Golden Gloves- Sub-Novice
Golden Gloves- Sub-Novice
I understand that Ernest Anthony won the New York Golden Gloves 135 lb. Sub-Novice division title in 1951. Does anyone know what Sub-Novice division means?
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SUB NOVICE
It may vary in in other parts of the usa
Sub Novice 17 years old with no fights
Novice 17-20years old 1-10 fights
Open 17-34 years old 10 or more fights
Sub Novice 17 years old with no fights
Novice 17-20years old 1-10 fights
Open 17-34 years old 10 or more fights
Re: Scypion
It used to be that you could enter the tournament as soon as you turned 16 and even earlier on occasion (I turned 16 a few weeks after winning the PA GG sub-novice tourney back in 1982). LOL.Scypion wrote:Thanks guys. That makes sense. Ernest Anthony was 16 when he won the New York Golden Gloves Sub-Novice division in 1951.
With the rules now, a boxer must be 16 and turn 17 before August 1st of the calendar year to box in that year's Golden Gloves tournament. There are a few exceptions.
Our LBC tourney, which is being held on December 8 & 9, is allowing boxers who are 16 to enter as long as they turn 17 before August 1st, 2007.
New York Golden Gloves.
Thanks Dennis. Sounds like you were pretty good.
Did you box after the PA GG?
Did you box after the PA GG?
According to USA Boxing's current rule book:
Ac109.2 Classification of boxers.
(1) The following shall establish experience classifications.
(a) Sub-novice class. A boxer who has not competed in a sanctioned USA
Boxing boxing match.
(b) Novice class. A boxer who has competed in 10 or less sanctioned USA
Boxing boxing matches. Said boxer’s 10th bout shall be in the novice class. (17 to 34)
(c) Open class. A boxer who has competed in more than 10 sanctioned USA Boxing boxing matches. Said boxer’s 11th bout shall be in the open class. (17 to 34)
Ac109.2 Classification of boxers.
(1) The following shall establish experience classifications.
(a) Sub-novice class. A boxer who has not competed in a sanctioned USA
Boxing boxing match.
(b) Novice class. A boxer who has competed in 10 or less sanctioned USA
Boxing boxing matches. Said boxer’s 10th bout shall be in the novice class. (17 to 34)
(c) Open class. A boxer who has competed in more than 10 sanctioned USA Boxing boxing matches. Said boxer’s 11th bout shall be in the open class. (17 to 34)
Gloden Gloves
Thanks Boxme.
I think that the age limits must have changed sometime since the early 1950's. I say this because Floyd Patterson won the New York Golden Gloves (Open) as well as the Eastern Golden Gloves (Open) when he was 16 years old in 1951.
I think that the age limits must have changed sometime since the early 1950's. I say this because Floyd Patterson won the New York Golden Gloves (Open) as well as the Eastern Golden Gloves (Open) when he was 16 years old in 1951.
Re: New York Golden Gloves.
I was OK. Yes, I had a few bouts in the mid 80's. I have sparred with top amateurs and pros over the years, including Olympians and National Champions. I coach and still spar with the pro and amatuer boxers some of whom are top ranked amateurs. Once boxing is in your blood, it is hard to get it out.Scypion wrote:Thanks Dennis. Sounds like you were pretty good.
Did you box after the PA GG?
Mel is right, a lot has changed in amateur boxing over the past couple of decades. In fact, a lot changes every few years. Vaseline used to be allowed and then wasn't for many years and now it is allowed on the face.
And now you can "coach" in the corner (as long as you're not yelling!), but you still can't encourage/incite people in the audience to do the same. Coaches can wear hats, too. Boxers can hold more, which I don't like because it leads to wrestling if the ref doesn't break them before it gets that far.
Dennis - what amateurs do you train?
Dennis - what amateurs do you train?
Scypion
Boxmel: Sorry that I didn't get your name right before. Thanks again for the further info.
Dennis: Sounds like you have had an interesting life.
My boxing experience consists of being a sparring partner for my older brother. He was boxing at his high school, which had a boxing program. Anyway, I remember that he knocked me from one end of our basement to the other.
My favorite boxers when I was a kid were Kid Gavilan, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Floyd Patterson. In retrospect, I have come to appreciate what a great fighter that Ezzard Charles was. I believe that Charles was probably the greatest Light Heavyweight in history, but couldn't get a shot at that title. I think that Patterson could have been a great Light Heavyweight if he had stayed in that division.
Dennis: Sounds like you have had an interesting life.
My boxing experience consists of being a sparring partner for my older brother. He was boxing at his high school, which had a boxing program. Anyway, I remember that he knocked me from one end of our basement to the other.
My favorite boxers when I was a kid were Kid Gavilan, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Floyd Patterson. In retrospect, I have come to appreciate what a great fighter that Ezzard Charles was. I believe that Charles was probably the greatest Light Heavyweight in history, but couldn't get a shot at that title. I think that Patterson could have been a great Light Heavyweight if he had stayed in that division.
I currently train my sons and a gym full of other boxers. My son Jordan Shimmell is ranked #4 at 201. We have a lot of junior olympic boxers, novice boxers, a few open boxers and a few pro boxers that train at our gym. I have helped work with some other boxers in the past from our gym. Jesse Briseno was from our gym - 2 time National GG champ. Adam Mayweather, Pat Wesson, Alex Sepulveda, Ryan Schmidt and others have also trained at our gym.boxmel wrote:And now you can "coach" in the corner (as long as you're not yelling!), but you still can't encourage/incite people in the audience to do the same. Coaches can wear hats, too. Boxers can hold more, which I don't like because it leads to wrestling if the ref doesn't break them before it gets that far.
Dennis - what amateurs do you train?
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Did Jordan compete at the PAL in October? I hope I get the chance to see him next year. I have been assigned as a computer tech to the Western Trials and the Box-offs, so there is the possibility. 
Wish him good luck for me. As far as I'm concerned, that weight division is up for grabs.
And, yes, I remember Jesse Briseno.
Wish him good luck for me. As far as I'm concerned, that weight division is up for grabs.And, yes, I remember Jesse Briseno.
Mel,
No, Jordan did not compete in the PAL as he decided to play football again for the last time since it is his senior year of high school. He is now devoting 100% of his time to trying to make the olympic team. He just turned 18 so it is a little bit of a long shot, but he has already defeated many currently or formerly ranked boxers. We have a boxing show this Saturday and the LBC tourney on December 8 & 9 (a mere 7 months before the nationals - LOL). I'm sure you know the reason for the huge gap between the LBC and nationals. Hopefully, we will see you at the box-offs. I'm not sure if we will be at the Western Trials. I'm hoping he is already qualified by then.
Jesse just got married a few months ago and seems to be doing very well. He was coaching off and on at another local gym that recently closed so I'm trying to get him to come to our gym and coach.
Did you see Jordan box at either of the National Junior Olympics held in Brownsville? He won a bronze in 2004. He won his quarter-final match by RSC and then lost on a tie-breaker in the semi-finals to Oleksandr Mamoshuk (the gold medalist). Jordan then won the gold medal in 2005, he had a bye in the quarters, a win by RSCO in the semis and then defeated Bear Richardson 6-1 in the finals.
Were you at the 2006 National Golden Gloves? Jordan made it to the finals and lost to Eric Fields on a very close 3-2 split decision. Fields was the defending champion and he also won the Golden Boy award as the most outstanding boxer of the tournament. Fields had a mouse under each eye whereas Jordan's face was not marked. That was Fields last amateur bout and he is now 4-0 with 4 KO's as a pro.
Answering "The Watcher" (love that screen name):
Pat Wesson is doing fine. He occasionally comes to our gym and spars with Jordan and/or me. Pat is 7-0 (4 KO's) as a pro. Alex "Papito" Sepulveda is doing well from what I hear. He just had his pro debut on the undercard of the Mayweather-Baldomir show, which he won easily. Alex sparred with Jordan about 1 to 1.5 years ago. Jordan was just too big for him. Jordan and Alex used to spar when they were both younger and about the same size, but Alex is 4 years older than Jordan.
It would be nice if you could bring your super-heavy and 165 (such a nice kid) to spar at our gym. Maybe sometime in mid to late December. You know me, I will arrange for a number of good boxers to be there for a round robin affair. I might even get in there with Hunter for fun.
Williams (Jordan's opponent from October) has knocked all of his opponents out since boxing Jordan. I think he will be Michigan's super-heavy after the LBC tourney. I'm not sure if Skolnik will box at super-heavy in our LBC tourney, but that would be an exciting bout to watch if it happens. We will see you guys at the Regionals being held in Michigan in January. When is your LBC tourney?
No, Jordan did not compete in the PAL as he decided to play football again for the last time since it is his senior year of high school. He is now devoting 100% of his time to trying to make the olympic team. He just turned 18 so it is a little bit of a long shot, but he has already defeated many currently or formerly ranked boxers. We have a boxing show this Saturday and the LBC tourney on December 8 & 9 (a mere 7 months before the nationals - LOL). I'm sure you know the reason for the huge gap between the LBC and nationals. Hopefully, we will see you at the box-offs. I'm not sure if we will be at the Western Trials. I'm hoping he is already qualified by then.
Jesse just got married a few months ago and seems to be doing very well. He was coaching off and on at another local gym that recently closed so I'm trying to get him to come to our gym and coach.
Did you see Jordan box at either of the National Junior Olympics held in Brownsville? He won a bronze in 2004. He won his quarter-final match by RSC and then lost on a tie-breaker in the semi-finals to Oleksandr Mamoshuk (the gold medalist). Jordan then won the gold medal in 2005, he had a bye in the quarters, a win by RSCO in the semis and then defeated Bear Richardson 6-1 in the finals.
Were you at the 2006 National Golden Gloves? Jordan made it to the finals and lost to Eric Fields on a very close 3-2 split decision. Fields was the defending champion and he also won the Golden Boy award as the most outstanding boxer of the tournament. Fields had a mouse under each eye whereas Jordan's face was not marked. That was Fields last amateur bout and he is now 4-0 with 4 KO's as a pro.
Answering "The Watcher" (love that screen name):
Pat Wesson is doing fine. He occasionally comes to our gym and spars with Jordan and/or me. Pat is 7-0 (4 KO's) as a pro. Alex "Papito" Sepulveda is doing well from what I hear. He just had his pro debut on the undercard of the Mayweather-Baldomir show, which he won easily. Alex sparred with Jordan about 1 to 1.5 years ago. Jordan was just too big for him. Jordan and Alex used to spar when they were both younger and about the same size, but Alex is 4 years older than Jordan.
It would be nice if you could bring your super-heavy and 165 (such a nice kid) to spar at our gym. Maybe sometime in mid to late December. You know me, I will arrange for a number of good boxers to be there for a round robin affair. I might even get in there with Hunter for fun.
Williams (Jordan's opponent from October) has knocked all of his opponents out since boxing Jordan. I think he will be Michigan's super-heavy after the LBC tourney. I'm not sure if Skolnik will box at super-heavy in our LBC tourney, but that would be an exciting bout to watch if it happens. We will see you guys at the Regionals being held in Michigan in January. When is your LBC tourney?
Dennis -
I'll be watching to see what and how he does next year. Hope to meet you both somewhere along the way.
Good for him. I'm glad to see he has other interests. Makes for a well-rounded kid.
No, Jordan did not compete in the PAL as he decided to play football again for the last time since it is his senior year of high school.
Yes, it is - but only from a maturity and experience point of view. I look at the current rankings and. as I said before, I think the HW division is up for grabs.He is now devoting 100% of his time to trying to make the olympic team. He just turned 18 so it is a little bit of a long shot
Yeah - USA Boxing didn't bother to mention the change in date for the US Championships until many LBCs already had their Districts planned.and the LBC tourney on December 8 & 9 (a mere 7 months before the nationals - LOL). I'm sure you know the reason for the huge gap between the LBC and nationals.
Nope - never made it to Brownsville. From what I heard, it was just as well.Did you see Jordan box at either of the National Junior Olympics held in Brownsville?
Nope - don't do Golden Gloves.Were you at the 2006 National Golden Gloves?
I'll be watching to see what and how he does next year. Hope to meet you both somewhere along the way.
Mel,
I knew you would be on top of the LBC tourney situation. Some people do not realize that tournament directors have to secure facilities, place ads and spend a lot of money many months in advance and can't just make a last minute change. BTW, I am not one of those tournament directors, but I definitely empathize with them because of their plight.
I enjoyed Brownsville, more so the first year than the second, but I had a great time both years. There was a lot to do in the area or you could go into Mexico or go to South Padre Island. Plus, the weather was HOT (a pleasant departure from the frigid tundra). I live in Michigan, but what can the spectators or boxers do in Marquette? If we could have a tournament in Brownsville in January or February, that would be great!
I look forward to meeting you in person. I have long been a fan of your website and used to rely on it exclusively for my info as it used to be the only game in town. Now there are sites like this one which is great, but I still visit your site often.
I knew you would be on top of the LBC tourney situation. Some people do not realize that tournament directors have to secure facilities, place ads and spend a lot of money many months in advance and can't just make a last minute change. BTW, I am not one of those tournament directors, but I definitely empathize with them because of their plight.
I enjoyed Brownsville, more so the first year than the second, but I had a great time both years. There was a lot to do in the area or you could go into Mexico or go to South Padre Island. Plus, the weather was HOT (a pleasant departure from the frigid tundra). I live in Michigan, but what can the spectators or boxers do in Marquette? If we could have a tournament in Brownsville in January or February, that would be great!
I look forward to meeting you in person. I have long been a fan of your website and used to rely on it exclusively for my info as it used to be the only game in town. Now there are sites like this one which is great, but I still visit your site often.
Dennis - I am one of the few people who actually like Marquette. The boxers didn't complain as much this year, for a change - surprising since there wasn't enough money to do a picnic. I heard mostly negatives about Brownsville - too far out in the boonies, problems with transportation, housing and meals not good, blah, blah, blah.
Yep - I remember when I had the only amateur boxing web site but am glad to see there are more places to get info. I even use them. LOL!
Yep - I remember when I had the only amateur boxing web site but am glad to see there are more places to get info. I even use them. LOL!
Yes, Jordan did mention that a lot of the boxers complained about the "free" food in Brownsville. They had the choice to spend their per diem on alternative menu items. My son isn't too picky so he just ate what they provided. He did like the food at Marquette better when he was at the training camp.
The transportation in Brownsville was a slight problem in 2005. 2004 was better because everything was conducted right there on the University's campus.
Housing - as long as you don't mind cockroaches, the housing was fine in Brownsville. The boys had competitions to see who could kill the most cockroaches in one night. The lack of air conditioning in Marquette was more of a problem. It was one of the few times that Marquette was actually HOT and the rooms did not have A/C so some boxers complained. Jordan had fun in both places. He really enjoyed getting to know some of the other boxers and coaches. He had a good relationship and joked around a lot with Dan Campbell and Kenny "Eye of the Tiger" Porter.
The transportation in Brownsville was a slight problem in 2005. 2004 was better because everything was conducted right there on the University's campus.
Housing - as long as you don't mind cockroaches, the housing was fine in Brownsville. The boys had competitions to see who could kill the most cockroaches in one night. The lack of air conditioning in Marquette was more of a problem. It was one of the few times that Marquette was actually HOT and the rooms did not have A/C so some boxers complained. Jordan had fun in both places. He really enjoyed getting to know some of the other boxers and coaches. He had a good relationship and joked around a lot with Dan Campbell and Kenny "Eye of the Tiger" Porter.
The food at Marquette is darn near as good as the food at the Olympic Training Center! Lack of A/C is a definite minus, especially when it's 100 degrees and 98% humidity. I remember the year that we bought every fan Wal-Mart had in stock! And I am definitely not fond of the mosquitos (record number this year) or the black flies that bite. I will, however, take them over cockroaches. Ugh.
Dan Campbell has been a favorite of mine for many years. I don't know Ken that well - just recently got to know Shawn. Nice kid.
Dan Campbell has been a favorite of mine for many years. I don't know Ken that well - just recently got to know Shawn. Nice kid.
Yeah, Shawn is a great young man. I've known him for years as he boxes in our Region. Kenny is a good guy too. Knowledgeable and a good motivator. His singing needs some work - just kidding Kenny! I'm just jealous because I can't sing.
Mel, it was very ironic. Out of the blue, Jesse Briseno appeared at the gym last night ready and willing to spar Jordan. He gave Jordan 2 or 3 rounds and then Jordan went 3 rounds with another guy. It was great to see him and he gave Jordan some good advice about boxing, training and life in general. I also found out that he is taking college classes too.
Mel, it was very ironic. Out of the blue, Jesse Briseno appeared at the gym last night ready and willing to spar Jordan. He gave Jordan 2 or 3 rounds and then Jordan went 3 rounds with another guy. It was great to see him and he gave Jordan some good advice about boxing, training and life in general. I also found out that he is taking college classes too.
Dennis wrote:Mel,
No, Jordan did not compete in the PAL as he decided to play football again for the last time since it is his senior year of high school. He is now devoting 100% of his time to trying to make the olympic team. He just turned 18 so it is a little bit of a long shot, but he has already defeated many currently or formerly ranked boxers. We have a boxing show this Saturday and the LBC tourney on December 8 & 9 (a mere 7 months before the nationals - LOL). I'm sure you know the reason for the huge gap between the LBC and nationals. Hopefully, we will see you at the box-offs. I'm not sure if we will be at the Western Trials. I'm hoping he is already qualified by then.
Jesse just got married a few months ago and seems to be doing very well. He was coaching off and on at another local gym that recently closed so I'm trying to get him to come to our gym and coach.
Did you see Jordan box at either of the National Junior Olympics held in Brownsville? He won a bronze in 2004. He won his quarter-final match by RSC and then lost on a tie-breaker in the semi-finals to Oleksandr Mamoshuk (the gold medalist). Jordan then won the gold medal in 2005, he had a bye in the quarters, a win by RSCO in the semis and then defeated Bear Richardson 6-1 in the finals.
Were you at the 2006 National Golden Gloves? Jordan made it to the finals and lost to Eric Fields on a very close 3-2 split decision. Fields was the defending champion and he also won the Golden Boy award as the most outstanding boxer of the tournament. Fields had a mouse under each eye whereas Jordan's face was not marked. That was Fields last amateur bout and he is now 4-0 with 4 KO's as a pro.
Answering "The Watcher" (love that screen name):
Pat Wesson is doing fine. He occasionally comes to our gym and spars with Jordan and/or me. Pat is 7-0 (4 KO's) as a pro. Alex "Papito" Sepulveda is doing well from what I hear. He just had his pro debut on the undercard of the Mayweather-Baldomir show, which he won easily. Alex sparred with Jordan about 1 to 1.5 years ago. Jordan was just too big for him. Jordan and Alex used to spar when they were both younger and about the same size, but Alex is 4 years older than Jordan.
It would be nice if you could bring your super-heavy and 165 (such a nice kid) to spar at our gym. Maybe sometime in mid to late December. You know me, I will arrange for a number of good boxers to be there for a round robin affair. I might even get in there with Hunter for fun.
Williams (Jordan's opponent from October) has knocked all of his opponents out since boxing Jordan. I think he will be Michigan's super-heavy after the LBC tourney. I'm not sure if Skolnik will box at super-heavy in our LBC tourney, but that would be an exciting bout to watch if it happens. We will see you guys at the Regionals being held in Michigan in January. When is your LBC tourney?
Dennis: You mentioned a Regional in Michigan in January. Do you know the specific dates and location of that regional?