USA Roster for Ukraine Dual

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 23 Nov 2006, 13:54

Here is the team roster for the USA vs. Ukraine dual in Harvey Illinois on Decemember 2, with the festivities to start at 6PM, the dinner at 7PM, and then 11 bouts begininng at 8PM.

106 lbs: Roberto Ceron, Georgia
112 lbs: Oscar Venegas, Maywood, CA
119 lbs: David Clark, San Diego/NMU
125 lbs: Johnny Nevarez, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
132 lbs: Luis Ramos, Santa Ana, CA
141 lbs: Hector Ramos, San Antonio, TX
152 lbs: Keith Thurman, Tampa, FL
165 lbs: Shawn Porter, Cayahoga Falls, OH
178 lbs: Alfonso Lopez, Huntsville, TX
201 lbs: David Carey, Anchorage, Alaska
201+ lbs: Lucas Runion, College Park, MD.

Ceron has a lot of experience but never quite makes it to the top; Venegas is tough but not smooth - he can hit; Clark has much experience, too, and has decent power - he's another one who never quite makes it; Luis Ramos has good skills and can bang with the best - it will be interesting to see how he does; Hector Ramos has lots of experience; Thurman and Porter are my choice for winners; have no idea why David Carey is on this team - he can't box.

Just my opinions, of course.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 23 Nov 2006, 22:42

This team is comprised exclusively of members of USA Boxing's elite team, i.e. boxers who made it to the semi-finals of the 2006 US Championships. That does not mean that they are the most deserving boxers or even one of the top 4 boxers by the end of the year. The athletes on this team are for the most part deserving. You don't like Carey's style, but remember he did defeat Willett just over one year ago. I am going to try to get to this show to watch these guys, plus cheer on my buddies Shawn and his coach/dad Ken Porter.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 23 Nov 2006, 23:25

And Willett beat Carey, 17-13, at this year's championships in a less-than-stellar bout. And I didn't say they weren't deserving.

And everyone in the top 4 is considered "elite."

Should be an excellent show and I hope you can make it.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 24 Nov 2006, 00:02

Mel - Will you be at the show? If so, I will introduce myself.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Nov 2006, 00:19

I computer teched at that show some years ago but it wasn't my turn for an assignment for the December dual.

I'll bet we meet up some where next year, though. As I said previously, I am already assigned to the Western Trials and Box-offs.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 27 Nov 2006, 09:27

Does anyone know the roster for the Ukrainian team? I am wondering if they are bringing their best team or are they bringing a less experienced team trying to get them some needed experience.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 27 Nov 2006, 20:29

The delegation from Ukraine boasts a 2004 Olympian and silver medalist from the 2005 World Championships. Bantamweight Maksym Tretyak represented Ukraine in the 2004 Olympics in Athens, Greece while light heavyweight Ismayel Sillakh won a silver medal at the recent World Championships in Mianyang, China.

Team Ukraine Roster
106 lbs: Vitaliy Volkov
112 lbs: Georgy Chygaev
119 lbs: Maksym Tretyak
125 lbs: Dmytro Bulenkov
132 lbs: Oleksandr Klyuchko
141 lbs: Mykola Semenyaha
152 lbs: Oleksandr Strets’kyy
165 lbs: Oleksandr Usyk
178 lbs: Ismayl Sillakh
201 lbs: Denys Poyatskya
201+ lbs: Vyacheslav Glazkov

Blackeye 84 · Post by **Blackeye 84** » 28 Nov 2006, 01:13

I saw Sillakh box at the Tammer Tournament in Finland. He is pretty slick. Ukraine is not as tough as many of the other East European Teams.
Should be good competition though. Get a look at that East European Olympic Style Boxing.

emile · Post by **emile** » 28 Nov 2006, 02:00

I'd guess the US will fare a little better at the lower weights, as they seem to be a bit stronger there and Ukraine seems to me to be a bit better at the middle to heavier weights (although Tretyak is at 119). Based on the PAL tournament, Keith Thurman is probably in the best form right now - haven't heard of the Ukrainian at that weight but I'm sure he'll be decent. It will be interesting to see how the judging goes here at home.

The biggest mismatch should be at 201. Weak division for the US and IIRC, Carey in particular has had some bad reviews. Meanwhile, Poyatsika stopped the Russian champion Roman Romanchuk at the European Championships in July. (here is video of their fight - he needs refining, but he's very active for a big man) I'd think that it would be a good result for Carey if he can just finish four rounds and get some experience.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 28 Nov 2006, 09:51

It will be interesting to see how the judging goes here at home.

Computer scoring will be used by three judges. Traditionally, if the U.S. is refereeing, two of the judges will be from the Ukraine and one from the U.S. and vice versa. Nice thing about the computer is that you can see what the judges are doing and any judge glued to the button of his country's corner can be "counseled."

Friend of mine is one of the U.S. AIBA officials for this Dual so I'll get a first-hand report to pass on.

mike222 · Post by **mike222** » 28 Nov 2006, 10:06

Based on the rosters above the USA will be lucky to win a bout,Ukraine look way too strong.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 28 Nov 2006, 13:46

boxmel wrote:The delegation from Ukraine boasts a 2004 Olympian and silver medalist from the 2005 World Championships. Bantamweight Maksym Tretyak represented Ukraine in the 2004 Olympics in Athens, Greece while light heavyweight Ismayel Sillakh won a silver medal at the recent World Championships in Mianyang, China.

Team Ukraine Roster
106 lbs: Vitaliy Volkov
112 lbs: Georgy Chygaev
119 lbs: Maksym Tretyak
125 lbs: Dmytro Bulenkov
132 lbs: Oleksandr Klyuchko
141 lbs: Mykola Semenyaha
152 lbs: Oleksandr Strets’kyy
165 lbs: Oleksandr Usyk
178 lbs: Ismayl Sillakh
201 lbs: Denys Poyatskya
201+ lbs: Vyacheslav Glazkov

The 119 is ranked #11 in the November 2006 European rankings, 132 is ranked #5, 141 is ranked #9, 152 is ranked #6, 165 is ranked #4, 178 is ranked #1, 201 is ranked #4 and is the European Champion, and the 201+ is ranked #15. The 106 and 112 are not currently ranked in the top 20 in Europe.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 28 Nov 2006, 13:48

boxmel wrote:
It will be interesting to see how the judging goes here at home.
Computer scoring will be used by three judges. Traditionally, if the U.S. is refereeing, two of the judges will be from the Ukraine and one from the U.S. and vice versa. Nice thing about the computer is that you can see what the judges are doing and any judge glued to the button of his country's corner can be "counseled." Friend of mine is one of the U.S. AIBA officials for this Dual so I'll get a first-hand report to pass on.

Thanks for the info on how the refs and judges are selected. Please pass along the first-hand report. I will also pass along my personal (totally unbiased of course) opinion on the bouts, the show, the scoring and anything else I feel like commenting about. LOL.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 28 Nov 2006, 16:49

mike222 wrote:Based on the rosters above the USA will be lucky to win a bout,Ukraine look way too strong.

I think the USA may surprise you. This is not our strongest possible team, while the Ukranians look to be sending about the best team they can field.

106 - Ceron could win and I will pick him to win. Team USA
112 - Oscar has chance because the Ukranian boxer isn't currently ranked, but he could be a strong replacement. I'll go with Ukraine on this one. Warren would win this bout if he was on this USA team. TEam Ukraine.
119 - Clark is going to be fighting a huge uphill battle. Team Ukraine.
125 - Johnny Ray Narvaez. I've never seen him box so it is hard to comment, but his Ukranian opponent is not ranked in the top 20 of the current European rankings. Narvaez did defeat Sarnoi and Bennett this year and lost a close bout to Davis, but he was shutout 15-0 by Rico Ramos at the PAL which was more recent. Doesn't sound good for USA. Team Ukraine.
132 - Luis Ramos is going up against a top European so his chances are not great. Team Ukraine.
141 - Hector Ramos is facing a ranked boxer and he didn't do that well at the PAL. I think it will be tough for him to win. Dargan would win, but I don't think Ramos will. Team Ukraine.
152 - Thurman. Finally another boxer I think can and will win. Team USA.
165 - Porter. Very strong, hits hard and can box, but has a tough opponent. I think Porter will win. Team USA
178 - Lopez. He is not going to win. Team Ukraine.
201 - Carey. Maybe his height will give the European Champion trouble but I doubt it. Carey may need to be lucky just to avoid being stopped. Team Ukraine.
201+ - Definitely not our best super-heavy, but he isn't going up against a top European super-heavy either. Their average super-heavy is better than our average one. Team Ukraine.

I am hopeful that Team USA wins 3 of the 11 bouts. We could get shutout, but we could also win 5 or 6.

inc969806 · Post by **inc969806** » 28 Nov 2006, 19:08

Off subject question for Dennis: On another topic you mentioned a Regional in January in Michigan. Do you know the specific dates and location of that regional? Thanks in advance.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 28 Nov 2006, 23:29

inc969806 wrote:Off subject question for Dennis: On another topic you mentioned a Regional in January in Michigan. Do you know the specific dates and location of that regional? Thanks in advance.

Not yet, but as soon as I do, I will post it. The reason I said it would be in Michigan is our LBC's tourament entry form indicated that the Michigan Association is hosting the Region 5 championships in January with dates & location TBD.

mike222 · Post by **mike222** » 29 Nov 2006, 06:36

The best chances for the USA are at 106/125/141,the rest of the ukrainians are ranked in the top 15 in the world and have loads of international experience.Warren,Russell and Andrade are the only world ranked americans.

inc969806 · Post by **inc969806** » 29 Nov 2006, 07:14

Thanks for the information on the regional Dennis.
Mike, do you know if any of Team USA could gain points towards the world amateur rankings if they could beat a ranked Ukranian in the dual? Or, do points only come from tournaments?

mike222 · Post by **mike222** » 29 Nov 2006, 09:13

As far as I know the only world rankings are mine as on aba boxing,however good results for the USA here will earn them kudos

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 29 Nov 2006, 10:06

mike222 wrote:As far as I know the only world rankings are mine as on aba boxing,however good results for the USA here will earn them kudos

I only see Men's European rankings on the ABA Boxing website. Are there Men's World Amateur Rankings?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 29 Nov 2006, 10:24

emile - thanks for the site info on the video of the Romanchuk v. Poyatsika video. I wish it would have had the whole bout instead of an edited version, but that might have been necessary due to file size or something.

Those two boxers did not impress me as being that much better than some American boxers I have seen. The one thing I noticed though was they were both in great shape and had a very high punch count per round. CONDITIONING is so important. The international experience and more training camps to remind some of our boxers how hard they need to train is very important. I think USA Boxing should conduct more training camps throughout the year and not just before an international tournament. I would like to see boxers going to them weeks if not months before international competition. That way the boxers can practice what they learn and get in better shape before they box.

mike222 · Post by **mike222** » 29 Nov 2006, 11:10

Dennis,if you go into the forum you will see my view on the best of the best.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 29 Nov 2006, 12:19

mike222 wrote:Dennis,if you go into the forum you will see my view on the best of the best.

I looked at the rankings. It would be great if you could put all of them together in one spot like the European rankings or in a sticky. It would also be helpful if you could put their country after their names. It might be a lot of work, but it would make your rankings much better and more user friendly. Thanks for the link and I will be using that forum too.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 29 Nov 2006, 12:23

emile,
You posted the info for the 201# bout. Do you know of any other amateur bouts available on the web? I am more interested in the bigger weight classes because those are the guys that I'm training or assisting. I would like 152# on up to the 201+ class. I'm interested in top international bouts such as duals, European Championships, Asian Championships and World Championships. The more recent the better.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 29 Nov 2006, 12:44

Dennis wrote:
inc969806 wrote:Off subject question for Dennis: On another topic you mentioned a Regional in January in Michigan. Do you know the specific dates and location of that regional? Thanks in advance.
Not yet, but as soon as I do, I will post it. The reason I said it would be in Michigan is our LBC's tourament entry form indicated that the Michigan Association is hosting the Region 5 championships in January with dates & location TBD.

I also posted this in another thread, but I am also posting it here because I was asked about it in both threads.

The Michigan LBC tourney entry forms were incorrect. They re-used last years forms (listing Michigan as the host for the Region 5 tourney) because of not getting the new documents from USA Boxing. They didn't get the forms due to the changes in the dates for the U.S. Championships which are now supposed to be sometime in June 2007 with the exact dates and location TBD.

Michigan is NOT hosting the Region 5 tourney. Ohio WILL BE hosting it, but the dates and location are still not cast in stone (are they ever?). As of now, it looks like Zanesville, OH on February 16, 17 & 18, but it will be somewhere in Ohio for sure.

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