Current US Super Heavys

ctill · Post by **ctill** » 29 Oct 2006, 13:59

emile wrote:Well, sure its out of date, it hadn't been updated in 9 months. Kauffman is perhaps the farthest along as a pro right now, although I haven't heard anyone rave about him at all.

But you've got the first hand experience Clarence. So tell me, not counting yourself, who do you think is the toughest of the current amateur super heavies? Who is the most overrated? Who will be the best pro?

I havent faced all of them so i cant say whos the toughest. I think Eugene Hill and Eric Correa are the most overrated. Besides myself i think Hunter will be a very good pro as he gets stronger alot of the other guys are either too small or dont have enough power for the pro ranks.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 22 Nov 2006, 18:38

A lot was discussed about Isiah Thomas, but he performed poorly in the Under 19 tourney this year in the 178 pound division.

I believe Corbin was incarcerated so I don't think he will be boxing as a pro.

Karlof · Post by **Karlof** » 23 Nov 2006, 03:09

damien590 wrote:Nobody beats Eugene under the pro ranks & if ya'll were impressed with
prime Tyson...you'd definitely like this guy. Short, quick, athletic, &
powerful. Eugene is the truth! I just hope he doesn't waste his talent by
not turning pro.

Just saw that he's going to make his prodebut on friday.

K

davetko · Post by **davetko** » 23 Nov 2006, 10:32

Give me a 6ft5, 250lb linebacker in college, a few years of training, and he beats them all! Our heavies are very weak....the best of the lot are on college scholarships playing football or basketball.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 23 Nov 2006, 13:17

davetko wrote:Give me a 6ft5, 250lb linebacker in college, a few years of training, and he beats them all! Our heavies are very weak....the best of the lot are on college scholarships playing football or basketball.

It is not quite that easy. You would be surprised how many former college players try their hand at boxing and can't make the cut so to speak. I have also drooled at the thought of some of these muscular 290 pound defensive ends stepping into the ring. Do you remember Ed "too tall" Jones? How about William "the refrigerator" Perry? Mark Gastineau? The list goes on and on. Think about Tom Zbikowski. He is a star safety at Notre Dame. He supposedly ran a 10.5 100 yard dash, 4.35 40 yard dash, is 6'0", 210-215 pounds and is strong. He has boxed since he was 8 years old, had 90 amateur bouts and yet I don't think he would ever become heavyweight champ even if he gave up football.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 23 Nov 2006, 15:16

davetko wrote:Give me a 6ft5, 250lb linebacker in college, a few years of training, and he beats them all! Our heavies are very weak....the best of the lot are on college scholarships playing football or basketball.

Being a good boxer has shit all to do with size.
Being a good gridiron player means diddlysquat in terms of boxing ability.
Many a big guy has looked awesome walking into a boxing gym,only to fold when the real stuff gets going because he lacks that special toughness to become a boxer.

hurricanemitch14 · Post by **hurricanemitch14** » 14 Dec 2006, 19:58

afred johnnie white just got smoked in 1 12/9

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 15 Dec 2006, 01:11

hurricanemitch14 wrote:afred johnnie white just got smoked in 1 12/9

Did you see the bout? Maybe he just got caught with one good punch. The true test is if he can comeback from this loss and improve.

davetko · Post by **davetko** » 15 Dec 2006, 09:59

Guys lets use our brains here, really. What I am trying to say, is that our heavyweights are AWFUL. They are going on to other sports. I could easily take a real tough athletic giant and make him into a top 10 heavyweight in the amateurs, within 2 years.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 17 Dec 2006, 00:48

davetko wrote:Guys lets use our brains here, really. What I am trying to say, is that our heavyweights are AWFUL. They are going on to other sports. I could easily take a real tough athletic giant and make him into a top 10 heavyweight in the amateurs, within 2 years.

Go ahead and demonstrate your point. I think you will find that it is more difficult than you think. Many coaches have tried with limited success.

ctill · Post by **ctill** » 17 Dec 2006, 20:06

Karlof wrote:
damien590 wrote:Nobody beats Eugene under the pro ranks & if ya'll were impressed with
prime Tyson...you'd definitely like this guy. Short, quick, athletic, &
powerful. Eugene is the truth! I just hope he doesn't waste his talent by
not turning pro.
Just saw that he's going to make his prodebut on friday.

K

eugene is already 2-0 after 4 weeks as a pro

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 19 Dec 2006, 00:53

Said Chauncy -

It was a long time ago when me and Mike fought, once in '98, once at the semifinals at national in '99, and at the end of '99.

And I am assuming that you are THE Chauncy Welliver??? Say hi to Dewey for me.

Just curious at to what "nationals" you boxed Mike Wilson in the semis? I looked up the '99 U.S. Championships, JO Nationals and Golden Gloves and didn't see your name???

Chauncy · Post by **Chauncy** » 20 Dec 2006, 06:09

boxmel wrote:Said Chauncy -
It was a long time ago when me and Mike fought, once in '98, once at the semifinals at national in '99, and at the end of '99.
And I am assuming that you are THE Chauncy Welliver??? Say hi to Dewey for me.

Just curious at to what "nationals" you boxed Mike Wilson in the semis? I looked up the '99 U.S. Championships, JO Nationals and Golden Gloves and didn't see your name???

I boxed Mike at the '99 National Blue and Gold.
I will tell Dewey hello for you.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 20 Dec 2006, 06:30

Yep - think that was the first and last time I saw you. 8) Just wish Dewey hadn't turned pro.

The best to both of you in 2007.

Ashanti jordan · Post by **Ashanti jordan** » 20 Dec 2006, 15:30

BigTex wrote:I'd say Eugene....

I say not him it will be me Ashanti Jordan Eugene knows me because I broke his nose in the U.S championships this year and they cheated me out my win also.

emile · Post by **emile** » 20 Dec 2006, 16:07

All the US Super Heavies are showing up here... :)

Ashanti, I'll ask the ame question I asked Clarence. Out of the other American super heavies, who is your toughest opponent? Who is the most overrated? Not counting yourself, who will be the best pro?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 20 Dec 2006, 16:19

We Californian's do have to stick together - HOWEVER......

Do you REALLY think the judges got together and decided to rob you??? I don't know if you were in my ring or not, but I can tell by looking at the "accepted" computer scoring of 32-12 that you were not throwing enough punches that the judges could see clearly. Remember, 3 out of 5 must push the button for the same boxer within a one-second window. If you are staying in the middle of the ring and moving so all judges get a chance to see you, the "button pushing " will increase. And I do hope you are staying off the ropes and out of the corners - you will lose 2, and possibly 3, judges because they can't see your punches land. In digging through my aging memory, the only thing I can really recommend is that you do need to be faster and throw more.

I really hope I see you at either the Western Trials or the Box-offs next year; I won't be at the State Golden Gloves.

Ashanti jordan · Post by **Ashanti jordan** » 20 Dec 2006, 17:25

emile wrote:All the US Super Heavies are showing up here... :)

Ashanti, I'll ask the ame question I asked Clarence. Out of the other American super heavies, who is your toughest opponent? Who is the most overrated? Not counting yourself, who will be the best pro?

I think Mike Wilson is overrated. I beat him this year in the Tacoma Golden Gloves also beat Jonte Willis in the finals. I think Jonte is tougher than Mike. I never fought M. Hunter but I think his one of the best around right now so I will say he will be the toughest opponent.

Ashanti jordan · Post by **Ashanti jordan** » 21 Dec 2006, 03:16

boxmel wrote:We Californian's do have to stick together - HOWEVER...... Do you REALLY think the judges got together and decided to rob you??? I don't know if you were in my ring or not, but I can tell by looking at the "accepted" computer scoring of 32-12 that you were not throwing enough punches that the judges could see clearly. Remember, 3 out of 5 must push the button for the same boxer within a one-second window. If you are staying in the middle of the ring and moving so all judges get a chance to see you, the "button pushing " will increase. And I do hope you are staying off the ropes and out of the corners - you will lose 2, and possibly 3, judges because they can't see your punches land. In digging through my aging memory, the only thing I can really recommend is that you do need to be faster and throw more.

I really hope I see you at either the Western Trials or the Box-offs next year; I won't be at the State Golden Gloves.

Who are you talking bout losing 32-12 what fight are you talking bout and who?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 21 Dec 2006, 10:34

My bad, Ashanti - you lost to Eugene by 1 point (13-12). Guess I need new glasses. I apologize.

Still don't think you "got robbed." Just remember my other advice about boxing with the computer.

Ashanti jordan · Post by **Ashanti jordan** » 21 Dec 2006, 14:29

boxmel wrote:My bad, Ashanti - you lost to Eugene by 1 point (13-12). Guess I need new glasses. I apologize.

Still don't think you "got robbed." Just remember my other advice about boxing with the computer.

No problem. I understand what u saying bout the computer just throw more punches in bunches. He got the W no prob just no what to do next time.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 21 Dec 2006, 14:57

Whew! Since you're bigger than me, I'm glad I'm forgiven.

The heavier weights, with Wilson and Hunter being exceptions, tend to wait too long rather than taking every opportunity to throw a legal punch. Jason Estrada was (notice I said "was") a good example of a SHW with speed and good technique. You also want to throw enough punches in the first round so you aren't playing catch up for the next three. One of the very few people I've ever seen catch up in three rounds is Andre Berto but he could have been further ahead in points, and won, but wasn't busy enough in the beginning. Even though I don't like the waltzing and grabbing and hugging that AIBA seems to be favoring lately, it is still the goal of the amateur boxer to outpoint his or her opponent. I've seen enough of you, Ashanti, to know that you have the skills. Boxing is a constant learning process and always take your losses in that spirit - you'll only get better.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 21 Dec 2006, 15:18

Mel - you had some good advice for Ashanti. I agree with you about the AIBA officials permitting waltzing, grabbing and hugging. You forgot to mention the headlocks and holding & hitting they allow. This was all evident in the international bouts that I have witnessed.

Ashanti jordan · Post by **Ashanti jordan** » 21 Dec 2006, 15:48

Why you never were at the state gloves Mel. Thank you for the advice also.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 21 Dec 2006, 16:13

You forgot to mention the headlocks and holding & hitting they allow. This was all evident in the international bouts that I have witnessed

Dennis, think the above falls into my previous description of grappling, holding, grabbing.

To me, there was very little good, clean exciting BOXING at the 2004 Olympics. I hope it changes for 2008. Maybe Wu will actually do something, but I'm not holding my breath.

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