Witter: Time is running out on Hatton

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 11 Jan 2007, 21:09

As some people seem to have insinuated - I think its a bad move for Witter than this fight in on Sky Box Office. Less people will view it than those with Sky Sports!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 11 Jan 2007, 21:46

stujones wrote:I don't think anyone could be impressed with Witter vs Corely - Yes, he won big - but it stank and he beat a guy with as much ambition as Peter Buckley (sorry, Peter).

If you were impressed with the 2-3 punches that Witter landed clean per round, then your very easily impressed. Yes, I cannot remember Corley landing anything clean, but I cannot remember him throwing anything also.

Witter has been dissapointed and shown flaws in his last 4 fights.... Although for the first 4/5 rounds vs Ndou he looked like the second best Light Welter on the planet (behind Mayweather).

Trust me, I am not easily Impressed.

One fight cannot judge that.

He didn't go for the WBU like Hatton just so he could pay the bills and didn't buy his Lonsdale belt and had to become mandatory to get a world title.

Hatton wouldn't be Intimidated to wait for what Witter will do next like Corley and he won't wait for Witter to tire like Kotelnik, but his flaws aren't as bad as Hatton's.

His style Isn't too reliant on conditioning like Hatton eiter.

I liked the way he made Corley look crap, yet Corley was able to wobble Mayweather briefly and hurt Cotto(People thought that stoppage was controversial.)

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 11 Jan 2007, 21:47

stujones wrote:As some people seem to have insinuated - I think its a bad move for Witter than this fight in on Sky Box Office. Less people will view it than those with Sky Sports!

It's a bad move for any boxer to fight on Sky Box Office, PPV doesn't draw much, while worse fights have drawn 8 million on ITV.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 12 Jan 2007, 04:55

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Lets turn your point on its head - Witter is far better than Collazo and Maggee and they both gave Hatton nightmares.

Witter never wanted a slice of Magee despite it being put on offer, so if he is so much better he could have proved it. As for Collazo, we dont know for sure how good Collazo is, so im not going to agree with you on that one yet.

Why do Hatton fans talk about Hatton stopping the best fighters in the world? Whos he stopped thats any good? And Tyszu wasn't stopped he quit. Did he stop Collazo? Phillips? Magee? Tackie? Thaxton? Vilches? NOPE to all. Maussa and Stewart who were both jokes and Olivera who was shot were stopped. Hatton is world class and capable (although I'd bet against it) of beating Mayweather and Witter but lets not pretend hes knocking everyone out.

I agree, he doesnt possess knock out power - I never said he did, but likewise when was the last time Witter stopped someone of world class ability?

Oh and Witter didnt train for Lynes - it wasnt a serious fight for him, he'd be far better prepared against Hatton

Diabolical excuse, and I dont buy that line for one second, but Witter fans will buy it. Hatton gets a lot of stick for his conditioning but one thing he doesnt do, is come into a ring unprepared.

The bottom line is every time you level somthing negative at Hatton, the same negativity can be leveled back at Witter, and in higher doses.

ALI · Post by **ALI** » 12 Jan 2007, 06:19

Hatton is under a HBO contract, they have there plans marked out for him. Together there aim is clear, to make Hatton a big name in the States. In order to do that Hatton must be in exciting fights. I've never seen Urango box but apperently his come forward style should make for a head on collision with Hatton = exciting brawl + IBF title for Hatton should he win. Castillo is on the undercard = Castillo challenges Hatton for next for his IBF title.... its a mega fight in the making.

Witter may have the WBC belt, but he is a complete unkown in the states and with a minute following in the UK. His last three fights have been absolute stinkers. Its no wonder Hatton or HBO are not interested in him.

But, for those out there that want it, there has to be hope that if Witter can hang onto his WBC belt long enough (which he will if he continues fighting stiffs!) that Hatton will eventually want for his belt (we all know he has a weak spot for the titles!). But, for me this fight is not important right now, i want to see Hatton in with the like's of Castillo & Mayweather. Until Witter beats a TOP tier name, and looks exciting doing so, i wont really care much for this fight!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 12 Jan 2007, 08:19

The way most aren't complaining about Hatton not fighting Witter because he isn't a huge name but complain when Calzaghe doesn't fight Kessler who isn't a big name himself.

Some double standards In most boxing fans.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Jan 2007, 11:05

Twinkle Toes wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Lets turn your point on its head - Witter is far better than Collazo and Maggee and they both gave Hatton nightmares.
Witter never wanted a slice of Magee despite it being put on offer, so if he is so much better he could have proved it. As for Collazo, we dont know for sure how good Collazo is, so im not going to agree with you on that one yet.

Why do Hatton fans talk about Hatton stopping the best fighters in the world? Whos he stopped thats any good? And Tyszu wasn't stopped he quit. Did he stop Collazo? Phillips? Magee? Tackie? Thaxton? Vilches? NOPE to all. Maussa and Stewart who were both jokes and Olivera who was shot were stopped. Hatton is world class and capable (although I'd bet against it) of beating Mayweather and Witter but lets not pretend hes knocking everyone out.
I agree, he doesnt possess knock out power - I never said he did, but likewise when was the last time Witter stopped someone of world class ability?

Oh and Witter didnt train for Lynes - it wasnt a serious fight for him, he'd be far better prepared against Hatton
Diabolical excuse, and I dont buy that line for one second, but Witter fans will buy it. Hatton gets a lot of stick for his conditioning but one thing he doesnt do, is come into a ring unprepared.

The bottom line is every time you level somthing negative at Hatton, the same negativity can be leveled back at Witter, and in higher doses.

Saying Witter never wanted a slice of Magee is deceptive, hes fought better fighters than Magee before and since - you have to ask if Witter was offered very little for the fight and promised nothing if he won.

I was refering Hattons power to those who said he would easily stop Witter in 6-8 - which is ridicolous.

Witter has put in far better performance against Corley and Ndou than he did against the lesser Kotelnik and Lynes. This has to be put down to motivation.

Yes you can critisise Witter with the same critiscisms as I give to Hatton. BUT most on this forum herald Hatton far above Witter, I disagree and I think Witter beats him.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Jan 2007, 11:12

Max Molyneux wrote:The way most aren't complaining about Hatton not fighting Witter because he isn't a huge name but complain when Calzaghe doesn't fight Kessler who isn't a big name himself.

Some double standards In most boxing fans.

Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu though, that's why people don't really give him a hard time.

If Calzaghe had beaten someone of that stature in the sport, nobody would be giving him a hard time either.

Ricky beat the guy regarded as THE MAN at the weight to win his title, something Calzaghe has never done.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 12 Jan 2007, 11:18

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:The way most aren't complaining about Hatton not fighting Witter because he isn't a huge name but complain when Calzaghe doesn't fight Kessler who isn't a big name himself.

Some double standards In most boxing fans.
Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu though, that's why people don't really give him a hard time.

If Calzaghe had beaten someone of that stature in the sport, nobody would be giving him a hard time either.

Ricky beat the guy regarded as THE MAN at the weight to win his title, something Calzaghe has never done.

Still double standards when It comes to being a big or small name.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 12 Jan 2007, 11:25

Apparently Castillo's fight is an elim for Witters belt,

so Hatton - Castillo could happen, eventually,

or Hatton-Witter, if (BIG IF) witter sees off castillo, he will have much more clout globally (2 defences plus arguably one of the biggest names in boxing under his belt)

Like I say, big if, but if while Castillo fights Witter, Hatton grabs another belt, (M'baye or Torres if they are still around?), all of a sudden the the Hatton-Witter fight could be for 3 of the big 4 belts, and as such a major international occasion.

Pie in the sky I know, but surely once in a while we can dream.....
(Enzo-Haye on the undercard,and Khan vs Joel Casamayor lol, he wants a title shot, lets see him get fouled to feath lol)

states · Post by **states** » 12 Jan 2007, 11:31

The fact that Castillio's fight is a WBC eliminator is irrelevant, because he's going to be fighting Hatton next, providing they both win.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 12 Jan 2007, 11:33

says who? doesnt Witter have a certain amount of time to fight the winner of the eliminator?

i reckon Hattonand Castillos ppl might just back off to let castillo try for the belt, there will be much more money init for all concerned wont there?

I could be wrong.... but that seems like the added value option

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 12 Jan 2007, 11:34

Hatton is definitely fighting Castillo next if they both win, alread arranged with HBO.

states · Post by **states** » 12 Jan 2007, 11:35

Apparently it's all signed and sealed.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 12 Jan 2007, 11:35

fair enough

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 12 Jan 2007, 12:20

M1Kee, Harris v Lazcano is also a WBC eliminator and that's probably who Witter will fight next

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Jan 2007, 15:01

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:The way most aren't complaining about Hatton not fighting Witter because he isn't a huge name but complain when Calzaghe doesn't fight Kessler who isn't a big name himself.

Some double standards In most boxing fans.
Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu though, that's why people don't really give him a hard time.

If Calzaghe had beaten someone of that stature in the sport, nobody would be giving him a hard time either.

Ricky beat the guy regarded as THE MAN at the weight to win his title, something Calzaghe has never done.

Partly because there has never been a MAN at 168 where Calazage fought though. Jones was leaving that division when Calazage entered it.

Calazage only unified once but hes cleared out countless top10 fighters, YES TOP 10 FIGHTERs. You could make the case Hattons only ever fought 2 top10 fighters (Collazo and Tyszu). Calazage has fought most of the good fighters at his weight with a few exceptions where fights were troublesome to make. Hatton has blatantly avoided many top10 fighters (Collazo 2, Witter, Mayweather, Corley, Judah, Cotto and then theres Harris, Mitchell - where its 50-50 to whos fault it was)

Calazage got stick for Bika but Bika got a draw with Beyer, he was far better P4P than either Urango or Maussa.

If Calazage was English and Hatton Welsh I think the criticism would be reversed.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 12 Jan 2007, 15:11

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:The way most aren't complaining about Hatton not fighting Witter because he isn't a huge name but complain when Calzaghe doesn't fight Kessler who isn't a big name himself.

Some double standards In most boxing fans.
Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu though, that's why people don't really give him a hard time.

If Calzaghe had beaten someone of that stature in the sport, nobody would be giving him a hard time either.

Ricky beat the guy regarded as THE MAN at the weight to win his title, something Calzaghe has never done.
Partly because there has never been a MAN at 168 where Calazage fought though. Jones was leaving that division when Calazage entered it.

Calazage only unified once but hes cleared out countless top10 fighters, YES TOP 10 FIGHTERs. You could make the case Hattons only ever fought 2 top10 fighters (Collazo and Tyszu). Calazage has fought most of the good fighters at his weight with a few exceptions where fights were troublesome to make. Hatton has blatantly avoided many top10 fighters (Collazo 2, Witter, Mayweather, Corley, Judah, Cotto and then theres Harris, Mitchell - where its 50-50 to whos fault it was)

Calazage got stick for Bika but Bika got a draw with Beyer, he was far better P4P than either Urango or Maussa.

If Calazage was English and Hatton Welsh I think the criticism would be reversed.

Hardly a real draw, a 4 round technical draw!! Bika is better than Maussa? How many world titles has Bika won? Can't see how Bika is better.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 12 Jan 2007, 15:16

Lenny Albert wrote:M1Kee, Harris v Lazcano is also a WBC eliminator and that's probably who Witter will fight next

kk, did not realise that. i reckon thats a win for vivian myself

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Jan 2007, 16:03

nickd wrote:
Hardly a real draw, a 4 round technical draw!! Bika is better than Maussa? How many world titles has Bika won? Can't see how Bika is better.

Yes boxings all about titles, I'm sure you have Maussa higher than Sam Langford on your all time P4P list. Maussa is 1 of the worst champions P4P in recent history (if nto ever), the man could not even land 2 punches on a speedball - theres footage of him attempting and failing. Maussa is 1 of the worst champions P4P in recent history (if not ever). He makes Baldomir look like Sugar Ray Robinson in comparison.

How high do you rate Witters next opponent Morua? As he beat Maussa handilly. Lets not forgot maussa just lost again to another lowly journeyman.

On the other hand Bika looked like he'd beat Beyer in those 4 rounds.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Jan 2007, 16:09

m1kee50 wrote:
Lenny Albert wrote:M1Kee, Harris v Lazcano is also a WBC eliminator and that's probably who Witter will fight next
kk, did not realise that. i reckon thats a win for vivian myself

Pretty exciting fights Harris=Lazcanno and then probably Harris-Witter. harris-Witter could be a corker and would be a match up of P4P proportions. I actually think this is a hotter contest than Hatton-Castillo

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 12 Jan 2007, 16:43

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
nickd wrote:
Hardly a real draw, a 4 round technical draw!! Bika is better than Maussa? How many world titles has Bika won? Can't see how Bika is better.
Yes boxings all about titles, I'm sure you have Maussa higher than Sam Langford on your all time P4P list. Maussa is 1 of the worst champions P4P in recent history (if nto ever), the man could not even land 2 punches on a speedball - theres footage of him attempting and failing. Maussa is 1 of the worst champions P4P in recent history (if not ever). He makes Baldomir look like Sugar Ray Robinson in comparison.

How high do you rate Witters next opponent Morua? As he beat Maussa handilly. Lets not forgot maussa just lost again to another lowly journeyman.

On the other hand Bika looked like he'd beat Beyer in those 4 rounds.

My point is I dont think Bika is any better than Maussa. You obviously have an axe to grind with Hatton so you obviously will say he is.... Bika will never win a world title how about that? And if he did he'd be P4P one of the worst champions.

ALI · Post by **ALI** » 15 Jan 2007, 07:19

Lenny Albert wrote:M1Kee, Harris v Lazcano is also a WBC eliminator and that's probably who Witter will fight next

.......... unless he can wriggle his way out of it! I'm not at all convinced Witter is prepared to fight the best (other than Hatton!). He's only ever fought one real live oponent in his entire career and we all remember what happened there.

If forced to fight, he'll probably vacate