Julio Caesar Chavez vs Roberto Duran

El Flaco Maqnifico · Post by **El Flaco Maqnifico** » 06 Dec 2006, 00:03

Who do you think would win and why?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 06 Dec 2006, 00:07

El Flaco Maqnifico wrote:Who do you think would win and why?

I only know that at most one of these will leave the ring alive.

El Flaco Maqnifico · Post by **El Flaco Maqnifico** » 06 Dec 2006, 00:29

pundit wrote:
El Flaco Maqnifico wrote:Who do you think would win and why?
I only know that at most one of these will leave the ring alive.

I thought what you said was funny. The idea behind the question was to have everyone who views this topic think, and draw the fans interest with dream matchups.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 06 Dec 2006, 05:47

It goes the distance. They may lock horns and pound away at one another's internal organs for 15 rounds. It is possible though that duran boxes Chavez. I think either way Duran has the edge in everything. He has more power. He is faster. He is more skillful and more adpatable. I love Chavez but I think he would lsoe a very competitive fight.

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 06 Dec 2006, 07:31

Ezzard wrote:It goes the distance. They may lock horns and pound away at one another's internal organs for 15 rounds. It is possible though that duran boxes Chavez. I think either way Duran has the edge in everything. He has more power. He is faster. He is more skillful and more adpatable. I love Chavez but I think he would lsoe a very competitive fight.

That about sums it up. Everything Chavez had, Duran had it and then some more. Duran was half a level above Chavez

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 06 Dec 2006, 07:59

Duran

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 06 Dec 2006, 11:35

I think it's a toss up. Duran has quicker hands, better defense. Chavez has the better chin, and a little more heart, though I'm not implying anything about Duran's in that sense.Bodypunching,pretty close, but I think Julio made better use of it throughout his career, so I give him a slight advantage. Power, they're about even. To win a decision, Duran would have to concentrate on outboxing Chavez, which he could do. If they go to war toe to toe, I have to go with Chavez by close decision, because (I know I'll offend a few people) I think he's just a little tougher.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 06 Dec 2006, 11:41

Seamus wrote:I think it's a toss up. Duran has quicker hands, better defense. Chavez has the better chin, and a little more heart, though I'm not implying anything about Duran's in that sense.Bodypunching,pretty close, but I think Julio made better use of it throughout his career, so I give him a slight advantage. Power, they're about even. To win a decision, Duran would have to concentrate on outboxing Chavez, which he could do. If they go to war toe to toe, I have to go with Chavez by close decision, because (I know I'll offend a few people) I think he's just a little tougher.

IMO, what sets Duran apart is that his defence, when in a toe-to-toe war, was probably the best I've ever seen.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 06 Dec 2006, 11:53

Ezzard

But in a toe to toe war, Chavez would pound the rib cage, where ones ability to slip punches becomes a non issue. Duran's ability to slip punches on the inside was outstanding, but at the same time he had a pretty good chin, because even in his prime (you could say the same for just about any fighter in history) he occasionally got tagged. On the inside, I still like Benitez's defense better.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 06 Dec 2006, 11:57

Seamus wrote:Ezzard

But in a toe to toe war, Chavez would pound the rib cage, where ones ability to slip punches becomes a non issue. Duran's ability to slip punches on the inside was outstanding, but at the same time he had a pretty good chin, because even in his prime (you could say the same for just about any fighter in history) he occasionally got tagged. On the inside, I still like Benitez's defense better.

Duran would be pounding the body as well remember.

Roberto was a savage bodypuncher, but it tends to get overlooked because of his other skills.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 06 Dec 2006, 12:27

To be successful in this strategy Chavez has to mix it up otherwise his attack will be too predictable.

I don't remember Chavez touching down, even for a flash knockdown, at 135 or under. So I don't think he's going to go down. I don't think Duran will either, but it is possible.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 06 Dec 2006, 12:28

I'd still give Chavez the edge in a war in the trenches on the basis of his bout with Edwin Rosario who I'd say hit harder than anyone Duran ever faced at LW.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 06 Dec 2006, 12:42

Duran was far too quick and varied for Chavez.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 06 Dec 2006, 16:35

Duran convincingly on points.

Everything Chavez did, Duran did better.

Aftermath · Post by **Aftermath** » 06 Dec 2006, 18:47

I’ll pick Julio Cesar Chavez. In his prime, Chavez was more consistent and disciplined than Roberto Duran. Chavez walked through the best punches Edwin Rosario and Roger Mayweather could offer and systematically broke down volume punchers like Meldrick Taylor.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 06 Dec 2006, 18:55

Duran would clean up...brutal decision...Chavez absorbs the hands of stone and needs long recovery period...

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 06 Dec 2006, 19:00

Aftermath wrote:In his prime, Chavez was more consistent and disciplined than Roberto Duran.

Duran won 72 of his first 73 fights...that's pretty consistent, don't you think?

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 06 Dec 2006, 20:28

Sweet Scientist wrote:
Aftermath wrote:In his prime, Chavez was more consistent and disciplined than Roberto Duran.
Duran won 72 of his first 73 fights...that's pretty consistent, don't you think?

Including twice hammering the one man who had beaten him on points in a non-title 10 rounder. Anyone who thinks that is inconsistent needs to explain his definition of consistency...

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 06 Dec 2006, 20:42

I agree Duran was very consistent. Just not quite as consistent as Julio Cesar Chavez.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 06 Dec 2006, 21:23

Were Martinez, Castillo, Mayweather, Rosario etc, cabdrivers ? Duran had a few cabdrivers on his resume as well.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 06 Dec 2006, 21:39

Seamus wrote:I agree Duran was very consistent. Just not quite as consistent as Julio Cesar Chavez.

Chavez was very good. Just not quite as good as Roberto Duran.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 07 Dec 2006, 03:40

Seamus wrote:I think it's a toss up. Duran has quicker hands, better defense. Chavez has the better chin, and a little more heart, though I'm not implying anything about Duran's in that sense.Bodypunching,pretty close, but I think Julio made better use of it throughout his career, so I give him a slight advantage. Power, they're about even. To win a decision, Duran would have to concentrate on outboxing Chavez, which he could do. If they go to war toe to toe, I have to go with Chavez by close decision, because (I know I'll offend a few people) I think he's just a little tougher.

I can see that playing out, but it's just too difficult to say Chavez would beat Duran. Personally, i'd favor Duran in a very close competitive and highly entertaining bout. I don't think Duran would have outboxed Chavez (which he had the ability to do) because Duran would let his bravado get the best of him, making the fight more competitive than it should be. Call me crazy, but I would give Salvador Sanchez more of a chance against Duran than I would Chavez who only knew how to fight one way really, even if he was great at it.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 07 Dec 2006, 03:41

Collins2000 wrote:
Seamus wrote:I agree Duran was very consistent. Just not quite as consistent as Julio Cesar Chavez.
Chavez was GREAT. Just not quite as GREAT as Roberto Duran.

I don't know, the word good just didn't seem to fit.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 07 Dec 2006, 12:30

I agree with that scenario Vagamundo, and that's why I'd slightly favor Chavez. I think Duran would go to war with him, and as I said before, I think Julio was just a little tougher. And before anyone says I'm just biased against Duran, I'll remind them that's it's not like I said Hilmer Kenty or Joey Gamache could possibly beat a peak Duran, but I don't think it's the least bit outrageous to suggest that a guy who started his career at 88-0 could.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 07 Dec 2006, 13:58

Seamus wrote:I think it's a toss up. Duran has quicker hands, better defense. Chavez has the better chin, and a little more heart, though I'm not implying anything about Duran's in that sense.Bodypunching,pretty close, but I think Julio made better use of it throughout his career, so I give him a slight advantage. Power, they're about even. To win a decision, Duran would have to concentrate on outboxing Chavez, which he could do. If they go to war toe to toe, I have to go with Chavez by close decision, because (I know I'll offend a few people) I think he's just a little tougher.

No good just weighing up statistics. You need to look deeper - think about Duran's feinting. He tied many opponents in knots with that stuff. Carlos Palomino for example; a strong, tough bodypuncher. Duran feinted him silly, speared him with quick one-twos and uppercutted the life out of his body. Duran neutralized him on the inside, ducked most punches that got through and used the uppercuts brilliantly on the inside. The difference between Chavez and Duran is that Duran was more varied, faster, more relaxed, and that's why he'd win. His versatility and range of punching combined with that loose, relaxed style. I really don't think Duran would be discouraged by anything Chavez threw at him... He dealt with harder punchers throughout his career, in the days when he couldn't dodge blows as effectively (like against Barkley, who really worked Duran's body). It's not worth mentioning Duran's own strength, power and stamina because we know he possessed all three attributes in excess. Palomino was not Chavez, but he was infact bigger than Chavez, and Duran outclassed him - Palomino didn't realistically win one round. I could see a vaguely similar fight occuring (in regards to the pattern/strategies) between Duran and Chavez with a surprisingly one sided decision going Duran's way, about 11-4.

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