Jose Ribalta

[red rose]

what ribalta says about smith and bruno hitting harder than tyson is bullshit . bruno and tysons power was measured and tyson was found to hit harder than bruno .

it was the other way round mate, i remember at the time they measured a few fighters punches and bruno came out on top.
i seem to remember these scientists were comparing bruno`s right to getting hit by a car at 30mph or a great white shark bite or something stupid like that.
i think half of these scientists that do these surveys know as much about science as i do.
which isnt much....

thats just a rumour . this so called punching tournament never happened . I Dont know how many people have talkled about this punching tournament that bruno actually won and none of them have provided any sources . to be honest i think it wasa story that was made up by the british media just before the tyson fight to give bruno a psycological over tyson .the british media do this they hype and completely overrate their athletes . David beckham and tim henman come to mind. i have prove that tyson hits harder than bruno . their power was measured and tyson was found to hit harder . I can post you the websites if you want . isnt it funny that the only guys who say that tysons power is overrated is the bums he knocked out in the eighties . I have read interviews with tysons sparring partners and they all say tyson punched harder than anyone. His power and knock outs speak for itself . I think the reason why some opponents think bruno hit harder is because bruno probably had more mass behind his punches but tysons punchers were lightyears quicker and thus generated more force which equates to more power but tyson still hit harder . his power was explosive . brunos was more raw.

[overhand_right]

Lol. The sentence structure (not to mention non-existant use of capitals or punctuation) confirm my earlier suspicions that we adults are arguing with a child here! How embarrassing.

And funny how all the Tyson obsessives seem to write in the manner of children...

[red rose]

Lol. The sentence structure (not to mention non-existant use of capitals or punctuation) confirm my earlier suspicions that we adults are arguing with a child here! How embarrassing.

And funny how all the Tyson obsessives seem to write in the manner of children...

i am sorry but i type fast and i do not care for perfect grammer . It takes long enough to come with my points and then express them on paper without having to worry about minor details such as capitals and punctuation marks . I am recreational user on this site not a journalist. It seems to me that you cant come with an argument to challenge my views so then you resort to insults and put downs questioning my maturity and intellect and using that as a basis to dismiss what i am saying . Well that is a cop out . Whether i possess a low or high level of maturity or intellect is irrelevant . I made a statement that tyson hits harder than bruno and said i have the facts to back it up which i do. I also gave other facts that tysons opponents and tysons sparring partners have a very different opinon on his punching power. I mentioned that because the reason people believe that tysons power is overrated because all the bums he knocked out in the eighties say so . Its obvious to any fool that these guys have an agenda with tyson they were brutally knocked out and dispatched with ease by tyson . Tyson was seriously hyped up in the eighties and these guys wanted to deflate his hype . I have never heard any of those bums give credit to tyson and acknowledge that they were beaten by a better fighter . If you read their interviews on fighting tyson . They all have some excuse why they lost. There is a word for this kind of behaviour and it is called begrudery . I also gave a reason why ribalta believes that big punchers like bruno and smith hit harder than tyson . i suggest you read it. If you choose to respond to this please come with actual argument instead of dimissing my argument because of my bad grammer. You should never judge a book by its cover.

[JC]

but tysons punchers were lightyears quicker and thus generated more force which equates to more power but tyson still hit harder . his power was explosive . brunos was more raw.

This is just plain wrong puching power comes from leverage, if you want to talk about forces it is more torque than anything else. If speed equalled power then Chris Byrd would harder than Foreman or Liston.

Speed can get you the KO which is exactly what it did for Tyson. What's your obsession with Tysons power anyway? Tyson had excellent power but there was a lot more to his game than that, unlike Bruno who was all power and probably did hit harder than Tyson but was not as good.

[enrique]

Well let's see, Red Rose states in one of his postings that "what ribalta says about smith and bruno hitting harder than tyson is bullshit . bruno and tysons power was measured and tyson was found to hit harder than bruno" but in another posting he states "this so called punching tournament never happened."

Ribalta fought Tyson. But his insight is labelled by Red Rose as being a "lying turd" and of course any fighters that do not agree with his point of view are "bums."

I'd say Red Rose is emminently qualified to become a vicepresident in charge of boxing at a mayor network.

[cubedrum]

Well let's see, Red Rose states in one of his postings that "what ribalta says about smith and bruno hitting harder than tyson is bullshit . bruno and tysons power was measured and tyson was found to hit harder than bruno" but in another posting he states "this so called punching tournament never happened."

Ribalta fought Tyson. But his insight is labelled by Red Rose as being a "lying turd" and of course any fighters that do not agree with his point of view are "bums."

I'd say Red Rose is emminently qualified to become a vicepresident in charge of boxing at a mayor network.

[overhand_right]

There is a word for this kind of behaviour and it is called begrudery . .

Careful Enrique, sounds like you & Ribalta have a bad case of the 'begrudery'...

[RazorKO]

Shot for shot Cooney, Ruddock, Shavers and Foreman probably have more raw power than Tyson, but Tyson was by far the greater and more skilled puncher where his speed devastated many opponents.

Ribilita wasnt the first to say someone hit him harder than Tyson, Holmes said Shavers hit him harder than Tyson and Pinklon Thomas also said Weaver him him harder than anyone else.

[red rose]

but tysons punchers were lightyears quicker and thus generated more force which equates to more power but tyson still hit harder . his power was explosive . brunos was more raw.

This is just plain wrong puching power comes from leverage, if you want to talk about forces it is more torque than anything else. If speed equalled power then Chris Byrd would harder than Foreman or Liston.

Speed can get you the KO which is exactly what it did for Tyson. What's your obsession with Tysons power anyway? Tyson had excellent power but there was a lot more to his game than that, unlike Bruno who was all power and probably did hit harder than Tyson but was not as good.

Speed does equal power . In physics the formula for power is speed muliplied by mass

[KOJOE90]

Speed does equal power . In physics the formula for power is speed muliplied by mass

Actually its FORCE = MASS multiplied by ACCELERATION..

POWER is WORK DONE divided by TIME TAKEN.

[red rose]

Speed does equal power . In physics the formula for power is speed muliplied by mass

Actually its FORCE = MASS multiplied by ACCELERATION..

POWER is WORK DONE divided by TIME TAKEN.

exactly work done is the mass of the punch and energy created . time taken is the speed . therefore power= speed*mass.

[KOJOE90]

Speed does equal power . In physics the formula for power is speed muliplied by mass

Actually its FORCE = MASS multiplied by ACCELERATION..

POWER is WORK DONE divided by TIME TAKEN.

exactly work done is the mass of the punch and energy created . time taken is the speed . therefore power= speed*mass.

Sorry but MASS is FORCE divided by ACCELERATION.

Also your statement 'energy created' makes no sence as you cannot create anergy that is the fundemental law of Thermodynamics energy can only change form it cannot be created.

With respect you need to read up on the laws of Thermodynamics.

[red rose]

Actually its FORCE = MASS multiplied by ACCELERATION..

POWER is WORK DONE divided by TIME TAKEN.

exactly work done is the mass of the punch and energy created . time taken is the speed . therefore power= speed*mass.

Sorry but MASS is FORCE divided by ACCELERATION.

Also your statement 'energy created' makes no sence as you cannot create anergy that is the fundemental law of Thermodynamics energy can only change form it cannot be created.

With respect you need to read up on the laws of Thermodynamics.

you dont need to know thermodynamics to realise that if a truck and a car crash in to a building at a speed of 20 mph and 100 mph . The faster car will exert more force and do more damage to the building than the much slower but heavier truck . Do you see the point i am making here . You could use the same principle in comparing tysons power to foremans power?

[JC]

exactly work done is the mass of the punch and energy created . time taken is the speed . therefore power= speed*mass.

Sorry but MASS is FORCE divided by ACCELERATION.

Also your statement 'energy created' makes no sence as you cannot create anergy that is the fundemental law of Thermodynamics energy can only change form it cannot be created.

With respect you need to read up on the laws of Thermodynamics.

you dont need to know thermodynamics to realise that if a truck and a car crash in to a building at a speed of 20 mph and 100 mph . The faster car will exert more force and do more damage to the building than the much slower but heavier truck . Do you see the point i am making here . You could use the same principle in comparing tysons power to foremans power?

Erm no your point is still not clear.

You seem to be saying that the faster the fist is traveling the more power a punch will have, if so then as I said earlier you are wrong. Ali's jab traveled far faster than Liston but Sonny's was a lot harder.

Punching power is all about getting your weight being the punch efectively. That's why you have to pivot on your toes and twist into the punch with your hips. That's the best way I can describe it, someone with a better grasp of physics can probably give you a more scientific explanation.

[Flump]

Shot for shot Cooney, Ruddock, Shavers and Foreman probably have more raw power than Tyson, but Tyson was by far the greater and more skilled puncher where his speed devastated many opponents.

Ribilita wasnt the first to say someone hit him harder than Tyson, Holmes said Shavers hit him harder than Tyson and Pinklon Thomas also said Weaver him him harder than anyone else.

You do find in a lot of cases though that a fighter is more likely to give credit to a guy he's beaten, rather than one who left him flat on his back, it must be an ego thing.

In fairness though Ribalta was contesting the stoppage when Tyson beat him, there was certainly no argument when Bruno walloped him.

[KOJOE90]

exactly work done is the mass of the punch and energy created . time taken is the speed . therefore power= speed*mass.

Sorry but MASS is FORCE divided by ACCELERATION.

Also your statement 'energy created' makes no sence as you cannot create anergy that is the fundemental law of Thermodynamics energy can only change form it cannot be created.

With respect you need to read up on the laws of Thermodynamics.

you dont need to know thermodynamics to realise that if a truck and a car crash in to a building at a speed of 20 mph and 100 mph . The faster car will exert more force and do more damage to the building than the much slower but heavier truck . Do you see the point i am making here . You could use the same principle in comparing tysons power to foremans power?

I see what you are saying but with respect you are wrong and your argument is deeply flawed.

If your are talking about Force or Power etc then you do need to know about Thermodynamics as it's all about the movement of energy.

It's a very complex issue and you are over simplyfing it. I studied Thermodynamics at university for years and it's a nighmare, trust me. The whole subject of mechanical power or force, speed, work, pressure, friction, kenetic and potential energy, velocity is a very complex matter.

If there is anyone alse here, who like myself has a degree in Mechanical Engineering I am sure they will back me up on this matter. I am NOT saying this to sound like a smart arse, but only to show I have an academic background in this subject.

[BoxBuzz]

So does this mean that two fighters with the same speed and muscle potential could hit at vastly different "power" levels? By simply applying some of these principles? So the physics proffersor can always KO the Iron Worker?

[KOJOE90]

So does this mean that two fighters with the same speed and muscle potential could hit at vastly different "power" levels? By simply applying some of these principles? So the physics proffersor can always KO the Iron Worker?

Only if 'The Force' is with them.

[enrique]

Laws of physics can be explained thus:

A few years ago I was with former lightweight contender Frankie Otero at Angelo Dundee's training facility to see a newcomer from Cuba do a tryout. The prospect came with his trainer a former Cuban amateur coach.

Angelo- who speaks understadably broken Spanish- said to the prospect -I'm going to have you spar thee rounds with one of my boys. Mix your punches and show me your stuff. It's a sparring session. Have fun and let me see some left hooks."

At this moment the Cuban trainer, reasserting his postion started a lecture on a mathematical formula of mass, speed and proyection of punch, talking non stop for about a minute and a half.

There was a pause. Angelo looked at the physics lecturer and then looked at the fighter.

"So," he said, "can you throw a left hook?"

Nuff said.

[JC]

Angelo ever mention anything about cars or trucks?

[kick asner]

Sorry but MASS is FORCE divided by ACCELERATION.

Also your statement 'energy created' makes no sence as you cannot create anergy that is the fundemental law of Thermodynamics energy can only change form it cannot be created.

With respect you need to read up on the laws of Thermodynamics.

you dont need to know thermodynamics to realise that if a truck and a car crash in to a building at a speed of 20 mph and 100 mph . The faster car will exert more force and do more damage to the building than the much slower but heavier truck . Do you see the point i am making here . You could use the same principle in comparing tysons power to foremans power?

I see what you are saying but with respect you are wrong and your argument is deeply flawed.

If your are talking about Force or Power etc then you do need to know about Thermodynamics as it's all about the movement of energy.

It's a very complex issue and you are over simplyfing it. I studied Thermodynamics at university for years and it's a nighmare, trust me. The whole subject of mechanical power or force, speed, work, pressure, friction, kenetic and potential energy, velocity is a very complex matter.

If there is anyone alse here, who like myself has a degree in Mechanical Engineering I am sure they will back me up on this matter. I am NOT saying this to sound like a smart arse, but only to show I have an academic background in this subject.

Any such insight on the subject is welcome as far as I am concerned. Informative and amusing at the same time. I thought the last thread on this subject was fairly entertaining also, you probably remember it well, the one where the guy was comparing being hit to ringing a bell and the loudness of each one and how the loudness was proof to him of the greater forced being exerted. His theory seemed flawed but I couldn't put it into words as why, so it's good to have technical people around who can.


But now here is a question I have. I have always wondered why they say that punchers are born and not made. Or at least some have said this. But if punching is a technique why couldn't it be developed?

[JC]

I think great punchers are born. The fact that there is technique involved obviously means that you can refine an individual's technique to a certain extent and turn an average puncher into a decent one but not a great one.

For example I don't know if you've seen any of Amir Khan's fights but in the Olympics he looked to pack a decent punch but has looked much less of a puncher since turning pro. This imo is because he's coming out very nervous and bounching round the ring a lot. If a trainer could force him to set his feet more his power would improve.

But all things being equal you could have two fighters of similar size and build trained by the same guy with the same technique and one would just plain hit harder than the other. It just seems to be something innate in some people.

What I find amazing is how punchers can come in all shapes and sizes from powerfully built squat types like Tyson and Tua to thin lanky guys like Foster and Hearns.

[overhand_right]

I never saw any sign of a big punch from Khan at the Olympics, and obviously not as a pro. He cant even ice these featherweights with 40 losses he's fighting. Needs the ref to jump in & conveniently end it as soon as they take a few on the ropes.

As for KO-Joe, i'm going to amputate a piece of his brain and shove it in my ear and see if it makes me more clever.

[JC]

I'm not saying he's a big puncher, just that if he set his feet his power would improve, maybe I should have used a different example as Khan seems to be a red button on this site.

[overhand_right]

Lol. Understood boss. But if Khan set his feet that dubious chin might be tested....