MMA - Page 7

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 21 Nov 2006, 14:49

Syvlia was just as tentative against Arlovski in their 3rd match. I think he'll get a word in his ear from White before his next fight, which should be a defence against Vera at UFC 68.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 21 Nov 2006, 21:22

nickd wrote:Vera is getting the big buildup, apparently he'll get a crack at Sylvia at UFC 68. Vera is too well rounded for Sylvia IMO and will beat the sasquatch.

The knock on Vera is his lack of natural size - 'the truth' is that he could make light heavy if he really pushed it.

Saying that, his kickboxing and jiu jitsu are both tight and I hope he can take out sylvia and bring back some excitement to the heavies.

GSP was just phenominal and he is the epitime of a mixed martial artist. He isnt a wrestler/kickboxer/jiu jitsu guy who has cross trained but a completely rounded MMA'er. In the future all top fighters will have his skill set.

I look forward to a rematch between him and my long time fave BJ Penn.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 Nov 2006, 05:47

TerribleTerry wrote:
nickd wrote:Vera is getting the big buildup, apparently he'll get a crack at Sylvia at UFC 68. Vera is too well rounded for Sylvia IMO and will beat the sasquatch.
The knock on Vera is his lack of natural size - 'the truth' is that he could make light heavy if he really pushed it.

Saying that, his kickboxing and jiu jitsu are both tight and I hope he can take out sylvia and bring back some excitement to the heavies.

GSP was just phenominal and he is the epitime of a mixed martial artist. He isnt a wrestler/kickboxer/jiu jitsu guy who has cross trained but a completely rounded MMA'er. In the future all top fighters will have his skill set.

I look forward to a rematch between him and my long time fave BJ Penn.

Not sure what is going on with Penn, they announced at the Ultimate Fighter 4 finale that he was returning to the 155lbs division. But have read some stuff since that he is still after the 170lbs title so whether he wins the 155 as leverage for a title shot at 170 I don't know.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 22 Nov 2006, 06:24

nickd wrote: Not sure what is going on with Penn, they announced at the Ultimate Fighter 4 finale that he was returning to the 155lbs division. But have read some stuff since that he is still after the 170lbs title so whether he wins the 155 as leverage for a title shot at 170 I don't know.

Dunno if Penn could make 155 with his seeming lack of dedication to cardio work but if he could safely he would absolutely tool Sean Sherk, whose power would count for little against BJ's striking and supreme BJJ.

For my money he gave GSP a hard enough time to make a rematch soon more then acceptable. At least I hope so!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 Nov 2006, 06:27

TerribleTerry wrote:
nickd wrote: Not sure what is going on with Penn, they announced at the Ultimate Fighter 4 finale that he was returning to the 155lbs division. But have read some stuff since that he is still after the 170lbs title so whether he wins the 155 as leverage for a title shot at 170 I don't know.
Dunno if Penn could make 155 with his seeming lack of dedication to cardio work but if he could safely he would absolutely tool Sean Sherk, whose power would count for little against BJ's striking and supreme BJJ.

For my money he gave GSP a hard enough time to make a rematch soon more then acceptable. At least I hope so!

Penn weighed 165 for his rematch with Matt Hughes and he had plenty of spare flesh around the middle. He could easily cut down to 155 with very little work.

GSP cut 15lbs of weight in a day to make 170 at the weekend.

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 22 Nov 2006, 06:56

I have not read through all posts here so apologies if I am going over points already made by other people.

1) I used to watch MMA a good few years ago, before it hit British screens in the early UFC days. It was exciting because it was something new, there were a lot of big characters, and the best fighters would fight against each other.

2) I was never really into the wrestling on the ground parts of it but I did think it was sickening compared to boxing in how it regularly occurs where one fighter is somehow trapped (arms or legs) and unable to defend himself against punches, elbows etc. until the referee jumps in and stops the fight.

3) I think fat sluggers like Tank Abbot have more a chance of success in MMA than in boxing. I also think the skill level in boxing is much higher than it is in MMA. Abbot was a star in MMA, yet he was probably in reality on a par with Butterbean IMO.

4) Expanding on the above, I think a lot of these guys are highly skilled in what they do, but because of the wide rules, they don't always get to use them. When you see a kickboxer rolling around the ground with a wrestler, he's not showing off his skills. There are so much more offensive, defensive & countering skills to learn in MMA that no fighter can excel in them all and I think this reduces the quality of what you see.

5) There is a high luck element. The way a guy falls on the ground or how one fighter trips another can completely turn the fight around. I think in boxing the better fighter wins more often than in MMA. Having this luck element may make the fights more competitive, but I think concentrating on one form of fighting makes for a much higher standard.

6) I don't think boxing fans in general will switch to MMA. They are very different sports, completely different IMO. I watch boxing because of what it is, and not because I want to watch two guys rolling around on the ground until one submits.

Have not been able to describe these as well as I'd have liked to, but hopefully you see some of my points.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 22 Nov 2006, 07:19

nickd wrote:
Penn weighed 165 for his rematch with Matt Hughes and he had plenty of spare flesh around the middle. He could easily cut down to 155 with very little work.

GSP cut 15lbs of weight in a day to make 170 at the weekend.

Granted BJ has the frame and excess weight to safely make 155 but does he want to/can he be bothered is my thought?

Have you seen him against Macheda at over 200lbs? He is Hawaiian and as far as I can tell likes to eat pizza, smoke a blunt and have a roll (that might be being a bit unfair on him, but he is no toned former wrestler with a weight cutting mentality ie Sean Sherk or Tito Ortiz & GSP to a certain extent – he looks huge for 170 and is always in top nick).

The fact is that his skill level means he doesn’t have to compete at his lowest body weight possible – he can hang with anyone in the world up to 185 in my eyes.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 Nov 2006, 07:32

TerribleTerry wrote:
nickd wrote:
Penn weighed 165 for his rematch with Matt Hughes and he had plenty of spare flesh around the middle. He could easily cut down to 155 with very little work.

GSP cut 15lbs of weight in a day to make 170 at the weekend.

Granted BJ has the frame and excess weight to safely make 155 but does he want to/can he be bothered is my thought?

Have you seen him against Macheda at over 200lbs? He is Hawaiian and as far as I can tell likes to eat pizza, smoke a blunt and have a roll (that might be being a bit unfair on him, but he is no toned former wrestler with a weight cutting mentality ie Sean Sherk or Tito Ortiz & GSP to a certain extent – he looks huge for 170 and is always in top nick).

The fact is that his skill level means he doesn’t have to compete at his lowest body weight possible – he can hang with anyone in the world up to 185 in my eyes.

True but he's pretty far away from a title shot at 170. Serra is up next then Sanchez, Parisyan and a Hughes rematch are on the cards for GSP. Penn will get a much faster title shot at 155, in fact he could probably get a straight crack at Sherk.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 22 Nov 2006, 07:46

nickd wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:
nickd wrote:
Penn weighed 165 for his rematch with Matt Hughes and he had plenty of spare flesh around the middle. He could easily cut down to 155 with very little work.

GSP cut 15lbs of weight in a day to make 170 at the weekend.

Granted BJ has the frame and excess weight to safely make 155 but does he want to/can he be bothered is my thought?

Have you seen him against Macheda at over 200lbs? He is Hawaiian and as far as I can tell likes to eat pizza, smoke a blunt and have a roll (that might be being a bit unfair on him, but he is no toned former wrestler with a weight cutting mentality ie Sean Sherk or Tito Ortiz & GSP to a certain extent – he looks huge for 170 and is always in top nick).

The fact is that his skill level means he doesn’t have to compete at his lowest body weight possible – he can hang with anyone in the world up to 185 in my eyes.
True but he's pretty far away from a title shot at 170. Serra is up next then Sanchez, Parisyan and a Hughes rematch are on the cards for GSP. Penn will get a much faster title shot at 155, in fact he could probably get a straight crack at Sherk.

You arr right 170 is STACKED! Some great match ups right there..

A few months on slim fast and away from the pizza shack might just be what the Helio boy needs!

Cant wait to see GSP against Sanchez, Parisyan or Hughes.

Serra shud be at 155 - he will get humbled badly by GSP - its a massace waiting to happen.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 Nov 2006, 13:04

TerribleTerry wrote:
nickd wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:
Granted BJ has the frame and excess weight to safely make 155 but does he want to/can he be bothered is my thought?

Have you seen him against Macheda at over 200lbs? He is Hawaiian and as far as I can tell likes to eat pizza, smoke a blunt and have a roll (that might be being a bit unfair on him, but he is no toned former wrestler with a weight cutting mentality ie Sean Sherk or Tito Ortiz & GSP to a certain extent – he looks huge for 170 and is always in top nick).

The fact is that his skill level means he doesn’t have to compete at his lowest body weight possible – he can hang with anyone in the world up to 185 in my eyes.
True but he's pretty far away from a title shot at 170. Serra is up next then Sanchez, Parisyan and a Hughes rematch are on the cards for GSP. Penn will get a much faster title shot at 155, in fact he could probably get a straight crack at Sherk.
You arr right 170 is STACKED! Some great match ups right there..

A few months on slim fast and away from the pizza shack might just be what the Helio boy needs!

Cant wait to see GSP against Sanchez, Parisyan or Hughes.

Serra shud be at 155 - he will get humbled badly by GSP - its a massace waiting to happen.

Penn could probably cut down to 155 without losing too much weight from what he has been fighting at. Cutting 10lbs on top of his training could be done in a day before the weigh in. But he could train it off too. If he was serious about his training and cardio he'd be near unbeatable at 155 & 170.

para74 · Post by **para74** » 29 Nov 2006, 16:33

i have beento loads of mma shows and have been training mma for 5 years now. it is still in the early stages in the uk but as people have said with the ufc and cage rage getting bigger i for one will see it overtaking boxing.

para74 · Post by **para74** » 29 Nov 2006, 18:24

read the other posts now good to see some other mma fans on here.
http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/sear ... gp-ow-2006
here is a link for the non mma people to see that its not all fat guys with no stricking

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 29 Dec 2006, 16:54

The UFC have finally secured the signature of Mirko Cro Cop.

He will be at the Tito vs Chuck fight tomorrow and his first fight is against Eddie Sanchez on a UFC card on the third of febuary.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 13 Jan 2007, 19:00

So it's Tim Sylvia vs Randy Couture at UFC 68.

This has got to be a bad match although I'm sure Couture has some kind of cunning plan to get Sylvia to the ground. Wasn't Vera available?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 13 Jan 2007, 19:20

Vera only has 1 fight to go on his UFC deal and they cant agree on an extension right now. They wont allow a fighter a title shot unless they are signed for more than 1 fight so they dont up and leave when they win the belt as has happened in the past i.e. BJ Penn.

states · Post by **states** » 13 Jan 2007, 19:25

What's the deal with this Fedor fella? I know nothing about MMA, but I've heard him talked about over the years as some absolute monster. He competes in Pride, yes? Is he as hard as I've read? Harder than the UFC heavyweights?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 13 Jan 2007, 20:18

Kevin Randleman slammed him down on the back of his neck which would have knocked anyone out but he was fine. The man is a beast. Great standup, great submissions in particular armbars and vicious ground 'n pound.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 13 Jan 2007, 20:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umaj-A8uDJE

states · Post by **states** » 13 Jan 2007, 20:29

Hang on, he won after that? Or did he? That looks like it should paralyse someone. So the bloke's the bollocks then? I only ask because I've heard him talked about as nigh-on unbeatable. Would he beat that Sylvia geezer in the UFC? I'm just curious because I know fornicate all about MMA, in all its forms. I'm probably sounding like an amateur here (which I am) and it's common knowledge that this Russian geezer would hammer anyone. Is he basically your p4p number 1 then, when it come s to MMA?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 13 Jan 2007, 20:30

He submitted him a short time later with a kimura. The whole fight is 1 minute 30 or so check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EASpS0zGCLU

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 13 Jan 2007, 20:32

He'd definitely beat Tim Sylvia. He just had a pretty tough fight against Mark Hunt on New Years Eve but won by an armbar submission. Hunt who showed a much improved ground game almost had Fedor in a couple of submissions but he worked his way out of them.

I wouldn't say he was unbeatable but the only fight he has ever lost was due to a cut caused by an illegal blow - should have been a no contest really.

states · Post by **states** » 13 Jan 2007, 20:41

Cheers for the link Nick. I only mentioned Sylvia because I've seen him on Bravo a few times, and I've heard him announced as the heavyweight champ. I don't watch much/know much about MMA. Fedor is quite clearly a hard bastard though, I'll give him that.

You got any more links? Is he a submission specialist or what? What's his background?

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 13 Jan 2007, 21:51

Fedor is a phenom but history has taught us that pretty much no one is unbeatable.....

Tyson looked unbeatable, Foreman looked unbeatable....

Fedor is fantastic fighter but someone will beat him eventually, thats the nature of the sport...

Fujita came remarkably close a few years ago but credit to Fedor he gutted it out and stopped his man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiDdDkJxPw8 (go to 3minutes 35)

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 13 Jan 2007, 21:53

states wrote:Cheers for the link Nick. I only mentioned Sylvia because I've seen him on Bravo a few times, and I've heard him announced as the heavyweight champ. I don't watch much/know much about MMA. Fedor is quite clearly a hard bastard though, I'll give him that.

You got any more links? Is he a submission specialist or what? What's his background?

Fedor has a sambo background, he is blessed with great strength and balance he also has very quick hands.... he looks like crap though before the fight starts though

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 13 Jan 2007, 22:25

states wrote:Cheers for the link Nick. I only mentioned Sylvia because I've seen him on Bravo a few times, and I've heard him announced as the heavyweight champ. I don't watch much/know much about MMA. Fedor is quite clearly a hard bastard though, I'll give him that.

You got any more links? Is he a submission specialist or what? What's his background?

Have a browse through that.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... rch=Search

His latest fight against Mark Hunt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvKqgj4lfuA