Open scoring is used

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 14 Nov 2006, 04:59

http://www.fightnews.com/koizumi351.htm

Seems like it worked last night , but i'm stil not convinced that its a good idea

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 14 Nov 2006, 06:54

Terence wrote:Are those MMA guys paying the alphabet boys to ruin boxing?

This makes me feel so fooked-off with the sport, I am getting tired of international boxing and its myriad problems (well until Paccers-Morales III comes around). As soon as one guy sits out the last four knowing he has a win in the bag the open-scoring will die a death

By the same token, the other fighter will know he needs to do something and will try to drag the other guy into a brawl.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Nov 2006, 09:41

I'm all for it, I don't think for a second it's going to result in any more stinkers than we already have.

Also, it seems the crowd reacted well to the open scoring. They are going to be cheering to the rafters for the guy who is behind going into the last 3rd of the fight.

There is also the issue that it removes the excuse of a fighter saying "I thought I was winning going into the last four rounds, I wuz robbed."

How different would the DLH Trinidad fight have been with open scoring? He surely wouldn't have been running like a thief.

Correct me if I am wrong, but a referee can penalise someone for running like a thief anyhow, or even DQ them, so I don't see what the problem is. If someone is already boxing someone's ears off, and continues to do so for the last four rounds, then so what? At least the guy who is behind knows exactly what he has to do, which has to be preferable in my book.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 14 Nov 2006, 10:03

It worked ok last night, but i predict that judges will come under attack from cornermen and the crowd is they don't agree with the scoring after 8 rounds.

Japanese crowds are some of the politest in the world, but what will happen in say Italy or some south ameriacan countries if there favourite is losing on points?

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 14 Nov 2006, 10:26

Running the clock down is something they do in other sports. That's when the TV goes off and people start leaving the arena. How many times have you seen your favorite team run the clock down because they know they're ahead?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Nov 2006, 10:31

Of course, but in boxing no matter how far behind you are, a single shot ends the bout, the same is not true in other sports.

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 14 Nov 2006, 10:33

While that may be true, the chances of you landing that single shot are cut drastically when your opponent is strictly defense.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Nov 2006, 11:40

I can of course see where there could be problems with such a system, but there are currently problems with the system we have also.

I think that you would have to start penalising fighters more regularly for fighting extemely negatively.

Bear in mind though, how often is a fighter going to be MORE than four rounds up with four to go, not very often is my guess, so they won't just be able to backpedal for four rounds and lose the last four.

Even if you win six out of the first eight, you're only four rounds up, and even that's fairly rare in boxing.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 14 Nov 2006, 12:32

couple of things that need to be cleared up, if a boxer is penalised a point is that recorded at the end of a round, or is that taken off at the fights end?
Also say a boxer is cut in the first 3 rounds by an accidental headbutt, in WBC rules that means that the boxer causing the unintentional headbutt is deducted a point, so after 4 rounds its quite possible for him to be down a couple of rounds in a even in a close fight. The cut boxer's corner then see's the scorecards and knows if his boxer doesn't come out because of the cut , he wins!!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Nov 2006, 12:36

Deducted points are tallied at rounds end, noted on the scorecard. The round is scored normally, and then the point is deducted. Thus if you won the round 10-9 and then were deducted a point, it would be 9-9.

As for not coming out, if the corner retires a fighter voluntarily, he loses, no matter what, only the referee can stop the fight under instruction of the ringside physician.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 14 Nov 2006, 12:39

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Deducted points are tallied at rounds end, noted on the scorecard. The round is scored normally, and then the point is deducted. Thus if you won the round 10-9 and then were deducted a point, it would be 9-9.

As for not coming out, if the corner retires a fighter voluntarily, he loses, no matter what, only the referee can stop the fight under instruction of the ringside physician.

Thanks for that, regarding the cut rule, i can still see a corner not bothering to treat a cut if they know the ref may stop it, forcing the ref into making his decision.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Nov 2006, 12:43

Not treating a cut wouldn't be a good idea though, the fighter could end up with horrendous damage to their eyes leaving permanent scarring.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 14 Nov 2006, 12:53

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Not treating a cut wouldn't be a good idea though, the fighter could end up with horrendous damage to their eyes leaving permanent scarring.

absolutly i agree, but its just something that i wouldn't put past some people involved in boxing.
I just see this open scoring is a system that will be abused by some.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 14 Nov 2006, 14:08

Not sure I am that keen on its use, I guess we'll know more as more fights happen with it in place.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 14 Nov 2006, 15:50

As I've posted before I really do not know how I feel about its introduction. Now that it has been adopted I hope that a lengthy period of time is given for it to be assessed properly. Only then will we know whether it adds anything or is detrimental to the sport.