Dick Tiger
I think Dick Tiger is one of the greatest Middleweights off all time and would easily make my top 10.
He had an iron chin, good workrate, always in absolute top condition, great stamina and may well have been the physically strongest Middleweight ever. He is also an underated pubcher, he had a savage left hook to the body and head.
It was the clever 'cutie' type of fighters that gave him trouble though
He had an iron chin, good workrate, always in absolute top condition, great stamina and may well have been the physically strongest Middleweight ever. He is also an underated pubcher, he had a savage left hook to the body and head.
It was the clever 'cutie' type of fighters that gave him trouble though
He may well have cosidered himself from Biafra to be honest.livingstone cole wrote:I'd be carefull there. Have you not learnt anything from the whole Duddy debacle? He may very well be Nigerian but you should ask his relatives wether or not he prefered to be known as 'African' before you start besmirching his good name.wouter wrote:As a Nigerian fighter
I'm in agreement with you. I don't think any middleweight could have outslugged Tiger - I think a few could come close, if forced to, but sooner or later they'd be forced on the back foot.KOJOE90 wrote:I think Dick Tiger is one of the greatest Middleweights off all time and would easily make my top 10.
He had an iron chin, good workrate, always in absolute top condition, great stamina and may well have been the physically strongest Middleweight ever. He is also an underated pubcher, he had a savage left hook to the body and head.
It was the clever 'cutie' type of fighters that gave him trouble though
Tiger was a painful puncher, despite his deceivingly paltry knockout percentage. As you say, KOJOE, he had top stamina and durability. What was more surprising was his handspeed - Dick really was as quick as a Tiger! He looked like Mike Tyson in there at times with those sudden combinations to the head and body. He could slip a punch real good and counter with the right over his opponent's left, and although not usually regarded as a good boxer, he could jab with the best of them.
#6 on my head-to-head middleweight list.
1. Carlos Monzon
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Ray Robinson
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Marcel Cerdan
6. Dick Tiger
7. Roy Jones Jr
8. Charley Burley
9. Joey Giardello
10. Nino Benvenuti
Head-to-head, remember. I didn't like to rate Greb since I've only seen a very brief training clip of his. I have a hard time rating Giardello, Tiger, Benvenuti, Griffith, Fullmer and LaMotta really... I see them roughly equal in ability, but then there's Burley and Jones seperating them which doesn't seem right, but they were very good at 160 and I can't help it.
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Ray Robinson
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Marcel Cerdan
6. Dick Tiger
7. Roy Jones Jr
8. Charley Burley
9. Joey Giardello
10. Nino Benvenuti
Head-to-head, remember. I didn't like to rate Greb since I've only seen a very brief training clip of his. I have a hard time rating Giardello, Tiger, Benvenuti, Griffith, Fullmer and LaMotta really... I see them roughly equal in ability, but then there's Burley and Jones seperating them which doesn't seem right, but they were very good at 160 and I can't help it.
Looks a good list, Cerdan is higher than I would have him but as you say head to head is quite subjective as at the level we're talking about a series of fights between two fighters could finish with them winning a couple a piece.
I assume you don't mention Lloyd Marshall for the same reason as Greb?
I assume you don't mention Lloyd Marshall for the same reason as Greb?
I've actually seen Marshall on film against Ezzard Charles, but not at middleweight. You'll be pleased to know I do rate him highly. Unfortunately, Holman Williams & Eddie Booker aren't rated alongside purely for the same reasons as Greb, although I'm positive they were on the same level. I just like to see a boxer in action before I rate him.J-C wrote:Looks a good list, Cerdan is higher than I would have him but as you say head to head is quite subjective as at the level we're talking about a series of fights between two fighters could finish with them winning a couple a piece.
I assume you don't mention Lloyd Marshall for the same reason as Greb?
Surprised there's no mention of valdez on your list as i know you're a fan.DoubleM wrote:1. Carlos Monzon
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Ray Robinson
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Marcel Cerdan
6. Dick Tiger
7. Roy Jones Jr
8. Charley Burley
9. Joey Giardello
10. Nino Benvenuti
Head-to-head, remember. I didn't like to rate Greb since I've only seen a very brief training clip of his. I have a hard time rating Giardello, Tiger, Benvenuti, Griffith, Fullmer and LaMotta really... I see them roughly equal in ability, but then there's Burley and Jones seperating them which doesn't seem right, but they were very good at 160 and I can't help it.
I think Tiger would have out worked Hopkins and Griffith out boxed him. I like Hopkins. He's a real great but I think he's very high on your head to head list.