up and not let him get any rhythm or fluidity going.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2006, 07:33

topper123 wrote:I seem to remember that Nicky was favourite to beat Molitor before thier fight, but he was completly outboxed by the Canadian, IMO Booth and Hunter have similar styles, come foward agression, so Hunter may play into Molitor's hands.

Also I wouldn't read to much into Molitor not fighting away much, he beat Scotty Olsen in that fighters hometown, Molitor then went to Nottingham to beat Booth.

I've seen a few of Molitors fights, and to me he looks special, nothing seems to faze him in the ring, he's completly focused. I don't think the lack of a big punch is that much of a problem, as his all round skills are superb.

Never seen him myself, but I'll take your word for his skills.

I don't think Olson is a great win. Olson was a junior flyweight nearly was in the Carbajal era, wasn't he?

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 10 Nov 2006, 07:44

Olson was past his best , but Molitor still had to go into Scottys hometown to get past him, so he knows what its like to fight as the away boxer.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 10 Nov 2006, 07:44

Did both make weight?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 10 Nov 2006, 08:04

Only seen Molitor v Booth, but on that form he looked real class: excellent boxing skills and a cool head. Hunter will no doubt have his hands full tonight, but home ground can mean a helluva lot for a fired up pressure fighter like Hunter.
The first few rounds will probably give a good indication as to whether this is gonna be Hunter's night or not.

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 10 Nov 2006, 09:04

Come on MICKY!!!!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2006, 09:12

Max Molyneux wrote:Did both make weight?

yeah

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 10 Nov 2006, 10:31

Can;t find no articles on the weigh in. :x

Anyway it's pub time for me tonight come on Michael.

kevin · Post by **kevin** » 10 Nov 2006, 10:52

I had a photographer there but he didn't get the weights.

Pong · Post by **Pong** » 10 Nov 2006, 10:59

viciousmaussa wrote:Interesting - thanks for the info.

Looks like Booth was his best win.

A lot of what Conway says can be seen as exaggeration. I mean, Sahaprom & Carbajal fought their share of cream puffs. And German-based Sidorenko's opponents aren't exactly pulled from the top of the ladder.

On the contrary, Cordoba, Kratingdaenggym, Agbeko are very tough opponents, all top ten at 118 IMHO. Agbeko needs to get his shit together, hasn´t fought in two years. :(

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2006, 11:34

So, is anyone going to crawl out of the woodwork and tell me that Molitor is "overrated", "fought only bums", etc?

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 10 Nov 2006, 11:43

viciousmaussa wrote:So, is anyone going to crawl out of the woodwork and tell me that Molitor is "overrated", "fought only bums", etc?

Nah, I think he'll win. I'm gonna go on a treble - Molitor, Oquendo and Klitschko all to win. Combined odds represents just over 2/1.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 10 Nov 2006, 13:13

johnswan1 wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:So, is anyone going to crawl out of the woodwork and tell me that Molitor is "overrated", "fought only bums", etc?
Nah, I think he'll win. I'm gonna go on a treble - Molitor, Oquendo and Klitschko all to win. Combined odds represents just over 2/1.

Seems a pretty sound bet, though I nearly had a heart attack last time I put money on Wlad v Peter.

Brock looks made for him though.

DIRT SUGAR · Post by **DIRT SUGAR** » 10 Nov 2006, 14:15

Molitor's classy and very smooth and if Hunter can't a) hit him he can't b) hurt him which means I think he's in for a very difficult evening and likely to get outboxed most of the way. Not sure if Molitor can stop him, he's not a puncher at all, but he's very consistent, well-schooled and will be in great shape despite recent activity.

Hunter, fighting in front of his home fans, can make life uncomfortable for the Candadian if he has a sensible plan of attack. If he bundles straight ahead, chances are he'll get outboxed and run out a loser by four/five points on the judges cards.

But if he can cajole Molitor into standing and trading and use decent angles and attack the body, he can get into the fight.

From what I've seen of Hunter he seems a very good domestic/European fighter with that lack of finesse that will just stop him short of moving up to world level.

From an English fan's point of view I wish him nothing but the best but I feel he could be in for a long and frustrating time this evening.

Molitor by 117/112 type scores on the judges' scorecards.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 10 Nov 2006, 14:20

DIRT SUGAR wrote:Molitor's classy and very smooth and if Hunter can't a) hit him he can't b) hurt him which means I think he's in for a very difficult evening and likely to get outboxed most of the way. Not sure if Molitor can stop him, he's not a puncher at all, but he's very consistent, well-schooled and will be in great shape despite recent activity.

Hunter, fighting in front of his home fans, can make life uncomfortable for the Candadian if he has a sensible plan of attack. If he bundles straight ahead, chances are he'll get outboxed and run out a loser by four/five points on the judges cards.

But if he can cajole Molitor into standing and trading and use decent angles and attack the body, he can get into the fight.

From what I've seen of Hunter he seems a very good domestic/European fighter with that lack of finesse that will just stop him short of moving up to world level.

From an English fan's point of view I wish him nothing but the best but I feel he could be in for a long and frustrating time this evening.

Molitor by 117/112 type scores on the judges' scorecards.

Good post, my thoughts are the same.

JC · Post by JC » 10 Nov 2006, 15:28

Coral and Paddy Power both have 5/4 on a Molitor points win, whcih is too tempting.

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 10 Nov 2006, 15:28

Max Molyneux wrote:Can;t find no articles on the weigh in. :x

Anyway it's pub time for me tonight come on Michael.

Yeah respect max

Go Michael

Dream come true for him if he wins and all his Hartlepool mates/fans

Alex · Post by **Alex** » 10 Nov 2006, 17:19

I've seen him once before - very clever but, from what I saw, throws arm punches, which are fast, but don't carry his weight. Points win for Molitor I reckon.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 10 Nov 2006, 17:30

Razor wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Can;t find no articles on the weigh in. :x

Anyway it's pub time for me tonight come on Michael.
Yeah respect max

Go Michael

Dream come true for him if he wins and all his Hartlepool mates/fans

It's off the pub I goooooooo.