we call hatton fat but...

black panther · Post by **black panther** » 01 Dec 2006, 07:18

What talking about hatton a big issue is the weight he puts on between fights. But miguel cotto who fights for the vacant WBA welterweight title today apparently came into his camp at 177lbs...thats not much heavier than hatton during his peak fatness is it?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 01 Dec 2006, 07:19

I think Hatton walks around at 12-13 stone at his biggest. 13 stone is 176 so yes, Cotto is about the same or heavier.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 01 Dec 2006, 07:28

In fairness Cotto is a bigger guy who cuts down to a lower weight. Hatton is a little guy who porks up between fights. You never see Cotto with 3 chins!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 01 Dec 2006, 07:32

I wouldn't call Hatton a little guy, he looked a lot bigger than Kostya Tszyu when they fought. He may be short, but Hatton is very muscular and powerfully built.

Cotto has a different facial bone structure as well.

Cotto I think is a bigger guy, but not by that much. The fact he looks so gaunt at weigh ins, is probably because he doesn't have a top flight nutritionist like Kerry in his team, or a 3 month training camp.

Nels · Post by **Nels** » 01 Dec 2006, 07:47

Not trying to be narky James, but isn't thirteen stone 182 lbs (14 x 13)?

So Hatton is still heavier than Cotto. Christ, this is just like the "Boxrec posters Tale of the tape" thread, isn't it?

Sorry, I'll get me anorak...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 01 Dec 2006, 07:52

hang on, that means I've got my weight wrong on tale of the tape. I'm 13 stone 12 at the moment which is 194.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Dec 2006, 09:05

Terence wrote:I hear that the difference is that Hattonlikes a beer and his greasy food but Cotto just likes the beer. I've heard three rumours from people who have trained with Cotto. The first being that he drinks himself daft and is a fully functioning alcoholic who does no training whatsoever until his camp comes together. The second, and more likely, being that he is an alkie but can knock it on its head for a fight yet comes in very heavy and full of beer plus has a shorter training camp. The third that he is a complete and utter piss-pot and he crashed his car that time not because he was asleep at the wheel but because he was pished as a fart and could barely stand or string a sentence together.

Well if Cotto is an Alkie you could say the same thing about Ricky... but Ricky is a natural light-welter while Cotto should probably be fighting at 154 or 147 at least... either way both men will be shortening their careers with their behaviour......... being a boxer and drinking heavily is a bad idea as the alcohol adds to the long term damage which boxing causes...

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 01 Dec 2006, 10:33

Well I am in no position to talk I have been trying to cut out booze for a few weeks as part of my training but I just cant do it. I need at least a big night out on the sauce a week which most weekends becomes a 48 hour+ bender.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Dec 2006, 10:41

I used to drink quite a bit and then had to stop altogether and found it very difficult especially in social situations where almost everyone else would be drinking/pissed etc... a few years down the line though I feel much better for it and while I still like the odd glass of wine now and then I dont miss the ten pints of cider a night stuff and I've lost the beer belly too!...

8)

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Dec 2006, 10:53

What worries me about people like Hatton and Cotto is that when they quit fighting how will they control their drinking then... if theyre drinking heavily now between fights then they could be in trouble when the fightings over and they basically havent got anything to do... drinking a lot can be fun for a while but when it starts taking you over it can ruin you pretty quickly... I read recently that Lester Ellis is in a bad way these days with a serious drink problem...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 01 Dec 2006, 11:01

Add to that the depression that many elite athletes encounter when their career ends, and the fact that most people's serious drink problems begin in their 30's, and it's not hard to imagine Hatton (merely as an example) ending up with a bit of a drink problem.

Boxing is replete with piss heads and people with substance abuse problems, more so than other sports? Not sure about that, but I think that the rigour and routine of boxing training suits people who probably need some sort of regimen to keep their life on track. Maybe this is true of all sports, I guess it attracts a certain kind of person, I think to be top flight in any field, you have to be single minded to the point of obsession to go through with the agony and boredom of training camp. At least for a footballer they get to play week in week out, whereas for most top flight fighters, the fights are usually a way off in the distance, and there is so much time on their hands.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 01 Dec 2006, 11:04

Wilfredo Gomez is another who battled deamons in his retirement.

Thankfully he would appear to have beaten them now, but it was hairy for quite a few years..

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Dec 2006, 12:45

Yeh Gomez is suffering some problems from his career and possibly the abuse of drugs and alcohol but seems to be happy and content with his life now and has a good family around him...

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 01 Dec 2006, 13:12

Burning down from 177 pounds in crazy, Cotto and Hatton are both doing their bodies serious harm.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 01 Dec 2006, 13:19

Interesting if Cotto wasn't a beer guzzler he'd be making 140 without a problem. He looks porky for a 140-147lb fighter.

Look at Hopkins, doesn't go near alcohol and trains and eats well year round. Thats why he made 160 into his 40s after starting at 175 and in terms of height/muscle/reach was very big at 160. And before you start talking about styles Hopkins started off as a pressure like Hatton.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 01 Dec 2006, 14:19

I never get hangovers. Thank god! No beer belly either, live and train like a saint during the week, get ruined on the weekends...

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 01 Dec 2006, 15:00

You are doing your career irreparable harm nickd, stop now or your longevity as a fighter will be diminished

On the plus side you could challenge for a WBU belt.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 01 Dec 2006, 17:07

Did anyone see Hatton on question of sport dressed as an astronaut?

Khan struggled to answer who won the WBC light welterweight title against Corley!