I heard they are done with USA BOXING. True?
I think the organization needs a major shakeup, but were they the group to do it. They certainly had the funds to help....not sure if this is good or bad, anyone?
A2P
I believe it is true. There is an article on East Side Boxing - "This King Bows Out, Blew $3 Million, Leaves USA Amateur Boxing In The Dump Where He Found It". It can be found at:
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=9219&more=1
I'm not sure that it is a bad thing. The bad thing is the fact that USA Boxing was counting on the money from A2P and not securing other revenue sources. I think King wanted to have too much control over the program, which would be a problem for many at the grass roots level. USA Boxing needs to secure some licensing agreements, TV, apparel, etc. Hopefully, they can get it done quickly.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=9219&more=1
I'm not sure that it is a bad thing. The bad thing is the fact that USA Boxing was counting on the money from A2P and not securing other revenue sources. I think King wanted to have too much control over the program, which would be a problem for many at the grass roots level. USA Boxing needs to secure some licensing agreements, TV, apparel, etc. Hopefully, they can get it done quickly.
It would be nice to see some business people enter USA boxing. The "old boy network" isn't working. King may have not been a right step, but we clearly need some sort of shakeup. Personally I would like to see some business, not boxing people running this organization. It really stinks that this is happening at such a crucial time!
Losing A2P is a blow to USA Boxing. They honestly cared about the sport and helping the boxers and rebuilding. All they asked for was the marketing rights so they could bring amateur boxing back to prominance. They didn't have any boxers "signed" and any monies were being given freely with no strings. USA Boxing hasn't had anyone actively fund raising for at least 15 years, so A2P was a windfall and NOT the reason that fundraising wasn't being done.
Yes, there are some "new" business people on the board who are mostly friends of the old board members...hmmm. I've heard there will be no funding for the women next year, too.
To me, it's a wait and see proposition. I don't think USAB has been fixed at all.
Yes, there are some "new" business people on the board who are mostly friends of the old board members...hmmm. I've heard there will be no funding for the women next year, too.
To me, it's a wait and see proposition. I don't think USAB has been fixed at all.
Somebody should be actively in charge of fundraising and get out there and get it done. They need to knock on doors and make something happen. Other sports can do it so it can be done.boxmel wrote:Losing A2P is a blow to USA Boxing. They honestly cared about the sport and helping the boxers and rebuilding. All they asked for was the marketing rights so they could bring amateur boxing back to prominance. They didn't have any boxers "signed" and any monies were being given freely with no strings. USA Boxing hasn't had anyone actively fund raising for at least 15 years, so A2P was a windfall and NOT the reason that fundraising wasn't being done.
Yes, there are some "new" business people on the board who are mostly friends of the old board members...hmmm. I've heard there will be no funding for the women next year, too.
To me, it's a wait and see proposition. I don't think USAB has been fixed at all.
Maybe we need to hire someone who worked for a charity and learned how to raise money. Another possibility would be an individual who worked for a charitable foundation that raises money and then also donates it. That type of individual would know how to increase our funding while also scrutinize the expenditures. Just some thoughts on the topic.
There is currently no information coming from USA Boxing. Yes, the snow storms have probably closed the office and the staff generally takes time off during the holidays. They need to make a statement about A2P pulling out (it will be negative if and when they do); we don't even know who the BOD chair is; I've heard Lamont Jones has re-applied (after he sued us and got around $60,000; there is nothing on the John Stavros "communication" page; there are no current rankings. At this point I think I'd rather see the USOC step in totally with new, non-USA Boxing people.
outlook
From what I have seen in the past few years, the outlook is not healthy for amateur boxing.
This A2P needs to get more specific information out to every member when then sign up this month and pay the big registration bucks $$$ for ????
This A2P needs to get more specific information out to every member when then sign up this month and pay the big registration bucks $$$ for ????
Re: outlook
Who is paying big bucks? Are you implying that A2P is going to be paying money they promised? Are you referring to the registration money that boxers and non-athletes pay each year?
Re: Kids
They can sign up between September 1st and December 31st and pay half the registration fee. If they want to box, they should be training for at least a few months and the registration fee isn't that much money. Most other sports charge more.
Re: GOLDEN GLOVES
$35.00 per year is not that much. Many other sports require a lot more. The registration fee is not the big cost. The big costs are the travel expenses.
Dennis, the CS staff does not do this kind of task. The rankings have traditionally been put together by a ranking committee made up of volunteer members (i.e., coaches).If the people we have working for us in Colorado Springs can't figure it out, then USA Boxing has more problems than any of us imagined! LOL.
16 yr. old golden glovers and other High School age kids paying for what only might be a first and last fight. There should be different fees for novice and open boxers
Stan - USA Boxing sets the membership fees based on membership costs, mainly insurance. The LBCs may add an amount to that base so they receive some extra monies rather than sending all the sanction and membership fees to Colorado Springs.
I don't see any reason why novice and open boxers shouldn't pay the same amount. How do you tell the difference between a boxer who can enter an advancing tournament with a minimum of 5 scored bouts (making him or her automatically open) and a boxer who is technically considered novice until his or her 11th bout? Massive paperwork. Ugh.
Some boxers register, regardless of age, and only box once. So you register your boxer for one event - and he or she likes it and wants to continue. If you have never done registration before in an LBC, I can guarantee this type of fee structure would cause the poor registration chair to melt down quickly.
Are you saying you would put your boxer in a tournament in his or her first competition, never having prior experience?and or maybe a single tournament fee???
You can always submit a proposal to the USA Boxing Board of Directors to change the fees, but it just might mean our athletes and clubs don't have any insurance coverage.
fair
Just looking for a more fair way to do it
That's like a part time worker paying the same union dues as the full time worker
I can see where it is difficult but how about a tournament fee?
And yes, many young people sign up for the golden gloves and fight once and never again.
The Gov. here in Illinois boxed in the golden gloves tournament ( when he was about 16 or 17 yrs. old ) and was done, AFAIK
He might not have been able to get that one experience if he din't have two nickels to rub together
That's like a part time worker paying the same union dues as the full time worker
I can see where it is difficult but how about a tournament fee?
And yes, many young people sign up for the golden gloves and fight once and never again.
The Gov. here in Illinois boxed in the golden gloves tournament ( when he was about 16 or 17 yrs. old ) and was done, AFAIK
He might not have been able to get that one experience if he din't have two nickels to rub together
"Putting two nickles together" isn't that much of a problem any more for most boxers - might be costly to the coaches if they are putting up the monies for registration fees.
A "tournament fee" does not preclude a boxer from registering with USA Boxing and paying the membership fee. That still has to be done regardless. That membership fee does not end until December 31 of the year the boxer was registered.
Considering the membership and equipment and tournament fees paid by participants in other sports, boxing is, by far, the cheapest.
A "tournament fee" does not preclude a boxer from registering with USA Boxing and paying the membership fee. That still has to be done regardless. That membership fee does not end until December 31 of the year the boxer was registered.
Considering the membership and equipment and tournament fees paid by participants in other sports, boxing is, by far, the cheapest.
I agree with you Mel, until you start having to travel across the country for competitions/tournaments.boxmel wrote:"Putting two nickles together" isn't that much of a problem any more for most boxers - might be costly to the coaches if they are putting up the monies for registration fees.
A "tournament fee" does not preclude a boxer from registering with USA Boxing and paying the membership fee. That still has to be done regardless. That membership fee does not end until December 31 of the year the boxer was registered.
Considering the membership and equipment and tournament fees paid by participants in other sports, boxing is, by far, the cheapest.