Thanks for adding some intelligent discussion to this thread. It’s interesting that silkov can waste so much time with attempted juvenile humor, but he couldn’t come up with a single fact to support his parroting of this common misconception about Louis. I guess it’s best that he continue to play the clown since he has nothing else to offer in this discussion.barry wrote:>>>tell me something that proves Louis wasnt troubled by fast mobile fighters?<<<
Well the only example that he was troubled in his prime was the one bout with Conn. Other than that, no fast mobile fighter ever gave Louis any trouble and being that Louis absolutely destroyed Conn in the rematch then there is a real good chance that Louis was simply having a bad night in they're first fight, but trouble with fast, mobile fighters Louis did not have...in fact, other than that one Conn bout...no one else could even really compete with the speed of Louis. He wasn't the most mobile of heavyweights, but then again...he didn't need to be. Now he may have had trouble later in his career with Ezz Charles and Walcott, but put a prime Louis in with a prime Charles and a prime Walcott and see who has troubles!
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Adults answer simple questions mate. In your case, barry had to answer it for you.silkov wrote:Its amazing the hysteria that can be generated just by saying a few negative comments about Louis or Marciano?!.... are we adults here or what?.... some of us are, but others are a bit left of field I fear!... 8)
Well good for him for being bothered to reply to you, but then he hadnt spent as long as me trying to get a semblance of sense out of your biased mind mate... at the end of the day I'm not bothered what you think!...The Great John L wrote:Adults answer simple questions mate. In your case, barry had to answer it for you.silkov wrote:Its amazing the hysteria that can be generated just by saying a few negative comments about Louis or Marciano?!.... are we adults here or what?.... some of us are, but others are a bit left of field I fear!... 8)
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Good to know for those of us who do actually think.silkov wrote:Well good for him for being bothered to reply to you, but then he hadnt spent as long as me trying to get a semblance of sense out of your biased mind mate... at the end of the day I'm not bothered what you think!...The Great John L wrote:Adults answer simple questions mate. In your case, barry had to answer it for you.silkov wrote:Its amazing the hysteria that can be generated just by saying a few negative comments about Louis or Marciano?!.... are we adults here or what?.... some of us are, but others are a bit left of field I fear!... 8)
but you dont think, which is why you're boring and closed minded... 8)The Great John L wrote:Good to know for those of us who do actually think.silkov wrote:Well good for him for being bothered to reply to you, but then he hadnt spent as long as me trying to get a semblance of sense out of your biased mind mate... at the end of the day I'm not bothered what you think!...The Great John L wrote: Adults answer simple questions mate. In your case, barry had to answer it for you.
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1996.barry wrote:>>>tell me something that proves Louis wasnt troubled by fast mobile fighters?<<<
Well the only example that he was troubled in his prime was the one bout with Conn. Other than that, no fast mobile fighter ever gave Louis any trouble and being that Louis absolutely destroyed Conn in the rematch then there is a real good chance that Louis was simply having a bad night in they're first fight, but trouble with fast, mobile fighters Louis did not have...in fact, other than that one Conn bout...no one else could even really compete with the speed of Louis. He wasn't the most mobile of heavyweights, but then again...he didn't need to be. Now he may have had trouble later in his career with Ezz Charles and Walcott, but put a prime Louis in with a prime Charles and a prime Walcott and see who has troubles!
>>>what about when holmes blantantly ducked greg page in 1983 pulling a Mike Tyson and giving up his WBC title rather than fight page. page won the WBC title eliminater over sniped to fight holmes, and holmes said "i dont want to fight greg page"(theres a whole interview on it, ill find it)....and gave up his WBC title so he wouldnt have to fight page. Just like Tyson did rather than fight Lewis.<<<
I don't recall Tyson ever giving up any belts instead of fighting so and so. Bowe gave up the WBC title instead of face Lewis, but Tyson never did!!
He paid Lewis money to step aside (lewis is as guilty for taking it), then when the WBC demanded that Tyson fight Lewis, he dropped the WBC belt.
with Braddock I doubt that too ....but I think a prime Max Schmeling (of the 1931 Stribling or the 1936 Louis fight ) at least would have a chance to do so....he's another class than Braddock.silkov wrote: Yeah, can you see Holmes being floored by Braddock or Koed by Max Schmeling!!?...
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I take your point. I still think there is something slightly disreputable in 2 fighters exchanging money in order NOT to fight. However, Lewis did at least press the matter later and Tyson responded by dropping the WBC title rather than meeting Lewis in the ring.Decagon wrote:You can't really blame Lewis. The $4 million supposedly was so that Tyson-Lewis could take place six months after the deadline. Tyson was going to drop the WBC belt no matter what; the $4 million was just so that he could look cool by holding the WBA and WBC belts.Collins2000 wrote:1996.
He paid Lewis money to step aside (lewis is as guilty for taking it), then when the WBC demanded that Tyson fight Lewis, he dropped the WBC belt.
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They were both wary of fighting eachother in truth... Lewis only really started to fancy a Tyson fight after the Tyson vs Holifield fights.... and he was still wary of Tysons power even when they finally met, which was rather dissapointing for me... but then Lewis knew his shortcomings far more than he would ever let on publicly...